Making up for lost LGBTQ+ tropes

Ambiguously Bi is also used for confirmed gay/lesbian characters who express ambiguous interest in characters of the opposite gender.

To clarify, if the characters explicitly identify as gay, they cannot be Ambiguously Bi. But I think what you mean is cases where their attraction to the same gender is confirmed but their attraction to the opposite gender is ambiguous.

Made a title crowner for Trans in the Adaptation, just posting here for visibility

Queer Establishing Moment has been launched... just putting it out there

Has it been crosswicked? I don't think I've seen it added to any pages on my watchlist.

>Found in 6 articles, excluding discussions.

Looks like a no.

Yeah, always remember to crosswick, ~magnumtropus.

Just finished crosswicking.

Edited by rmctagg09 on Sep 13th 2021 at 7:59:35 AM

Wasn't aware pf this trope on TLP (my fault) and I hope this doesn't come off as overly harsh, but the description for Queer Establishing Moment has serious problems. It opens by with a half-baked social history of homosexuality that's extremely reductive, implying that homosexuality was uniformly taboo until they "gained acceptance", which seems to be something that happened definitely everywhere in the world sometime in the 2000s. It then implies that, even after homophobias was ended, well written queer characters are an invention of the 2010s. Not only is this reductive to the point of being borderline offensive, it's also pointless. Why does a trope that boils down to "the moment when the audience learns that a character is queer" need half of the description to be a history lesson (nevermind an inaccurate one)? The trope description should start by describing the trope. Later in the description maybe you can go and add some historical/cultural context, but this trope doesn't even seem like it needs it. The history section focuses on how portrayals of queer characters have improved over time, but this trope seems to apply to all queer characters, even ones that are offensive stereotypes.

I'm not trying to attack anyone who worked on the description, but it needs a rewrite, because right now it opens with a off-topic, rambling history lesson that's not even accurate.

Bring it up in the Description Improvement Drive or the Crash Rescue thread.

I do recall people bringing up the description during TLP too.

and I admit that I am not good with writing descriptions, and while this trope was on TLP, I repeatedly asked for feedback, and a better introduction than the one that I had given. I edited the description based on the feedback given to me, but no one brought up the Unfortunate Implications of the first paragraph. I even admitted, in the comments section, that I was not good with writing introductions and specifically asked for help in that regard. I also put it on a 48 hour launch notice to give an extra day for draft problems to be brought up.

As for me not cross-wicking it, I didn't want to do it immediately in case it got unlaunched - something that happened with 2 drafts that I launched in the past.

Edited by magnumtropus on Sep 13th 2021 at 6:42:22 PM

The description has been updated

Trans in the Adaptation has been changed to Adaptational Gender Identity and will launch on the 21st.

Adaptational Gender Identity is launched!!

This is something I've been thinking about for a LONG time, and a Reddit post finally made me decide to bring this up here. This is a phenomenon I call the Last Episode Lesbians, which is Exactly What It Says on the Tin: the final episode (or sometimes, an episode near the end of the final season) of a show confirms a lesbian relationship.

This happened in the 2010's. Presumably, this is a combination of Girl on Girl Is Hot (it's always a sapphic couple, probably due to worries that dudes kissing would gross out the straight male demographic) and genuinely wanting to get in LGBT representation, but also being worried about backlash from the higher-ups and right-wingers, so they only confirm the queerness it right when the show is ending so they don't have to worry about being Screwed by the Network and getting cancelled.

Those I'm thinking of are Adventure Time, Legend of Korra, and My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic (which is a double example, as the almost-final-episode "The Big Mac Question" confirms LyraBon, while the actual finale confirms, or very strongly implies [I haven't actually seen it] AppleDash). The Reddit post also brings up She-Ra and the Princesses of Power and Kill la Kill (which I'm not sure really counts, since it's the only one that isn't from Western Animation and therefore might have a different cause).

Another possible example, if you stretch the definition, is Steven Universe, where Season 5 has Ruby and Sapphire getting married just before the start of the final story arc. While this is an undeniably romantic gesture, it was already universally accepted that they were a canon couple, though I believe that in previous episodes it was mostly done in such a way that a REALLY stubborn homophobe could maybe pretend that it was platonic. Plus there's Pearl x Rose, among others.

However, I can't really think of any more examples, so it's probably Too Rare to Trope.

Edited by Zuxtron on Sep 21st 2021 at 10:40:07 AM

I think we could expand it beyond "lesbian relationship" and maybe find examples of queer ships that literally only get together for the final season. (Supernatural, anyone?) It feels related to But Not Too Gay and Hide Your Lesbians.

Yeah, maybe more examples will pop up if we expand the definition a bit.

I thought of another Steven Universe example with Steven Universe: Future's very sudden introduction of a non-binary (human) romantic partner for one character.

Not sure if it's too early for a TLP draft.

Edited by Zuxtron on Sep 21st 2021 at 11:09:08 AM

Wasn't there something in Voltron where the "Where Are They Now?" Epilogue showed Shiro getting married to a man?

They'd established him as gay earlier in the final season but then did Bury Your Gays very quickly. (That's like, the one thing about Voltron I know.)

The "Last Season Queer" seems to be a response to shows which include queer characters getting Screwed by the Network for it — can't get cancelled abruptly if you're already done, and all that.

Eh, I don't like the "Last Season Queer" name... what about "Open Closet Finale?" Is that too obtuse?

I like the name, but it does sound a little obtuse.

Coming Out in the Finale, maybe?

While I think this is a thing, I want to say in advance that making it a page needs to be very carefully approached, because it seems extremely ripe for complaining - both in the "speculating on the creators' cowardly motives" sense AND in the sense that Sudden Sexuality was rife with back when that was a page.

Edited by nrjxll on Sep 21st 2021 at 1:10:20 PM