Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
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to One Who Is Many.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Emerald: If that's the case, I'll make my yes a bit stronger.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
One to the Many
Yes to One Who Is Many, Niwe, Philanthropist and Afton
No to Lubdan and Leprechaun.
I have been taking a vacation from this thread for the last couple of weeks, but I might be back here and there and I think I have an interesting character to discuss.
What is the work?
Cops was a late 80s animated show created by Hasbro to promote their cops and robbers toy line. Set in the far-off year of 2020, Cops was about a cop named Bulletproof and his squad of cops fighting Big Boss, a kingpin like figure, and his gang of crooks for control over Empire City, neither Big Boss nor his crooks count, but there is a one-shot bad guy worth looking at:
Who is Addictem? What has he done?
Addictem is a drug lord from the episode, The Lowest Crime, where he is supplying Empire City with a new drug called Crystal Twyst. This drug turns people into Crystal Twyst heads where they become zombies obsessed with their next fix. Addictem attempts to sell Crystal Twyst to Buttons Mc Boom Boom, one of Big Boss's goons, who instead takes him to see the Big Boss. Addictem attempts to convince Big Boss to help him flood Empire City with Crystal Twyst, but Big Boss refuses, saying that drugs kill people and has Addictem thrown out.
Bulletproof notes that there are 200 new Crystal Twyst addicts within this week alone. Addictem is waiting for his new shipment of Crystal Twyst to arrive by sea and sees Big Boss's nephew, an idiot criminal named Berserko, attempting to steal a shipment of Mayan gold from the docks. Berserko accidentally falls into the box of Crystal Twyst and almost dies of an OD. Big Boss's men take Berserko to the hospital, where they manage to save his life, but several Crystal Twyst addicts are in the hospital, on life support. Big Boss then declares he will take down Addictem, no matter the cost, and teams up with the Cops to get revenge.
Addictem is not deterred and refuses to sell a Crystal Twyst to an addict who cannot pay, said addict breaks into a jewelry store and confuses the jewelry with Crystal Twyst, and attempts to use the jewelry to get high. The addict gets arrested by a cop named Longarm, who states he was once a man, but now he is a mess.
Addictem attempts to sell Crystal Twyst to two pre-teen girls, who report him to the cops. Addictem makes a break for it and ends up at a hospital. Addictem attempts to take a nurse as a hostage but is attacked by recovered Berserko, who wants to beat him senseless. The cops arrest Addictem and he is sentenced to life in prison (likely the heaviest sentence in the series). It is noted by the end of the episode that several of the addicts are hospitalized or in mental institutions, so not everyone made a full recovery.
Is he heinous by the standards of the work?
Usually Big Boss and his goons engage in typical criminality: theft, counterfeiting, racketeering, etc, there are some times Big Boss and his goons go beyond that. There is one episode where Big Boss and his Mad Scientist, Dr. Badvibes threaten Empire City with an earthquake machine for a huge ransom, with Badvibes wanting to use the machine regardless whether Empire City pays or not. However, these more destructive crimes are the exception rather than the rule.
Addictem has far less resources than Big Boss and his goons, he has two goons and a bunch of drugs and that's it. Regardless, he created 200 addicts in a week, there is a danger they could OD and not all the addicts make a full recovery. He also tried to sell drugs to actual children.
Any Freudian Excuse or other redeeming qualities?
His name is Addictem and he is an anti-drug PSA episode, that's a no.
Final verdict?
He may count, if you think he is heinous enough.
Edited by Overlord on Oct 21st 2023 at 6:10:08 AM
Absolute Rainbow & the tales between worlds
A slight yes.
Absolute Rainbow
Classy, Refined, Unstable
I'll get to catching up later (also thanks for the birthday wishes guys)
@ACW Writeup looks good. My only suggestion is maybe swap the beginning to be more like:
Ocelot is a global arms dealer, the criminal identity of Marsh and a sociopath out to cause WW3 for the petty goal of profits.
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
One who is many.
Also, just finished Marvel's Spider Man 2. Amazing game, and a honest contender for game of the year. PM me for details about any potential keepers.
Your friendly neighborhood stank goblin
Eh....think I'm gonna ![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_down_emote.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Addictem. It's a little hard to judge villains from cartoons (especially ones from deliciously cheesy 80s/90s era) so sometimes one villain can count simply because of the tone or the severity of their nature. I'm not getting that here though. I actually watched this episode and while Addictem definitely is trying to flood the streets with drugs, at the same time...he just comes across as some corner boy in an alley selling crack. He's definitely more deplorable in terms of some of the other villains in this show (maybe?) but he really doesn't push as far as he can go. Yeah he tries to sell drugs to some preteens (teenagers?), but they just say no and walk away. And that's about it really. Yeah, Berserko almost ODs on a shipment of the drugs, but Addictem had no control over that; it was just an accident that was kinda Berserko's fault—an accident that happened while Berserko was in the process of stealing gold.
I dunno; I'm not getting CM vibes from this guy as opposed to him just being a villain no one likes because of his occupation. Especially when the series is rampant with other common crimes like theft, counterfeiting, racketeering, etc. But that's just me.
Edited by Tyk5919 on Oct 21st 2023 at 10:20:05 AM
I write stories and shiz. You can read them here.
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Fair enough, I am only mentioning Berserko almost Over dosing on drugs to show that this stuff is actually deadly and just because those pre-teens said no, doesn't negate the fact that he tried to sell to them in the first place.
He also got at least 200 people addicted to Crystal Twysts and a lot of those people went on life support or got put into mental institutions.
Edited by Overlord on Oct 21st 2023 at 7:44:32 AM
Caesar
I'll lean just Yes on Addictem since it sounds like the effects of his drugs are, at least, hospitalizing hundreds of people and it being a Very Special Episode makes me lean towards it probably being meant by the creators to be a notably nasty outing by a baddie—ala the Headman from the classic G.I. Joe cartoon.
- The Croning:
- (Bronson Ford)
- Connor Wolverton is the "grand Poo-Bah" of The Conspiracy revolving around the Dark Ones and Bronson Ford, serving as Ford's chief human agent amidst mankind. For years, Wolverton has overseen the routine sacrificing of hundreds, if not thousands, of small children to the Children of Old Leech in exchange for power, and it is Wolverton who is helping Michelle with the corruption of her family. Fully enabling the Dark Ones to infiltrate the planet, Wolverton has sold out his world to one day by decimated, simply so he can rule alongside its conquerors.
The Emperor of Evil!
to Addictem, I was considering proposing him myself, having watched the episode a while ago. I concur we see the effects and I think it's just explicit enough for him to pass the baseline in my opinion.
Unofficial co-Wiki Curator for Magnificent Bastard
So. Just finished Fate/Samurai Remnant and to keep a long story short, no one qualifies (for now).
Chiemon is insane, but he is legitimately mentally scarred from being the sole survivor of the Shimabara Rebellion as a child.
Tsuchimikado Yasuhiro is an asshole. That's it. Even if that were to count, he does have a brother who he does support.
to Addictem
Edited by Siegfried1337 on Oct 21st 2023 at 10:57:21 AM
MB Pending | MB Drafts | MB Dates
Yes to the One Who is Many and Addictem.
What's the work?
Only God Forgives is a very experimental thriller by Nicolas Winding Refn taking place in Thailand. Brothers Julian and Billy Thompson run a Muay Thai boxing school as a front for their family's fight fixing and heroin selling business. One night, the hedonistic Billy goes on a rampage and ends up being murdered by a vigilante cop, bringing his crime lord mother to Bangkok for revenge against the unstoppable Detective Chang.
Who is Billy? What has he done?
An abrasive, violent idiot in contrast to the icy Julian, in addition to being a lieutenant in his mother's heroin outfit, he's also a maniac who spends his nights beating and raping prostitutes for fun. Deciding he wants to "fuck a 14-year-old", Billy beats a pimp and his girls for failing to provide one before finding a teenager elsewhere. Horrifically violating and beating her to death, Billy is caught by the cops and handed to the girl's father to be savagely murdered himself.
While his mom's still out for blood, even Julian finds Billy's crime so repulsive he refuses to avenge his sibling after his men catch the girl's father.
Heinousness?
It's really the one Moral Event Horizon crossing but what he commits is an atrocious murder and even if a Serial Rapist count isn't established, he's known for assaulting prostitutes to the point many pimps avoid him. His mother is a drug dealing murderer indicated to have molested Julian but Billy's pattern plus sexually assaulting and then carving up a minor give him his own gross niche.
Mitigating factors?
His mother Crystal either molests or groomed Julian to be sexually dependent on her and some fans take it as Billy suffered the same abuse but Crystal's dialogue about Billy comes across as much more genuine maternal rage at her son's death. At one point she does say Billy had a bigger dick than Julian but this seems to just be a means to string along her other child into helping her avenge the sibling he doesn't care for.
Billy himself is a minor character but he's much more open dialogue-wise than the reserved Julian and he never sounds like a broken victim, just a bad-tempered and self-centered drug lord.
Verdict?
I think he makes it.
Caesar
Yes to Billy, good find!
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
What is the work? A Dance With Darkness is an improvized Regency-era Call of Cthulhu scenario written and performed by Ain't Slayed Nobody.
World-weary soldier Captain John Stone, debutante Emma Wentworth, conwoman gold-digger Jane Radcliffe, and would-be caterer James Pimm arrive at Budleigh Hall for the coming-of-age ceremony of Alexander Budleigh, Admiral/Baron Hugh Budleigh's son. While each has their own motives for attending, they all discover that not all is as it seems with the fair young Alexander, and that the Budleigh family has several dark skeletons in its closet... or rather, the seemingly derelict wing of the manor.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
Hugh Budleigh is the baron of Budleigh Hall and an Admiral in the British Royal Navy, a veteran of the Napoleonic Wars. An impoverished patrician, Hugh seeks to recoup the family fortune by making a pact with an "angel" — allowing it to mate with his wife to produce supernatural offspring that he will marry off into wealthy families, which has produced two offspring. One—and according to Hugh, the only — "son" by this arrangement is Alexander Budleigh, who is supernaturally beautiful; while the other is a monstrous creature he keeps locked away in the derelect West Wing of the manor along with his bedridden wife—who is sickly and pregnant with more monstrosities, which Hugh deems to be her fulfilling her wifely duties. Kicking the midwife—who was driven insane and delivered a prophecy that his sons would bring about untold calamity—out, Hugh callously disregards his daughter Charlotte—who is his own biological child—in favour of lauding Alexander, who is purely a means of restoring Hugh's fortune and prestige. While the picture of proper early 19th century English nobility on the surface, he coldly locks his old friend Captain John Stone in with the monster his pact spawned to be killed and used as an undead puppet.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
An Impoverished Patrician, Hugh Budleigh resents his family's loss of status—which is the impetus behind his scheme. He was a seemingly loyal soldier who fought and bled for King and Country against Napoleon Boneparte's forces... all to obtain the means by which to enact his plan to restore his status. He's bitter over having had his nose shot off by the French soldier guarding the lynchpin to his plan, and angry over having been given a snuffbox as a retirement present from the military, but these do not influence what he's doing or why he's doing it.
Are they bad enough?
Hugh pimps his wife out to eldritch entities in the hopes of siring a Semi-Divine child that he can use to restore his family's lost fortunes, keeps his monstrous stepchild—soon to be stepchildren—locked up, doesn't care that Alexander may be prophesized to more or less be the Antichrist, and treats his own daughter as disposable.
That said, he doesn't directly kill anyone except for French soldiers and Captain Stone (who was an old war friend of his). The Nephilim does most of the dirty work, murdering his half-sister, Emma, James, and Captain Stone before scooping out their brains to use their corpses as puppets; but this is implicitly done on Hugh's instructions to keep the family's dark secrets from getting out.
Final verdict?
I'm leaning perhaps towards a weak ... but I'm not sure.
Edited by Arawn999 on Nov 1st 2023 at 12:02:53 PM
Not the Eye
to Addictem, Billy
Abstain on Hugh. Not sure he is bad enought.
- Fantomcat ”Tomb of the Fantoms": Salamander is a criminal who wants to destroy the world to get revenge for being put down and disrespected. He breaks into a laboratory and disintegrates two scientists who work there before activating a cyclotron and planning to use it to create a chain reaction that will destroy the world.
What is the work?
Three Forbidden Books is a series of horror games with the game being talked about being Forbidden Books - EINS - that starts with one of the seven generals Ains being ambushed by the black demon god rhad and his forces. After the fight the story focuses on a 9 year old girl named Eins going to give food to her grandmother who is rhad in disguise until she is saved by Ains who tells her to get three things from dangerous places for some reason.
Who the red-haired man and what does he do?
The red haired-man is a mercenary who got known from killing those to went on adventures with him for money while having his sidekick collect the loot. First seen at the start of the game getting ready to hunt wolfs with his sidekick until he is over heard by Eins who he notices and tells to go back but not before giving her a scare.
After most his group consisting of around 100 heroes and mercenaries are killed by giant spiders he starts another killing spree going after the rest of the survivors and having his sidekick take the loot from the corpses. He is later confronted by Dakt Sheny to find a way out of the forest only to find out that he doesn't know and that will only help if she fights him to the death which she requests to do out of the forest where it is safe.
Red hair doesn't care wanting his fight right now in the forest and when Dakt tells him that she has a child and wants her to be somewhere safe with Red hair ask in a way that he could understand. Upon turning around and not finding Eins she asks to find the kid first and Red hair in response tells her to find the kid so he can kill them both.
Dakt knowing that will give him 2 people to kill decides to face him right now and after a tough battle depending if she has a survival knife either lives or dies and if she lives she spares him saying she doesn't kill humans with him angerly wanting her to continue to finish his bloody fight and swearing he will kill her.
Redeeming qualites? Is he bad enough?
There is Rhad who is tried to take over a continent in the past and now tries to attack the continent with monsters, a trio a spirts that want to torture Eins with 4 piece of human meat, and some unseen scientists who disposed of there subjects by feed them to their demon but with a unknown kill count but Red hair just a though strong individual human with his sidekick just collecting loot who has already got a reputation of killing groups already before going on another spree with 14 dead.
He sparing Eins was done for a quick laugh, and him requesting him sidekick to treat him as a companion was done out of boredom and afterwards threatens to kill him.
Verdict?
Yes
Edited by umaprasis on Oct 24th 2023 at 12:38:07 PM
Work
Criminal Minds. Police Procedural revolving around the topic of criminal profiling.
Candidate
Chad Brown, a single-episode UnSub appearing in the Season 4 episode Amplification. A microbiology student who kills by releasing a custom-made strain of anthrax in the air. At the start of the episode, he does it in a park, which results in a death toll of over 20 by the episode's end. He also killed a few people by doing it in a bookstore in a small-scale test he performed before the events of the episode proper, and during the episode, he also murders his teacher (hands-on, rather than with anthrax). Though it first appears he is making a point about how America is underdefended against bioweapon attacks, he is really attacking locations that he associates with personal slights against him. At the end of the episode, he is stopped from launching an attack in a subway and taken into custody by letting him think that he's finally going to be acknowledged for his intellect and given the station he thinks he deserves.
Mitigating factors
While the possibility that Chad wants to wake America up to how vulnerable America is from bio-attacks (which his teacher seemed to be genuinely motivated by, though there were no signs said teacher would have condoned murder or terrorism), his choice of target locations show that his real motives are much more personal and petty, and the fact that he was convinced to stand down by offers of acknowledgement and praise shows that all he wants is personal validation, so no actual good intentions there.
Heinousness
The guy has achieved a 20+ body count, which looks like the bar to meet in this show to be a CM candidate, if they can't make it up for being viscerally horrifying elsewhere. He doesn't exhibit as much overt sadism as UnSubs who rape or torture their victims hands-on, though perhaps infecting his victims with a disease that makes them cough up blood is visceral in its own right. When he was caught, he was in an attempt to release anthrax in a subway, which likely would have achieved a 3-digit body count or higher if successful. This, perhaps, makes Chad Brown comparable to Hayman Vasher. Another thing to mention is that the episode Lessons Learned also featured an attempt at using anthrax, by a group of Islamic terrorists, so Chad isn't unique in his method, but while the terrorists were a group motivated by religion and were stopped before they killed anyone, Chad acted alone, has a confirmed body count, and his motives are pettier than religion.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
That makes 5; isn't the limit only 4 per page?
Anyway, I haven't seen the episode, but while I think Chad's heinous enough, he always struck me as at least partially well-intentioned. Anyone else seen the episode?
Weak yes to Addictem; yes to Billy; unsure on Hugh; unsure on the red-haired man (what's his body count compared to others?).
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
x2 I think you're not looking for Vasher, you're looking for Crossford (which has a lower real bodycount but with 1000+ attempted using Sarin gas instead of Anthrax). Vasher actually killed 150+ and attempted several times that amount.
Otherwise I'm unsure of this. For me it looks like he's outclassed by Crossford. Maybe Lighty can give some insights about it.
Edited by Mr-ex777 on Oct 22nd 2023 at 8:01:22 PM
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Honestly, having been the one to get up Crossford (and Vasher), I'm not too concerned about heinousness for Brown, but instead his motivation.
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
I am curious on Billy, he only rapes and kills one girl. And doesn't Cristal do worse?
Billy is a serial rapist with the very brutal kill. His mother has messed up Julian but she’s never violently killed a minor while raping them.
Goku Black
Billy and Addictem (huh. Pun)
Ultimate Moral Compass
Billy
