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I question these examples since Reality Ensues is about unexpectedly realistic outcomes and these are the expectation for for this genre. Cut?
Thoughts on adding this to Square Peg, Round Trope:
for the cut and add, though change "fictions" to "fictitious".
What Crossover-Enthusiast said!
How about making all Reality Ensues example require they explain the series/genre/trope expectation that is being subverted in favor of a realistic outcome. (I realized the distinction between Reality Ensues and Deconstruction is deconstruction isn't necessarily done as a subversion. That worth mentioning somewhere?)
I think the first bit would be good to have. A lot of misuse is due to the entry failing to explain what is expected in the genre/narrative convention/etc. and turns into "thing happens as result of another thing that happened".
The page already mentions how Deconstruction and Reality Ensues differ: in a deconstruction, established elements in a setting are used to come to a logical outcome, while in Reality Ensues, such elements might not even exist in real life.
From Amphibia S 1 E 24 Hop Popular:
I'm not sure the situation here is depicted realistically, since Hop Pop was running for mayor of his village, so realistically one wouldn't need to campaign in other cities. This actually bothers quite a few fans, and it's commonly theorized that the election was rigged since the current mayor is known to be extremely corrupt.
Troper CASCHero restored the examples on Man of Steel even though I was given the all clear to delete them, justifying them as "Find the changes and change them with good reason, please don't delete examples outright. "That's how the film world works" is not an excuse if you disagree and a lot of these example are still valid."
I always thought Reality Ensues only applied when a work of fiction is about to follow some fictional convention only to subvert viewer expectation and instead follow real life rules. Almost every example on that list is about how "realistic" and "grounded" the story is, without mentioning a fictional convention the story is trying to subvert.
What do you think?
Edited by MasterHero on Jul 25th 2019 at 8:45:49 AM
Considering that the rest of the Superman movies have glossed over these by making Superman an Instant Expert and an Ideal Hero, I think the entries have some merit.
Edited by RoundRobin on Jul 25th 2019 at 11:59:28 AM
I don't think any of the RealityEnsues.Harry Potter examples fit the trope as it's meant to be used.
Yeah, those examples are simply the way things are written or how the characters are portrayed, not "the story tries to follow some fictional convention and then subverts it by playing by real life rules."
By the way, could please somebody help me with the Man of Steel examples? That'd be awesome, thank you.
Edited by MasterHero on Jul 26th 2019 at 6:02:50 AM
If they're going to stay, they should mention how in previous Superman stories/movies x happened or would be expected, but instead y happens.
Someone made the following page for Reality Ensues: Beyblade Burst. I already removed a large amount that did not fit and wanted to get opinions on these. I don't think the work needs a page for itself.
I agree that there's nothing worth salvaging on the Harry Potter page. Most of it is just summarising events of the story, explaining back story, characterisation, character development, Fridge Logic, the Big Good not being able to do everything (which is why there's a story at all), the villain coming from a dysfunctional background, the Big Good knowing enough about the villain to educate The Hero, the Malfoy family meeting Even Evil Has Standards... and so on.
Since those events detail crucial plot points and aren't just one-off things, I think they should be deleted.
Could someone help me do a wick check for Reality Ensues? It's obvious that it's heavily misused, but without actually checking the wicks, the case wouldn't stand much ground in TRS. The amount needed is 110, and the related tab is ridiculously long - so long that my kindle fire can't handle it.
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Edited by lalalei2001 on Aug 19th 2019 at 4:42:50 AM
That's not what a Wick Check is.
I'll do whatever I can to fix the page. Reality Ensues is a good trope but, over these last few years, it has been subject to heavy amounts of misuse. I'm still waiting for the all clear to fix the DCEU page.
Question regarding a possible entry that I wanted clarified to see if that fits, and also to use as an example of correct usage.
This is from Fire Emblem: Three Houses. Putting spoiler tags to be safe.
In Hubert's paralogue, he helps save some of Those Who Slither in the Darkness, and as thanks takes a highly advanced spear found. After, in a conversation with Byleth, he brings up the idea of reverse engineering it and using it to arm the Empires soldiers. After considering it for a moment, Hubert decides against it, citing that because Fodlan's technology is not advanced enough, it would be impossible to replicate the weapon even though he'd like to, and instead hands it over to Byleth to use.
Would this be an example, or is it still incorrect?
I don't think it's an example. It makes perfect sense that someone so far behind in another's technology would be unable to reverse engineer it.
Usually the trope subverts a common trope or narrative convention (of a genre, series, or whatever), so if the description doesn't name what's being subverted, I'm suspicious of whether it's really an example or just a logical consequence as a result of something happening.
x2 Agreed on that being misuse and voting in favor of cut.
It wasn't an example anymore, but more as an example of it would fit or not. Thanks for the clarification.
Are people okay with me removing the following entries:
Show: RWBY (Page: Recap.RWBYV 5 E 5 Necessary Sacrifice)
None of the above explain how reality is interrupting narrative expectations. These are all just examples of plot points.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 13th 2019 at 6:49:12 PM
All of the Reality Ensues entries on Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Ė Spirit of Justice look like misuse to me.
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