We are already splitting the examples. By subject. We don't want to list inaccuracies, except when they are useful for YKTTW, and that works only when they are split by subject.
The index stays on the main page.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
We seem to have a misunderstanding in progress.
What do you mean by "subject", then? That's too broad of a term and not standard from what I remember.
If the "subjects" are going to be on separate pages, then you're creating defacto Trope pages based on those subjects, bypassing YKTTW.
Subject is for example "physics", "biology". Notice that "inaccuracies by subject" isn't any more of a trope than "inaccuracies". Also, we had a previous crowner that decided that. It's linked from the current one.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
My apologies. I forgot that we already had that format on the Artistic License – Indexes. And that DNDTR was a "no example" index.
Still, that begs the question of how we organize the pages outside of the Artistic License – Indexes. Granted several of these currently on the Did Not Do The Research page can be considered subtropes of currently listed subjects, but some are not. Perhaps we can prepare by adjusting the master index to the extent that we can (i.e. those Licenses that can be classified under an extant subject).
I imagine the page as like this -
Media get all sorts of things wrong. Here are some tropes that cover that:
Miscellaneous inaccuracies go into the following subpages until they have been built into trope pages:
- Inaccuracies Index.Biology
- Inaccuracies Index.Physics
- Inaccuracies Index.Trains
edited 27th Aug '12 10:27:33 PM by Routerie
^Pretty much the desirable state.
Also, Inaccuracies Index is now in the lead.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Will we apply the changes to Artistic License – Indexes to Somewhere This Index Is Crying as well? It's basically the same subpages, but under a different name (and there was previous consensus to turn the latter into the former).
Same question with Art Major Biology, which had consensus for merging into Artistic License – Biology AFAIK.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Somewhere An Xoloist Is Crying is pretty blatantly the same as X Does Not Work That Way and Artistic License X. Art Major Physics redirects to Artistic License – Physics, and Art Major Biology should do the equivalent.
Ravenous Sophovore
Calling crowner in favor of Inaccuracies Index.
Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
Did the preliminary stages of the merger. Now we need to do, since I am getting crosseyed:
- Decide on what to do with Space Does No T Work That Way and Art Major Biology - my idea is to merge the latter into InaccuraciesIndex.Biology and to keep the former.
- Change Artistic License to reflect the previous crowner. My idea here is:
- Ditch the index.
- Expand it to inaccuracies as well as intentional errors.
- Clean up the wicks.
- Edit Inaccuracies Index and subpages to reflect that they have accidental as well as deliberate things.
- Merge the Somewhere This X Is Crying and Artistic License X into Inaccuracies Index.X:
- Copy the source into the subpage and set the page type.
- Move indexes over to Inaccuracies Index, except for the entries in that index.
- Holler to get the discussion moved, if any.
- Cutlist subpages.
- Redirect the page to Inaccuracies Index.
- Clean the wicks up:
- Resolve double redirects.
- Delete or move wicks to fitting places.
- Cutlist de-wicked and de-inbounded redirects.
In uffish thought
Double redirects are fixed.
That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.
Any X Does Not Work Thast Way / Xologist Is Crying / Artistic License X page that takes both examples and subtropes should have its examples moved to the appropriate Inaccuracies Index.X page. The question is, what to do with the index once its examples have been moved elsewhere?
I agree that Space Does Not Work That Way should remain as an index. However, Its name encourages people to use it as a trope. We should rename this and similar Inaccuracies Index subindexes to discourage potholes and trope use.
We have several pages in the Hollywood Style index that need to be managed in this manner. Some are equivalent to Inaccuracies Index.X. Some serve as indexes. Some are outside terms.
If we must apply our course of action to Hollywood X pages that currently work as Artistic License X pages, the following articles must have their examples put on the appropriate Inaccuracies Index.X page.
- Hollywood Costuming -> Inaccuracies Index.Costuming
- Hollywood Density -> Inaccuracies Index.Density
- Hollywood Genetics -> Inaccuracies Index.Genetics
- Hollywood Law -> Inaccuracies Index.Law
- Hollywood Science -> Inaccuracies Index.Science
- Hollywood Psych -> Inaccuracies Index.Psychology
- Hollywood Tactics -> InaccuraciesIndex.Military Tactics
- Hollywood Sailing-> Inaccuracies Index.Ships (as per TRS discussion
)
However, the following articles (some Hollywood, some Artistic Licence,) are currently indexes, and the large Inaccuracies Index page could use subindexes. I think we should pick a standard name format ("Inaccurate X Tropes"?) for these subindexes.
- Artistic License - Astronomy
- Artistic License – Biology
- Hollywood Economics
- Hollywood Evolution
- Hollywood History
- Artistic License – Linguistics
- Artistic License – Medicine
- Artistic License – Pharmacology
- Artistic License – Physics
- Hollywood Psych
- Hollywood Science
The following is an outside term and should be retained, even if its examples and subtropes go elsewhere:
edited 30th Aug '12 2:00:56 AM by Routerie
Holloywood Sailing is being merged with Artistic License – Ships, so don't bother with that.
And we'll then change that page to Inaccuracies Index.Ships.
Let's also compile a comprehensive list of the new subpages.
- Inaccuracies Index.Astronomy: Artistic License - Astronomy
- InaccuraciesIndex.Animal Care: Artistic License – Animal Care
- Inaccuracies Index.Awards: Artistic License – Awards
- Inaccuracies Index.Biology: Artistic License – Biology, Art Major Biology
- Inaccuracies Index.Birds: Somewhere, an Ornithologist Is Crying
- Inaccuracies Index.Chemistry: Artistic License – Chemistry
- Inaccuracies Index.Christianity: Artistic License – Traditional Christianity
- Inaccuracies Index.Costuming: Hollywood Costuming
- Inaccuracies Index.Density: Hollywood Density
- Inaccuracies Index.Dinosaurs: Somewhere A Palaeontologist Is Crying
- Inaccuracies Index.Economics: Artistic License – Economics
- Inaccuracies Index.Engineering: Artistic License – Engineering
- InaccuraciesIndex.Film Production: You Fail Film School Forever
- InaccuraciesIndex.First Aid: Worst Aid
- Inaccuracies Index.Genetics: Hollywood Genetics
- Inaccuracies Index.Geography: Artistic License – Geography
- Inaccuracies Index.Geology: Artistic License – Geology
- InaccuraciesIndex.Gun Safety: Artistic License – Gun Safety
- Inaccuracies Index.History: Artistic License – History
- Inaccuracies Index.Horses: Somewhere, an Equestrian Is Crying
- Inaccuracies Index.Insects: Somewhere, an Entomologist Is Crying
- Inaccuracies Index.Law: Hollywood Law, Artistic License – Law
- Inaccuracies Index.Linguistics: Artistic License – Linguistics
- Inaccuracies Index.Mammals: Somewhere, a Mammalogist Is Crying
- InaccuraciesIndex.Martial Arts: Artistic License – Martial Arts
- Inaccuracies Index.Medicine: Artistic License – Medicine
- Inaccuracies Index.Music: Artistic License – Music
- Inaccuracies Index.Mythology: Sadly Mythtaken
- InaccuraciesIndex.Nuclear Policy: A Nuclear Error
- InaccuraciesIndex.Nuclear Science: Artistic License – Nuclear Physics
- Inaccuracies Index.Physics: Artistic License – Physics
- Inaccuracies Index.Pharmacology: Artistic License – Pharmacology
- Inaccuracies Index.Planes: Just Plane Wrong
- Inaccuracies Index.Religion: Artistic License – Religion
- Inaccuracies Index.Reptiles: Somewhere, a Herpetologist Is Crying
- Inaccuracies Index.Science: Hollywood Science
- Inaccuracies Index.Ships: Hollywood Sailing, Artistic License – Ships
- Inaccuracies Index.Statistics: Artistic License – Statistics
- Inaccuracies Index.Symbology: Symbology Research Failure
- Inaccuracies Index.Military: Artistic License – Military
- InaccuraciesIndex.Military Tactics: Hollywood Tactics
- Inaccuracies Index.Psychology: Hollywood Psych
- Inaccuracies Index.Trains: Just Train Wrong
edited 2nd Sep '12 4:11:18 PM by Routerie
^I am going to say that, since we only voted on the Artistic License – Indexes subpages, that we are only moving these pages as for now. The others will need more discussion.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Good point, agreed.
Question: how should the Artistic License - Whatever entries in trope lists be reformatted? If they're linked to from trope descriptions, obviously they can just be replaced by the appropriate entry in the Inaccuracies Index, but if, for example, Artistic License - Astronomy (to use an example that is now redirected to Astronomy) appears in a trope list, by what should it be replaced? Or should the entry just be cut altogether?
I ask as I'm running into quite a lot of these in getting rid of Did Not Do The Research wicks (and probably created a few soon-to-be-renamed wicks along the way - sorry).
If there is a trope for these, replace. Otherwise: Delete.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Fair enough, but, for example, InaccuraciesIndex.Astronomy would show up in a trope list as Astronomy, which reads as though the trope being invoked is astronomy itself (fascinating as the physics of celestial objects may be, it's not exactly a trope), not misrepresenting astronomical principles either due to ignorance or for dramatic effect. How should it be formatted in a trope list - if it should even be included at all?
For that matter, since I'm finding Did Not Do The Research in trope lists on main work pages, YMMV pages, and Trivia pages - as big a sign as any that this renaming did not happen before time - are the Inaccuracy tropes YMMV, Trivia, or neither?
edited 31st Aug '12 4:04:03 PM by mlsmithca
It is not supposed to be in a trope list. Any such entry shoudl be changed to a proper trope or deleted.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Got it. Concentrating on Did Not Do The Research for now (A-L and X-Z done so far), but I'll keep my eye out for Artistic License - Whatever wicks as well.
edited 1st Sep '12 11:11:15 PM by mlsmithca
The index now has a very long list of tropes, but it actually only tracks a fraction of all our inaccuracies tropes. For example, we have an entire index just devoted to gun error tropes, few of which appear on the main Inaccuracies index.
Should we try to expand the main index to list every subtrope? Or should we go the other route and move tropes to the sub-indexes where possible?
We might also talk about standardinzing the names of these subindexes, preferably to names that cannot be mistaken for tropes. I suggest modeling it after the main index - Inaccuracy Tropes.Physics etc.
edited 2nd Sep '12 4:05:24 PM by Routerie
What is this? Just leave it at Artistic License: Subject.
This is accomplishing nothing except making work. You do recall that we went though a massive undertaking over months to get it to Artistic License?
In any case "Inaccuracies Index" is an awful choice, no matter what the crowner says.
Let's come back to this in maybe a year or so, or when absolutely everything else has been finished.
I've set Did Not Do The Research to perma-red. That was the real complaint, right? Misuse of that link?
edited 3rd Sep '12 12:19:31 AM by FastEddie
Goal: Clear, Concise and Witty
Why did you wait until now to post that, after some work has been done?
Crown Description:
Note: None of these entries are mutually exclusive. Please exercise judgment For the record:- Did Not Do The Research is an index of tropes about inaccuracies in media.
- "subitems of Artistic License Indexes" are pages of the "Artistic License - X" family that hold lists of inaccuracies in subject matter X as proto-tropes and example stores for future tropes. They sometimes hold indexes of tropes about inaccuracies in subject X as well.
- Artistic License Indexes is an index of the pages of the "Artistic License - X" family, i.e the "subitems of Artistic License Indexes". It should not have any actual tropes on it.
Perhaps I should specify:
Personally, I do see worth in categorizing inaccuracies (trope) by genre/medium if certain inaccuracies are used primarily in that genre/medium.
The reasons why I'd set up examples pages by medium is in anticipation of the Loads And Loads Of Examples that this merge will generate, as well as preventing the index itself from being overwhelmed by the same. Because we're going to have a lot of cleanup to do to get the new Tropes. So much that I'd ask for a standing Special Effort to keep this project going.