Hate Sink cleanup

So many E Ps happening and it's bit hard to keep track of the votes before another one pops out. For all newcomers, if you make an EP for a character here, you are by default tasked to write the draft entry to be put up in the Hate Sink pages. Just want to remind people since I notice Draft entires have slowed to a trickle (and it would be nice to remove some on the list of pending writeups rather than expanding it).

Edited by Shadao on Jun 1st 2019 at 12:15:06 PM

• Sweet/Vicious: Nate Griffin is the Alpha Dog of Darlington and Kennedy's boyfriend who raped Jules and one other girl before the series. Throughout the series Nate continues to scare Jules and tries to turn Kennedy against her. Nate refuses to take responsibility and generally seems to believe he did nothing wrong, getting more exasperated the more he's confronted. In a drug fuelled rant, Nate says that victims deserve to get raped and that he is untouchable.

"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."

I almost forgot:

to the CIA Agents, Suzuki Sato and Tanaka Watanabe.

Writeup for Gambino:

• Gambino is the father of protagonist Guts. Gambino repeatedly proves himself one of the most personally hateful characters in the story, between abusing Guts, putting him through Training from Hell, and even selling him to the pedophile Donovan for a cheap price, Gambino ends up killed when he drunkenly tries to murder his own son for "killing" the only woman he loves, which Guts had no control over and could not have prevented.

Writeup for Konrad von Carstein:

• Warhammer: Konrad von Carstein, the son of Vlad von Carstein, is the highly incompetent and most infamously mad member of the bloodline. Nothing more than a bully, countless people die thanks to Konrad being Stupid Evil, including his own men, and when he is slain during a post-battle tantrum, nobody mourns for him.

Edited by Riley1sCool on Jun 2nd 2019 at 11:44:16 AM

Unalaq from Characters.The Legend Of Korra Enemies Seasons 1 And 2

• Hate Sink: At the start of the season, the worst you could say about him was that he was a pretentious Jerkass. As more of him is revealed, he is shown to be hypocritical of the beliefs he professes, a man who betrayed the family that once loved him for his ambitions and committed to reshaping the two worlds in his image by unleashing the embodiment of chaos on it. His death was mourned by no one, not even his own children.

I removed this since it was already removed twice as it was decided he came of as bad as he did due to bad writing (his intended redeeming traits were Informed Attributes) as opposed to intentionally written as (Korra does regret failing to save him, his children not is their Comedic Sociopathy, and the work tried to portray him as having been genuinely well intentioned before Jumping Off the Slippery Slope). Season 4 lampoons him showing the creators acknowledged they screwed up with him. Should I add a note saying he doesn't count? Or should I do a write up first.

Also, I have some thoughts about the entries in general: We might not need to mention how irredeemable the characters are over and over again, since that’s a given for this trope. I’m thinking about having some entries focus on their most despicable acts.

Thoughts?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Argeed, as well as explain how they avoid any cool or likable traits and the narrative reason they need to be so unlikable.

Should I add a disclaimer to Unalaq saying was deemed not an example or should we do a write up first?

Well, I would say add a disclaimer... but I don't think we ever talked about Unalaq here on the Hate Sink page. I would say that EP should be done if someone wishes to challenge the notion that Unalaq isn't a Hate Sink. In any case, the disclaimer should redirect would-be editors to this thread to bring forth their arguments as to why Unalaq counts as a Hate Sink.

Of course, I haven't really rewatched Korra in a long time, so maybe there are some aspects of Unalaq that we have overlooked. Maybe he is a Hate Sink and the reason he ended up as The Scrappy is because, like Alfrid from The Hobbit films, he worked too well that people complain about him being a waste of character.

Edited by Shadao on Jun 2nd 2019 at 10:33:43 AM

While I do think Unalaq deserves a second look and a proper effort post, it’s been awhile since I saw Korra and I’m not exactly willing to go rewatch season 2 of Korra just to do an effort post. From what I can remember, he was quite the detestable villain (to the extent of being a confirmed Complete Monster) but also ended up as The Scrappy for being a bland and one-dimensional villain. So as Shadao said, he could very well be a Hate Sink Gone Horribly Right.

Write-up for Unalaq then.

What is the work?

The Legend of Korra, which is renowned for its complex, sympathetic antagonists with valid points.

Who is the character, and what do they do?

Unalaq is the Big Bad of the weakly received Season 2, notable for the one character qualifying as a Complete Monster from the otherwise morally gray villains.

What makes them personally despicable?

He causes all the rogue spirts attacks he's crusading against while still convinced of his cause, shows blatant sadism when he doesn't need to hide it, has no regard for his family, and seeks to free God of Evil Vatuu risking the apocalypse for more power.

Evil Is Cool traits? Complexity? Freudian Excuse?

Excuse, no. Cool, no but he does suffer Tough Act to Follow from the prior Big Bad. Complexity, it tries to present Unalaq as having been genuinely well-intentioned before his ambition, jealousy, and Vatuu's influence twisted him into to monster he was. But given how he seemed just as bad the earliest we see him in flashback, it didn't do a good job, weak writing. In-work, Korra despite all he did to her regrets being forced to kill him, his children's lack of regret is treated in part as Comedic Sociopathy, and he's still presented as having valid points and motives such the heroes implement some of them. It was these attempts at grayness that meant he lacked the over-the-top/outlandish evilness that could have made him fun or cool. Nor is it helped that the ultimate rightfulness of his motives to benefit the spirits suffers from Space Whale Aesop while the other villains had motives grounded in things with clear real-world parallels, but that's not parented as intentional unlikability.

Verdict?

Despite his stand-out heinousness, he's still ultimately presented in the same light as the sympathetic villains, having valid motivations but going too far even if he went farther than they did. His lack of redeeming traits is due to weak writing failing to show what they say about him as opposed to an intentional attempt to make him unlikeable. So unless official word is they made him intentionally stand-out unlikable, which I doubt as it would be at odds with the themes of the series, he doesn't count. He's hated for weak writing, not this trope.

Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Jun 3rd 2019 at 1:11:11 AM

Unalaq.

for Unalaq.

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.

Unalaq

Rawr.

Belated to the CIA agents. Anymore votes on Jeremiah Sand?

Having read Ferot’s EP, I’m voting on Unalaq. I am also preparing a write-up on the CIA agents and another Ghost In The Shell EP.

Any more votes on the Unknown Man from Elfen Lied?

Throwing in an vote on the Unknown Man.

The Unalaq thing reminded me of something

Foe the Arrowverse on Malcom Merlyns page.

• Hate Sink: As the series going on his horrible actions vastly out weigh his sympathetic backstory: in Season 3 he brainwashed Thea to kill Sara, which set off a chain of events that nearly got her killed, and in Season 4 he resurrects Vandal Savage and refuses to forfeit his title of Ra's Al-Ghul in exchange for a cure for Thea's bloodlust. When he loses control of the League, he tells Darhk about Ollie's secret son in Central City, cementing his status as selfish bastard who will always care only for himself and nobody else

I'm.....not sure.

Oh make no mistake, Dude was reprehensible as hell post season 2 and His cruelty far outweighed any Cool traits, but....He was also kinda infamous for the fact in seasons 3 and 4 he was constantly getting away with stuff. Like after the thing with Arranging Saras death He ends the season as the new Rhas Al Ghul getting no punishment for his crimes. And then in season 4 he gives Olivers son away...before getting a robot hand. Again, leaving the season with little to no consequences Malcolm being hated to he extent he was sort of comes off as a result of the Ludicrously bad writing for seasons 3 and 4 as opposed to the writers wanting him to Be a HS. But does anyone else have any Thoguts there?

Edited by Kylotrope on Jun 4th 2019 at 4:37:33 AM

Things are really about to get Fun around here

Someone who has seen the show should effortpost him.

Rawr.

Guess I'll do my writeup for Cam while waiting on more votes. Think it should be slightly altered on the character page.

American History X: Despite the movie's message that hate is baggage, Cameron Alexander comes across as a completely despicable individual without a single redeeming quality. He is responsible for the corruption of Derek and others, feeding into their latent bigotry and inciting hate crimes. While he acts the part of A Father to His Men, he has been more than willing to throw his men under the bus when it benefits him. When Derek returns from prison reformed, he makes a mockery of his rape in prison. In a deleted scene, he appears to display compassion towards a homeless veteran, but only with the intent of spreading his racist beliefs. Shortly after, he menaces an interracial couple and drives them out of the diner.

Merlyn doesn't count even though the bastard should. The writers clearly adore him and that's unfortunately just what takes him away. I felt the same way about Mannfred from Warhammer. He'd totally count if he weren't heavily promoted and treated as the "worthy" Carstein.

Question- am I allowed to pothole this trope without creating an entry for it on a main page? Something like:

Trope Name: X does this, which is meant to show that he is a Hate Sink.

One of these days, all of you will accept me as your supreme overlord.

Sorry about how long I am taking with Bryce's writeup (been busy) but in the meantime I have another Thirteen Reasons Why candidate, who I personally find even more hateable than Bryce. I will do their writeups together if he is approved.

Who is he? What does he do?

Montgomery "Monty" De La Cruz is a Jerk Jock with some SERIOUS self control issues. He regularly bullies and assaults other classmates, most notably Tyler, often pushing him into a locker.

The first season has him helping Courtney spread rumors about Hannah being a crazy Lesbian. As well as Monty laying a No-Holds-Barred Beatdown on Alex.

However, Monty becomes worse, much worse in the second season where it was revealed that he had witnessed Bryce rape Hannah in the pool but did nothing about it. When Alex racked with guilt pleads to Monty that Hannah is dead because of them, Monty's response is to tell him to shut the fuck up claiming "I didn't see anything, and neither did you".

When the Hannah Baker lawsuit trial against Liberty High begins, Monty goes through every effort to silence anyone who knows about the rapes Bryce committed, sending threatening notes.

Before taking more drastic measures, such as attempting to kill Clay by running him off the road. Monty then sends a doll hanging by Jessica's (a rape survivor) doorstep calling her a "slut". He also put a dead rat in Zach's gym bag. He wrecks Tony's car. He also vandalised the Baker's shop, even going as far as spray painting "She's dead" (Hannah) to her grieving parents.

His most personal threat though has to be when he mailed a loaded gun and a target dummy to Alex (a suicide survivor) with a note telling him to pretty much shoot himself and don't mess this time.

During a hallway fight, he taunts a reluctant Tony, repeatedly blurting out slurs calling him a "faggot"

When the characters find out Monty's been the one terrorizing them. Rather than stsnd his ground, Monty acts like a Dirty Coward denying all allegations of committing said deeds, and even lies about the whereabouts of the polaroids to Alex, just so he can make a run for it.

It is also revealed during a testimony that he had sexually harassed/molested Courtney, "and then he touched me, on my thigh".

The season finae however, showed Monty at his absolute lowest yet. Outraged by the cancellation of the baseball season due to the outcome of the Baker trial, Monty decides to take ot out on Tyler.

Where the infamous bathroom scene begins. Monty slams Tyler's head repeatedly against the bathroom mirror, dunks his head in the toilet for a really long time, nearly suffocating him and then.....Monty grabs a mob....shoves it up his ass..and sodomizes him with it in an extremely graphic and disturbing way. There is even blood all over the handle after he's done.

Any good qualities?

Nope. He's sexist, homophobic, explosive, violent, sadistic, a rape aaccomplice, and an actual rapist. And unlike even Bryce who can be pragmatic at times and pretend to be a descent person. Monty is always portrayed as a straight up Stupid Evil jackass who uses physical violence, threats and intimidation first, and thinks second. In fact, his stupidity ended up making things worse for Bryce's case despite Monty's goal of keeping him clean.

He presumably comes from a poor background with an abusive father but it isn't given much focus. We never see the abuse, him and his father interact or even know who his father is. Plus, Justin has the exact same background and was put in the exact same situation of watching Bryce rape a girl. However, whereas Justin regretted not being strong enough to stop Bryce and repented, Monty couldn't care less and even taunted Hannah's memory.

Overall he's vile, nasty and slimy as they come, who's only loyalty is to a psychopathic rapist for a self serving reason.

Monty.

By the way, I'm curious as to who is the Hate Sink you hate the most and why. Mine is Akio Ohtori from Revolutionary Girl Utena because he's by far the most sickening, horrifying, and sadistic villain I've ever seen in any genre within any form of media. He's so abusive, dirty, hypocritical and misogynistic that he has not only traumatized and enraged me but also has made the Omnicidal Maniac Count Bleck from Super Paper Mario, the vengeful Serial Killer Scar from Fullmetal Alchemist, and even the abusive father Endeavor from My Hero Academia, who is also a Hate Sink at least at first, look far tamer by comparison.

Edited by IukaSylvie on Jun 5th 2019 at 3:25:18 AM

to Monty. As for Hate Sink that I truly hate, well I'll have to think about that since there are very few characters that have made me genuinely angry since 2016.

EDIT:

I just noticed that The Lorax Hate Sink characters are already on the Hate Sink subpages... without the drafts being posted here or in the draft sandbox. Please note that if you're going to be adding entries, post them here on the thread for the record (I only remove or add things on the pending write up based on what I see here on the thread).

Edited by Shadao on Jun 4th 2019 at 11:27:20 AM