Should Pixiv be marked as closed? The option's history page shows that it prevously had strikethrough markup (before the 1.8 update disabled strikethrough in crowners), so it appears that it was reopened without permission, most likely by accident when reverting the "Bibble Bobble" text (other options had that text reverted).

Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 19th 2019 at 4:21:07 AM

Ah, someone beat me to it! Well, here's what I had to say:

With Tumblr in its death throes, I think it's time to work in a complete overhaul of the site's pages. Pretty much all of them bear the earmarks of having been written up around 2012-2013. Tumblr's entire culture has gone through so many morphs by now that it's impossible for TV Tropes' pages on it to not look incredibly dated. I'd love to open up a discussion on what should stay and go.

Death throes? I heard a lot of rumours about it going down, but that never happened.

Ehh, it's "dying" in the same sense Livejournal is — the userbase is rapidly declining, but there's no particular sign that the site is about to be full-on shut down.

With regards to twitter, it's in a bad state right now but could be retooled into something appropriate for our site.

There are twitter accounts that produce fictional, tropable content that isn't enough to have their own page. That's what should be hosted on that page, not the current examples.

Yo, nombretomado! I've been working on a rehaul of the Tumblr pages. Mind telling me how to go about Sandboxing it/getting it approved? Do I just go to Sandbox/Tumblr and paste what I've got, then create a forum post asking what people think and my suggestions for its other related pages?

A Sandbox page would suffice.

Yahoo needs a little TLC. A lot of them are related to Yahoo!Mail and Yahoo!Answers, and how it couldn't catch up on Google.

Also, they have a new logo.

Edited by alnair20aug93 on Sep 24th 2019 at 2:13:09 AM

I'm afraid I can't help for Yahoo!. I abandoned my email accounts there years ago, and the few times I've gone there to check things out, I don't like what I see.

I'd say to delete Yahoo. All of the tropes are about its operations as a RL Internet company and have nothing to do with any creative media it may have produced.

Summary.New Media probably needs comments preemptively informing people about pages we've cut or are otherwise definitely not going to get; I already commented out Time Cube and FSTDT but I don't exactly have the full list on hand.

Above Top Secret is a conspiracy theorist site that seems to be troping and mocking the users.

Hardcore Gaming 101 is coming to attention because some people want to use it to talk about a controversy it's involved in.

The trope list is pro forma and has basically nothing to do with the purpose of our wiki; it's there just to make an excuse to have the article. As far as I can tell, the site is not involved in making creative media, so has nothing to offer as a TV Tropes page.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 28th 2020 at 5:54:34 AM

I'm not seeing a problem here.

It's just innocuously troping the content of the reviews like we do any other review show or website

The problem is that reviews are not, in and of themselves, creative works.

Right; with review shows there's usually creative presentation and character (often with the review themselves being a fictionalized portrayal of themselves, being characters with fake or exaggerated opinions, rather than real people). If it's just text reviews, that creativity is lost.

That said, I'd like to cut down on troping such reviewers' opinions. Not helping is how controversial The Nostalgia Critic, Zero Punctuation, and The Mysterious Mr. Enter are; I feel like having moments pages for these guys with respect to them criticizing other shows walks the tightrope of the Rule of Cautious Editing Judgement.

Awesomeness is subjective and we don't want to tear down other people's fun too much. As long as the examples are about how, say, Yahtzee expresses his eternal disdain for the boneheaded decisions of Developer X and not how boneheaded Developer X is, there shouldn't be a problem.

It's indisputable that ZP represents creative effort. Again, if it's just reviews in text or without any particular embellishment or attempt to create a persona, it's not tropable.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 28th 2020 at 9:41:39 AM

Prose is still a creative outlet with presentation and personality created by the tone and wording of the narrating voice and if you argue it somehow has less merit than videos containing the exact same form of content that's opening an entirely new can of worms.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Jan 28th 2020 at 7:54:10 AM

Well, if there is anything interesting to say about it in terms of tropes, why doesn't the article say so? That's also a gross distortion of what is being said here.

I'm not disputing that prose has literary merit or whatever the hell you're arguing. However, unless it contains tropes, like what we document on this site, it's not tropable on our site.

Edited by Fighteer on Jan 28th 2020 at 10:54:05 AM

The tropes provide plenty of content no different than what we'd trope from the reviews in video format.

The only difference is were actively reading the script for the review instead of having it read to us by a video host.

First, if you are involved with the site as more than a fan, you don't get any special say in this discussion.

Second, I just read through the trope list again. Not a single example in the article is about creative content. The subjective subpages are similarly bare.

Third, as far as I can see, the main purpose of the article is to list all the works they've reviewed, which is not pertinent information.

Therefore the article does not meet our standards and should be removed. If you are disputing that, provide some content that would allow it to be kept.

I'm afraid there's none, unfortunately. I recommend the removal of the page.

I have nothing to do with the site and I've never even read it, I think everything on the wiki should have fair treatment and see zero problems with the page. I appreciate being accused of things, though.

As for tropes:

• Description Cut: The first second thought on the dubious idea of licensing Valis out to an H-Game developer: "Maybe this is respectful. Maybe it's a well-crafted narrative with the sex scenes merely as an aside, like YU-NO. Maybe it's..." And then follows a screenshot of a tentacle rape scene from Valis X, with SD Valis sprites as Scenery Censor and the caption "FIVE. GODDAMN. MINUTES. LATER."
• Halloween Episode: The week of October 31 is often dedicated to reviewing spooky video games such as:
  • 2014: CarnEvil, Nosferatu, Porky Pig's Haunted Holiday
  • 2015: Nightmare in the Dark, Escape from Monster Manor, Golly! Ghost, Laser Ghost, Drac's Night Out
  • 2016: Deep Fear, Mystic Riders, Downfall, Chiller, Midnight Mutants
  • 2017: Zombie Revenge, MediEvil, Costume Quest
• Retraux: A mockup cover of Hardcore Gaming 101 as a 90s gaming magazine. (No longer available after the site redesign, see the YMMV page for details)

There's your three tropes picked out off the page right there and I was really picky about which ones I was gonna include just to be safe. That fufills the rules for the page right there.

Edited by CryptidProductions on Jan 30th 2020 at 12:45:55 PM

I don't think that's adequate enough, because it would require at least 5 tropes. I vote for removal.

...Why 5 tropes? The limit is 3.