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Suggested adjustment of the trope description (Go Out with a Smile):
Death is rarely a cause for celebration, as it is a permanent goodbye to the world you love.
Sometimes, however, the pain of seeing you cry hurts the one who is about to depart more than imminent death itself, and in spite of agonizing pain or being crippled beyond saving, summons up all their courage to sincerely smile one last time for you (or alternatively laughing very softly); a final gesture that beyond all doubt affirms their love for you. If the one smiling in question is a young girl, her final smile will be the single most painfully cute thing you will ever see besides a box of kittens.
The Mercy Kill may have the dying person evince some self-awareness to show this; similarly, this might be part of Dying as Yourself. See also Let Them Die Happy if the dying character is cheered up by well-meaning lies and Thanatos Gambit if the character is content to die in order to achieve some objective. It usually results in Peaceful in Death.
It makes a lasting impression as a pretty dignified way to go. Usually reserved for the finales of Tear Jerker stories or the climax of a Bittersweet Ending.
Often paired with Died in Your Arms Tonight, Cradling Your Kill or Comfort the Dying. Sometimes crosses with Out with a Bang or Last Kiss. If the character in question has been The Stoic or an Emotionless Girl it might be a case of Death Equals Emotion.
Compare/contrast Die Laughing for mad, dissonant laughter for characters who find their death hilarious or just found something extremely funny before their death.
NOTICE: It is highly likely that simply reading through the examples will be a Tear Jerker for the reader. It is recommended that a box of tissues be handy. And it should go without saying that, being a Death Trope, THERE WILL BE SPOILERS.
Moved to the draft of "I Pity You" Dying Laugh:
- Sometimes unredeemed villains die this way, but that is only so their corpses will continue to terrify you after they're gone. Or perhaps they’re planning on Taking You with Me...
I also removed some links to tropes — namely Pietà Plagiarism and Final First Hug. The description is fairly cluttered as it is, and these seem redundant.
What do you say?
Edited by XFllo on Nov 1st 2019 at 2:55:56 PM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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Maybe some of the current description can be moved to an Analysis page, which the trope doesn't currently have. (I've lost track of how many times I've suggested moving portions of long descriptions to an Analysis subpage.)
Edit: Maybe the two one-sentence paragraphs before the "NOTICE" part (and maybe the paragraph between those and the notice, since all three paragraphs feature lists of related tropes) can be merged. That might lessen the amount of scrolling needed to read the description.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 1st 2019 at 9:09:39 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
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It's not clear to me what you want to move. Which part? Can you copy the text, please? (Wiki words and links not neeed, just the plain text.)
The compare/contrast tropes are not particularly useful on Analysis subpage methinks. To my understanding, Analysis/ should be a little essay about how the trope is often used, if it's problematic, what it says about its depiction in media etc.
Please, could you guys chime in on the TLP draft? It already got a bomb without any feedback whatsoever. The anonymity and the thing that bombers don't have to include a reason is frustrating. I'd be fine with getting a bomb if they for example said the description is insufficient, or even if they think it's not tropeworthy enough, or that they think the split is not needed. But just a bomb, like it's a draft with zero effort, feels like a giant "eff you, don't even try"...
Edited by XFllo on Nov 1st 2019 at 4:33:37 PM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I didn't mean any specific parts. I was just suggesting something for if you rewrite it further.
Edit: I added a hat to the TLP draft.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Nov 1st 2019 at 11:01:02 AM
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Thanks for the hat, that's sweet of you. Personally I don't think it should be getting hats just yet because it needs more examples, but to be honest I also hatted it to offset the first bomb.
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Question about example sorting among those three tropes (assuming "I Pity You" Dying Laugh makes it out of the TLP):
Spoilers for manga One Piece.
- One Piece: In Loguetown, when Luffy himself is about to get his head chopped off (on the same platform where Roger was executed), he grins hugely as the sword's coming down and says "Sorry guys, but... I'm dead." Though Luffy doesn't actually get head-chopped, characters note the similarity between him and Roger.
To me, that's clearly some kind of contemptuous, clashing smile. I think this grin is best on the "I Pity You" Dying Laugh draft.
Do you agree?
Edited by XFllo on Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:21:47 PM
Not seeing how the laugh is a means to an end so Die Laughing for me.
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While I'd personally agree, I remember this argument
from the IP thread. "He's not laughing. His mouth is not open or anything."
Though I'd hope that wide grins can be considered Die Laughing per Tropes Are Flexible.
I partly base my opinion on the caption currently showing on Go Out with a Smile.
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I absolutely get that.
I think the distinction between smiles and laughs related to these tropes should really be based on the meaning of the scene. I've found one example when the dying character laughs, but it's really a bittersweet soft laugh because he's happy he's dying as a human. So it really is an example of Go Out with a Smile (rather than Die Laughing).
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So I Pity You Dying Laugh had 6 hats and 1 bomb yesterday. Now it has 3 bombs and 3 net hats, yet they're no suggestions for improvement or voices to discard it in the draft.
There's just this comment: "The distinction between this and Die Laughing seems pretty fine to me." In which case, it's unclear to me if it means fine as in good, or fine as in too narrow. I asked but got no reaction.
This is very frustrating part of TLP process. I'm actually willing to work on the draft but I feel I can't.
- 1. Bombs can be given without a reason. I'm no psychic so I have no idea why people bomb it.
- 2. Bombs are anonymous. I can't ask people directly what their issue with the draft is.
I'd have no problem discarding a draft that is found unnecessary or duplicate or not tropeworthy or whatever... if only I knew the reasons.
I thought this would be a very brief TRS discussion but I guess I was wrong.
I'd appreciate any feedback.
ETA: So... the draft is now getting hats. So hopefully it's getting there, ready to be launched in a couple of days.
Edited by XFllo on Nov 12th 2019 at 7:35:02 PM
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The draft for Dying Smirk (name ok? it looks like it has support in TLP) is launchable. Any feedback? Link.
I moved most examples to the TLP from Go Out with a Smile; some are from the comments. I haven't gone through all the examples in the Go Out with a Smile but the list in the draft is pretty long and hopefully representative.
I also moved several examples to Die Laughing (from Go Out w/ a Smile).
Edited by XFllo on Nov 13th 2019 at 5:53:23 PM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
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So Dying Smirk got launched.
Now another hard part: dedicated wick check. We need to remove (or comment-out) all ZCE and change misuse to Die Laughing or Dying Smirk.
Perhaps this thread can get the star for being nearly resolved.
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Also, we have a (very weak, i.e. 2-vote weak) consensus that elimination from competitions should not count as Downplayed Trope. Here, asked in Is this an example. If I am not mistaken, no one voiced their opinion here.
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Can I get some feedback on this example? I'm not sure which of the dying smile/laugh/grin tropes is the one.
- Done brutally in Alive: The Final Evolution, when victims of the 'suicide virus' gleefully kill themselves, sometimes relenting long enough to do something important to them or encourage others to do the same. Those who are infected with the virus but have yet to succumb to it, and witness the suicides aren't sure whether to be terrified or be jealous.
It's now on Go Out with a Smile, but I don't think it really fits.
It reads like Die Laughing (bringing to mind Laughing Mad), but I'm not familiar with the work.
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Thanks. :-)
This trope now has 2309 wicks. Judging from the first post, large number of those will be ZCE and/or misuse.
I started with the checkup and cleanup, but it's exhausting for one person. So any help would be appreciated.
Dying Smirk should be crosswicked on Go Out with a Smile. And done.
What do with ZCE? I prefer to cut them to encourage reading descriptions, but I guess that's against policy.
How sweet it is
Best to comment them out, since the trope will still stick around.
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I was under the impression that ZCE are being deleted during cleanup efforts like TRS.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
For me it depends on the TRS effort and why the trope is being cleaned. If it's because of misuse, I usually just cut the ZCEs, since I can't tell if they're using the trope correctly or not.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Seems we are in agreement.
I Pity You Death Laugh can be run through TLP. We can probably mine some examples of grinning from Go Out with a Smile.