Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need a crowner vote.
As per Real Life Troping, we never trope unscripted real life sports — so sports tropes where RL examples would only apply to those scenarios don't need a crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by Mrph1 on May 13th 2024 at 9:30:24 AM
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I wouldn't mind it on the crowner, and I would say while I don't think any of them are really ROCEJ violations, it does seem a little distasteful to dismiss these conflicts where real people died as "silly reasons".
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I'll do that cleanup today.
EDIT: I cleaned up Lover and Beloved and added a note in the description clarifying the kind of material not allowed on that page under NRLEP. If I missed any dubious examples, feel free to delete them.
Edited by MonaNaito on Aug 29th 2022 at 2:54:14 PM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling the following for NRLEP:
The following will have to wait two more days because they're too close to a 2:1 ratio to call today (I checked and the ones with a 2:43 ratio are exactly one vote away from 2:1):
Screw This, I'm Outta Here should be safe to call tomorrow, but the crowner will have to wait one more day after that due to the three Anti-[whatever] tropes that need to wait two more days.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Next crowner will be:
- Please Wake Up (too common, potentially upsetting content)
- False Dichotomy (too common, ROCEJ issues)
- Celibate Hero (morality)
- Elves vs. Dwarves (impossible)
- Sadist Teacher (morality, attracted misuse)
- Dysfunctional Family (too common, gossip, and attracting ROCEJ violations, many of its subtropes are already ROCEJ)
- Rules of the Road (narrative trope (this trope means signs are Literal-Minded, which is also impossible in real life), all the examples are misuse as "signs mean what they say" is too common)
- Everything Is An I Pod In The Future (All the examples are misuse as they discuss current technology, extant technology that resembles Apple products is Follow the Leader and not this trope, and anything that would fit the trope would be speculative,)
- Lantern Jaw of Justice (personal appearance trope, moral judgement)
- Forehead of Doom (see above)
- No Pregger Sex (sex trope, ROCEJ in the form of unlicensed medical advice)
- There Should Be a Law (too common, attracting complaining and ROCEJ violations)
- I Just Shot Marvin in the Face (too common)
- Silly Reason for War (controversial, possibly a narrative trope)
And two options each for The Alleged Car and Crappy Carnival - make them NRLEP or transfer their content to their respective So Bad, It's Horrible subpages (merging the Crappy Carnival examples into the "Rides" subpage and building new and improved Cars subpage like a phoenix out of the ashes of the Permanent Red Link Club).
That's 16 tropes, 18 crowner entries taking into account the NRLEP vs. SBIH tropes. Perhaps The Alleged Car and Crappy Carnival's situations should be crownered on the SBIH tread instead?
Edited by MissConduct on Aug 31st 2022 at 3:44:52 PM
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Perhaps one of the reasons why Anti-Vehicle doesn't have the 2:1 ratio is that unlike the other anti- tropes, Anti-Vehicle has civilian examples.
Regardless, I am in favour of removing real-life examples anyways.
Edited by Nen_desharu on Aug 31st 2022 at 10:17:21 AM
Kirby is awesome.
Going to bring up All Love Is Unrequited as a crowner candidate for crowner after next, I guess. It's way too common, a narrative trope, and all of the current RL examples are sucky. "You've probably been in a situation like this before" does not a good RL example make.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I fully intend to get around to that as soon as I've taken care of the last three options (whether that means indexing them as NRLEP or KRLE). I'm just waiting for the current crowner to finish up.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling Screw This, I'm Outta Here for NRLEP.
Just one more day and we can replace the crowner.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Can I now add Tattooed Crook to Morality Tropes, since it has been approved for Gossip and Stereotypes?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
No need. I just added a note saying "Also a morality trope" next to its listing on Gossip and Stereotypes, since there were already other tropes on that index that had "Also a morality trope" notes next to them.
Looking at KillerRabbit.Real Life, I wonder if this may be too common to list. Just about any animal can get aggressive under the right circumstances, and it seems to attract examples that stretch it in terms of whether or not it's surprising the animal would be like that (for example, there are hippos and moose listed, both of which are huge animals and plenty of people are scared of them).
crossposting from the NRLEP criteria discussion thread for visibility in the thread it's relevant to:
i know the idea of requiring discussion participation in order to vote on the crowner has been rejected before, but im increasingly feeling like that's the only measure that would fully solve this issue.
lurkers, this is directed at you. if you regularly downvote crowner items on the NRLEP thread, i am on my knees begging you to participate here. you want a picture? ill take a picture. please, please, help us solve this.
Discarded and Feeling Blue
The hippo entry is particularly comedic since anyone who knows anything about hippos knows those guys are deadly. It's common knowledge about the animal; it's not some cute small thing that's unexpectedly dangerous.
Edited by WarJay77 on Sep 1st 2022 at 4:29:30 AM
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
Goku Black
Man that list is bizzare?
Orcas really? I don't think anyone would think freaking killer whales are small but unexpectedly dangerous animals.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Personally, I would vote for a cleanup of the Killer Rabbit examples without making it NRLEP. It's a trope with a very clear-cut definition (1. small 2. harmless-looking 3. deadly), people have just misused it to hell and back. Have the non-Real Life pages attracted similar misuse? This could be a Square Peg Round Trope problem and not just a Real Life section problem.
fair point. if it looks like there's still a problem after cleanup we can revisit it.
Discarded and Feeling Blue
Eh, I feel like it's a bit too common (since as mentioned almost all animals can be deadly), but I see your point.
Currently Working On: Incorruptible Pure Pureness
A quick look at the non-RL use of the trope shows that it is for the most part used correctly (a few examples could be trimmed, but no one seems to be misunderstanding the basic cute + small + incredibly lethal concept).
The RL section on the other hand ... it starts with about half a dozen general examples, and just goes on and on from there.
The basic problem is that any animal can be considered cute (as opposed to fiction where creators can easily signify that a creature is supposed to be cute), and as mentioned previously, every animal has the potential to be quite deadly. So I'm not sure a cleanup (and that page is huge, the cleanup would take a long time) would be the best solution here. I would say cut for being too common, it is bloated and will only grow from here.
I didn't choose the troping life, the troping life chose me
I did a quick cleanup of Killer Rabbit, eliminating things that clearly missed the "small" criteria. Didn't really check for "cute" or "deadly", since those are more subjective.
I could also see an argument that Killer Rabbit is, in usage, a narrative trope, since as previously mentioned most fictional examples are more obviously played to be "cute" than RL animals. I'd put it on the crowner.
I think it might be a good idea to nominate Pariah Prisoner for being both too common and ROCEJ violation bait.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Calling the following for NRLEP:
Calling the following for KRLE:
I'll replace the crowner after taking care of these.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
OK, the new crowner's up. Feel free to go ahead and add to it, or maybe I can later (I just got out of bed).
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Nintendo Fanatic Extraordinaire
Mentioned boom barriers to Anti-Vehicle to ensure that real-life examples of that trope can be kept and I have clarified that the trope also includes civilian vehicles.
Kirby is awesome.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I added the crowner options listed in this post. If I missed anything (or of the creator of that post missed anything), go ahead and add it.
Crown Description:
Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- The item have been on the crowne for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
