Note: If a newly launched trope was already given a No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only designation while it was being drafted on the Trope Launch Pad, additions to the proper index do not need to go through this thread. Instead, simply ask the mods to add the trope via this thread
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This is the thread to report tropes with problematic Real Life sections.
Common problems include:
- Conversation on the Main Page
- Flame Bait
- Squicky content
- Impossible in Real Life
Real Life sections on the wiki are kept as long as they don't become a problem. If you find an article with such problems, report it here. Please note that the purpose of this thread is to clean up and maintain real life sections, not raze them. Cutting should be treated as a last resort, so please only suggest cutting RL sections or a subset thereof you think the examples in question are completely unsalvageable.
If historical RL examples are not causing any problems, consider whether it would be better to propose a No Recent Examples, Please! (via this forum thread) for RL instead of NRLEP. If RL examples are causing problems only for certain subjects, consider whether a Limited Real Life Examples Only restriction would be preferable to NRLEP.
If you think a trope should be No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only, then this thread is the place to discuss it. However, please check Keep Real Life Examples first to see if it has already been brought up in the past. If not, state the reasons and add it to the crowner.
Before adding to the crowner:
- The trope should be proposed in the thread, along with reasons for why a crowner is necessary instead of a cleanup.
- There must be support from others in thread.
- Any objections should be addressed.
- Allow a minimum of 24 hours for discussion.
When adding to the crowner:
- Be sure to add the trope name, a link to where the discussion started, the reasons for crownering, whether the restriction being proposed is NRLEP or LRLEO (and in the latter case, which subject(s) the restriction would be for), and the date added.
- Announce in thread that you are adding the item.
- An ATT advert should be made as well (batch items together if more than one trope goes up in a day).
In order for a crowner to pass:
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- There must be a 2:1 ratio
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple extra days to see if any more votes come in
- Once passed, tropes must be indexed on the appropriate NRLEP index
- Should the vote fail, the trope should be indexed on KRLE page
Sex Tropes, Rape and Sexual Harassment Tropes, and Morality Tropes are banned from having RL sections so tropes under those indexes don't need crowner vote.
Crowner entries that have already been called will have "(CLOSED)" appended to them — and are no longer open for discussion.
After bringing up a trope for discussion, please wait at least a day for feedback before adding it to the crowner.
NRLEP tag:
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LRLEO tag:
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Notes:
- This thread is not for general discussion regarding policies for Real Life sections or crowners. Please take those conversations to this Wiki Talk thread.
- Do not try to overturn previous No Real Life Examples, Please! or Limited Real Life Examples Only decisions without a convincing argument.
- As mentioned here, the consensus is that NRLEP warnings in trope page descriptions can use bold text so that they stand out.
- The [[noreallife]] tag doesn't currently work. This is a deprecated tag that was introduced many years ago — originally, it would have displayed a NRLEP warning banner when you edited the page. However, there's been some staff conversation (Feb 2024) about what a new technical solution might look like, so we'd advise against deleting these from pages, at least until we have a decision as to whether it'll be fixed or replaced.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 8th 2024 at 10:49:13 AM
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
The [[noreallife]] markup exists for NRLEP pages, but I'm not exactly sure what it does, especially since I don't think all NRLEP pages have it.
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Oh yeah good point. But maybe reword on-page NRLEP notices from "please don't add real life examples" to something along the lines of "don't expect to see real life examples here." The former is telling tropers not to add them, while the latter seems more reader-appropriate.
The [[noreallife]] markup used to replace the editing tip with a "no real life examples" warning when editing a page with that status. But for some reason it no longer works. note
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I've previously just added non-potholed links to the No Real Life Examples, Please! page to pages that received the NRLEP status. I feel like seeing the index's name alone, even if it isn't clicked on, is enough to tell both editors and readers that they aren't allowed, rather than giving a custom explanation of some sort.
That said, I would be fine with adding a plain-text note to readers that simply says there are no real life examples on the page, while having a commented-out note, possibly with more details, telling editors not to add them.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Mar 6th 2020 at 4:55:10 AM
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No-lifer
Then what about bolded NRLEP notices? I don't think they need to be that imposing, so should they be de-bolded?
EDIT: Turns out we should remove bold markup from most notices.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Mar 19th 2020 at 8:33:34 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Recently, the Bitch in Sheep's Clothing Trope was added on the NRLEP in the Morality Tropes subsection (given that it's the opposite of Jerk with a Heart of Gold (which is also on that subsection), so it looks like my wish came true), I would like to propose that Took a Level in Kindness be added there (as it's the opposite of Took a Level in Jerkass, which is also there). Shall I put it on the crowner?
Also it appears someone moved Yandere around without discussing first so shall I move it back until we can discuss it?
Edited by Tehrannotaur on Mar 18th 2020 at 5:07:27 AM
No-lifer
I don't think moving tropes to a different section requires discussion. It's just adding them to NRLEP when discussion is needed. And by the looks of it, Took a Level in Kindness does not have a real life sectionnote , so no need for it to be added.
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It may not have had a real life section, but someone added a stealth RL example in the Music folder, bashing Courtney Love. That's why we made it NRLEP, although we never wanted real life examples of that trope in the first place.
Edited by FridgeGuy2016 on Mar 19th 2020 at 8:57:01 AM
Limpin' with the bizkit.
Bitch in Sheep's Clothing didn't have a real-life section during the crowner but it was added in anyway so. Also, Took a Level in Kindness implies that the person started as a jerkass (a NRLEP morality trope) so that's another justification for it being on the list. And you just brought up stealth examples in BISC being the reason for the crowner and you also brought up stealth examples for TALIK
Guess I'll move it back till further notice
UPDATE: Relocated Yandere From Morality to Sex then Gossip & Stereotypes
Edited by Tehrannotaur on Mar 19th 2020 at 7:53:09 AM
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Ain't broke, don't fix.
If there's no real life section, there's nothing for this thread to fix.
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Ridiculous Future Inflation may need a look. Hard to find a real-life example that qualifies for Ridiculous Exchange Rates instead.
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No-lifer
Sounds like the trope is impossible in real life, so it should be NRLEP.note
Is the trope "ridiculous levels of inflation" or "ridiculous levels of inflation in the future?" I'm leaning toward the latter, but it's unclear. (Add the usual misuse, Not a Subversion, etc.)
I always thought Ridiculous Future Inflation was the extrapolation of inflation into another setting (i.e. your "ridiculous inflation in the future" summary). The RL section is currently mostly about inflation incidents that had happened instead of narrative extrapolation.
I'd be all for making Ridiculous Future Inflation NRLEP.
Edited by Albert3105 on Mar 20th 2020 at 3:36:49 AM
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I'm down with adding it to the crowner, to make it official.
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No, the other one.
My interpretation is that the point of Ridiculous Future Inflation is to show that things have changed, and therefore the work is set in the future. The description waffles on too much about the details of economics, but I think that the trope doesn't require the inflation to be mathematically implausible. It just needs to sound silly or surprise the characters by how different it is.
Anyway, current-day hyperinflation is a different animal, so those RL examples don't fit in the first place.
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Put it on the list as misuse. FWIW, the info about RL economics can go on Analysis/.
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DarkestHour.Real Life is a thing. ATT wants to cut it. I do, too.
Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 21st 2020 at 3:30:09 PM
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to getting rid of Darkest Hour. It's beyond salvation.
The moment I saw that title while browsing ATT - without even reading the post - my instant thought process was "that's a thing? Why??" I definitely support prohibiting RL examples.
Third for Darkest Hour being no-real life.
No, the other one.
Darkest Hour is a section of the narrative mood curve. To apply it to real life would mean you have to limit real life into a specific segment and point of view, which means making it into a story.
I don't think it can apply to real life, because it's a narrative trope.
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One more vote here for getting rid of Darkest Hour's real life page.
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Blapper of Water
On March 18, ~Tehrannotaur asked if Took a Level in Kindness should be added to the crowner. On March 19, ~Fridge Guy 2016 said there was no need to add it, since there is no real life section. I myself said that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. However, on March 18, the same day he asked, Tehrannotaur added Took a Level in Kindness to the crowner.
Is it alright if we remove Took a Level in Kindness from the crowner? If not on the grounds that there is nothing to discuss (since it doesn't have a RL section in the first place), then at least on the grounds that people said not to add it but the troper added it to the crowner anyway — honestly he added it before anyone had a chance to agree or disagree.
[EDIT: Also, there seems to be a recurring problem with this troper and understanding that a trope needs to have a RL section before it comes to this thread to be cut or kept, as seen starting from this post about Good Animals, Evil Animals.]
[EDIT 2: This is weird. They also proposed Bishōnen Line here, but according to the page's history there never was a RL section to begin with — evidenced by the fact that the section never shows up in the history as having been deleted. There is also this post calling for Bitch in Sheep's Clothing and Took a Level in Kindness to be NRLEP, which nobody bought into until he brought it up again recently in March 2020.
Can we remove Bishōnen Line and Bitch in Sheep's Clothing from the NRLEP status? There was never a reason to add them even to the crowner in the first place. (Note that ~Lord Gro was the one to propose and add Bitch in Sheep's Clothing to the crowner in February 2020.)]
Edited by WaterBlap on Mar 21st 2020 at 4:02:10 AM
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
Get rid of DarkestHour.Real Life. We don't need any fear-mongering around here and I see no benefit in keeping it.
Edited by thecarolinabull01 on Mar 21st 2020 at 7:10:04 AM
I concur with AnotherDuck that Darkest Hour is first and foremost a narrative structure trope and thus should be impossible IRL. The Real Life section is currently just a list of devastating incidents; far from the trope's scope. I don't mind it being made NRLEP.
Documentaries, books, other media, etc. calling a real-life period a Darkest Hour should be filed under the appropriate media section, since even documentary media can run on narratives within themselves.
Edited by Albert3105 on Mar 21st 2020 at 5:22:03 AM
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Vote up to either forbid all real life examples (No Real Life Examples Please) or forbid real life examples for specific subjects (Limited Real Life Examples Only); vote down to Keep Real Life Examples. To add a trope to a No Real Life Examples Please index or the Limited Real Life Examples Only index, its crowner option must meet the following criteria:- Stable 2:1 ratio needed for NRLEP or LRLEO
- Must have been up for a minimum of a week
- If the vote is exactly 2:1 or +/- 1 vote from that, give it a couple of extra days to see if more votes come in.
Readers can still be told that the page does not have real life examples.
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