The Woobie Cleanup

Go ahead.

If something has around 5 or 6 examples it deserves a page.

I've got proposals for Wolfwalkers. I'm wondering if discussion is allowed since it's been two weeks after the movie released on Apple TV+.

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Uh... There's no two week waiting period on The Woobie. This isn't MB or CM where the waiting period and effortpoats are necessary. If you have a legit example, by all means, add it!

Edited by Klavice on Jan 5th 2021 at 5:47:08 AM

Should Sandbox.The Woobie Discussion Dates be cut?

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Yes.

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Does The Woobie include actors from shows? I ask this because the YMMV page for Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers has Billy's actor, David Yost, as a link-only example.

• Ladies and gentlemen, David Yost.

While what happened to him was unfortunate, I don't think it's a good idea to trope an audience reaction to a real life person.

No. The Woobie is No Real Life Examples.

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I tried cleaning up Woobie.South Park because it had a lot of ZCE. Does anybody think any of these characters shouldn't count? Especially since several of the entries focus on specific episodes and not the characters' general personality.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

I've seen this entry added to Woobie.RWBY and I want to double-check it's okay since the character has a bit of troping problem. He's a hero who descended into full-blown villainy, but he has a hard-core fanbase that tends to Draco in Leather Pants him.

Jerkass Woobie entry:

• As of Volume 7, Episode 11, James Ironwood. Starting out as an Iron Woobie, the later volumes see him Slowly Slipping Into Evil to become one of these instead. Ironwood ends up with PTSD as a result of the events of Volume 3, and things only get worse for him from then on as his behaviour grows increasingly paranoid. He makes questionable decisions out of a combination of this and a desire to stop Salem. Then, he learns of the protagonists' withholding of information, and snaps, ordering their arrest and abandoning Mantle to die, solidifying him as an antagonist.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 7th 2021 at 5:38:03 PM

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Dunno if you still need this, but with no context on RWBY, I'd change it to this:

• Initially starting as an Iron Woobie, James Ironwood gets PTSD as a result of the events of Volume 3, which cause him to grow increasingly paranoid and make extremely questionable decisions in his desire to stop Salem. In Volume 7, he slips completely into a villainous role when he learns team RWBY withheld information from him, leaving Mantle to die and ordering the heroes' arrest.

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Correct uses of Jerkass Woobie?

YMMV.Mystery Skulls Animated: Lewis spends most of the series furiously gunning for Arthur's head, to the point of willingly endangering Vivi and Mystery over it... however, given that Lewis believes Arthur, a very close friend, betrayed and killed him simply so he could have Vivi to himself, it's not at all hard to see where he's coming from.

YMMV.Friday Night Funkin Corruption: The Girlfriend's parents are bastards with little care towards anyone but themselves and their daughter, who they are overprotective of to the point of Comedic Sociopathy. However, it's hard to not feel sorry for them since that overprotectiveness indirectly led to their daughter suffering a Fate Worse than Death that then threatens everything, especially when the Mom herself succumbs to the same fate while fighting Pico.

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Found a meta example on Jaws:

Have any of the VFX team spoken up about feeling upset that their work on the film is constantly dunked on? Either way, should we cut this since it's not from the film itself?

Yeah, cut that.

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For a Woobie Family example, would the Hammond family from Prom Night (1980) count?

The Hammonds. Robin was killed because of a Deadly Prank, Mrs. Hammond spends much of the film in a near-catatonic state, still mourning her daughter, Alex drove himself to commit murder to avenge Robin, and Kim wound up being the one to put him down.

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This example on The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild seems to argue with itself:

• The Woobie: Just based on all other tropes on this page, you can tell who. Though it may also count as Jerkass Woobie given that Lincoln naughtily fibs to all his siblings and even carelessly breaks Lori’s clubs just to sell it, all while seemingly taking enjoyment in seeing how gullible his family is being and not even wanting to support them.

Yeah, that can probably be cut.

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I've removed this Jerkass Woobie entry from the Woobie.RWBY page.

• Jacques Schnee. While the man was a complete and total jackass to his family and almost everyone he knew, before he dies he somberly tells Ironwood "we both lose" and hangs his head in defeat. And after Watts opens Ironwood's cell, Jacques asks if he will open his as well, and rather than just say no Ironwood decides to kill him. And right before he dies rather than be scared or try to escape, he just looks shocked and sad, before Ironwood completely reduces him to ash. He may have been an asshole, but he didn't deserve that.

Comparing him against the three elements required, Jacques only meets one of them:

• Being a jerk. (Yes, he's a jerk.)
• Being shown to have a hidden softer side. (No softer side is ever portrayed; the only times he ever displays the appearance of one, he's faking it to manipulate people.)
• Being shown to constantly suffer as a result of their jerkassery. (No, he gets away with everything except rigging the election; he's only caught because his wife has been spying on him for years. That's a single incidence of karma biting him in the arse.)

The RWBY forum thread didn't feel like he counted either.

Regarding the above question about Ironwood, he remains on the page, but I edited his entry slightly to this (happy to amend it further if people think it should be):

• James Ironwood. After Volume 3, he begins Slowly Slipping Into Evil; after the Battle of Beacon triggers his PTSD, he is so determined to protect his kingdom from Salem without making Leo and Ozpin's mistakes that he can't see the mistakes he makes through fear and mistrust. After successive manipulation by Watts, Tyrian and Cinder, he snaps; unable to handle the protagonists' withholding information from him and Salem showing up with a massive army of Grimm, he turns on his allies, Mantle and even his subordinates, ultimately dooming the kingdom he's trying to save. He dies alone and broken, abandoned by the heroes and dismissed by the villains.

Edited by Wyldchyld on May 8th 2021 at 10:47:03 AM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.

When it comes to Woobie.Disney, I have to question this entry:

• Quasimodo from The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Although particularly woobie-ish in the Disney adaptation he is quite the Woobie in the original novel. Not including the Festival of Fools torture scene, the way that Esmeralda treats Quasimodo after he saves her life is enough to make most any reader give that poor man a hug. Film adaptations following The Hunchback of Notre Dame usually have at least one Woobie moment for Quasimodo as well.

While Quasi is undoubtedly a Woobie, the entry seems to focus more on the book rather than the film proper. I say we somewhat alter this entry and move it to the Literature subpage, while making a new entry for the film itself.

Agreed. Go ahead and do so.

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Thanks for the suggestion, I just moved the existing entry to Literature with a rewrite and wrote a new one for the film proper. It may be a bit bloated, so any edits are welcome.

I have a question regarding this example from Street Fighter vs. Darkstalkers:

• The Woobie: The two archaelogists who appear in issue 3. They've looking forward the lost pyramid of the jungle (which legends say contains Necalli) and just found it out after who knows how much work. Then they realize a female archeologist is there and apparently broke her ankle, so they offer her help. But as they approach the woman starts trying to seduce the guy who helps her to get up and eventually reveals she is Morrigan Aensland, who drains the poor man as soon as she got him. His friend, shocked, realizes she's a darkstalker and attemps to save his partner just for Morrigan to kill him for trying to interfere. And to add salt to the wound, as the succubus finishes draining her victim she mocks the other man's attemps to save his friend, claiming that she would've gave him "eternal bliss" if he just waited his turn. Worst of all, the two previously discussed about showing their discovery to a university, meaning that they killed moments before exposing what they found.

It should be noted that this was added by someone who has a beef with the character Morrigan and her Adaptational Villainy in the comics and was caught ban evading. From the way it's described, this sounds like bit characters that only existed to show a plot device and get killed off. Do these kinds of characters count as The Woobie or are they too minor too count?

Edited by ejmenendez on Jun 11th 2021 at 1:41:27 AM

If they added that while ban evading, the entry needs to be either cut or heavily rewritten anyway.

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Proposal for Stoic Woobie (according to the page, we can't add new ones without going to this thread):

• Chuck Greene, the mostly unflappable hero of Dead Rising 2. Before the events of the game^note an event given more detail in the Road To Fortune tie-in comic, he lost his wife to a zombie outbreak in Las Vegas, leading to his stoic attitude in the present. To go into detail, his wife was infected, forcing Chuck to put her down in order to protect their daughter Katey, but not before she was bitten by her zombified mother. Despite his recent loss, he spends little time being mournful onscreen. Instead, Chuck is more concerned about his daughter's welfare, as Katey requires daily doses of an expensive drug called "Zombrex" to prevent her from turning into a zombie. After the Vegas outbreak, Chuck's life becomes a daily struggle to make enough money to buy Zombrex, often putting his life on the line for his daughter, who is his sole reason for living at this point. Chuck rarely expresses any fear or sadness over his current situation; he's simply a person who does whatever is necessary for his loved ones. Although he remains more or less stoic throughout the game, the Bad Ending (if Katey dies) shows Chuck's composure break, losing all will to live and silently allowing himself to be Devoured by the Horde while clutching Katey's backpack.

Edited by antenna_ears on Jun 14th 2021 at 2:20:40 AM

That page is outdated then; this thread decided that it wouldn't be required a while ago.

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alright, I'm mass-deleting the commented-out section saying it requires thread approval that exists on every Stoic Woobie subpage rn

I've got a question about layout rather than specific examples.

At the moment, all the RWBY woobie examples are on a single page (The Woobie, Jerkass Woobie, Stoic Woobie, Iron Woobie). However, this is a sub-page of The Woobie (Woobie.RWBY). That means anyone who visits any of the other Woobie pages (for example, Iron Woobie), won't know there's a sub-page, and will therefore trope as if the work has no entries. After all, why would someone go searching for The Woobie to locate Iron Woobie examples?

It's very convenient and easy to keep the Woobie entries clean when they're all in one place, but it doesn't sit well in terms of where tropers should go to find existing examples and add new examples unless they visit The Woobie page.

Currently, the page has the following content: Iron Woobie (4 examples), Jerkass Woobie (2 examples), Stoic Woobie (1 example), and The Woobie (8 examples).

Should these be split and kept with their specific item? Should a note be placed on the other Woobie page saying "For examples, see Woobie.RWBY"? Should they be duplicate-posted (having examples both on the sub-page and the relevant Woobie page? Should it just be left alone?

What's the best way of handling this?

Edited by Wyldchyld on Jul 16th 2021 at 12:54:55 PM

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.