Split into Subtropes: Our Zombies Are Different

Our Monsters Are Different is about monsters that depart from accepted monster types. And Our Zombies Are Different lists some of those - in one subsection, listed "O - other," or "Our Zombies Are Really Different." The remainder of the article lists accepted zombie monster types, each conveniently titled and sectioned off.

To obey the page's intended definition, we must either:

1. Rename the page to "Zombies," "Zombie Types" (or some witty equivalent) and split off the list of aberrant zombies as Our Zombies Are Different, or
2. Give each zombie type its own page

Well...that's not how I would put it. It's really more about how there are certain basic elements to different types of monsters, but the specific portrayal differs from work to work. Monsters that are nothing like anything else would just be Our Monsters Are Weird.

Our Zombies Are Different seems okay to me. It's normal and expected for common zombie traits to be documented on the Our X Are Different page. The biggest problem I'm seeing is that Type Labels Are Not Examples—we should really do away with the lettered labeling.

However, those different types of zombies are valid subtropes.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I actually agree with splitting. Voodoo Zombie and Walking Dead Zombie are my suggestions for names.

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I agree with giving the subtropes their own pages. (More of these tropes should have subtropes. Our Vampires Are Different does, and it's better for it.) I think Our Zombies Are Different can stay mostly the same as it is now.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

If we give the subtropes their own pages (an idea I like) won't much of the current page's content go to them?

Hopefully, yes.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

The supertrope would end up holding all the "Other" examples and maybe "Mishmash."

And is Our Vampires Are Different a good model of the page? That page seems to have a very long description, bordering on Useful Notes status.

IMO we need to split that up as well Vampires are so wildly different that its rather insane.

Japanese Vampire, Vampire Classic, Goth Vampire, Chinese Vampire etc.

edited 22nd Feb '12 1:43:41 PM by Raso

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Well, Looks Like Orlok, Chinese Vampire, Classical Movie Vampire, Dhampyr, Vampire Vords, and Vegetarian Vampire are certainly good examples of subtropes.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

I think the current "types" are kind of a mess. It's a mix of how they're created, how they act, and want they want — and there's a ton of overlap. I think we'd need to narrow down exactly what splits we're making before anything else.

The two main subtypes of zombie I can think of are "slave" zombies (created by Applied Phlebotinum to serve their creators, though they may resist their control or turn against them) and "viral" zombies (wander uncontrolled, turning other people into more zombies — the Zombie Apocalypse type zombie). Pretty much everything else (eg, Technically-Living Zombie) is more like a variation than a mutually-exclusive subtype.

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I don't think overlap is bad, if we give them separate pages. With separate pages, we can safely say that a given zombie movie is an example of the Plague Bearing Zombie trope and the Revenant Zombie trope, if its' zombies are both.

I agree many times it is just Mix And Match Zombie Elements instead of "different" like they have got a list and just checkmark off common elements they like.

Works pages can easily go

• Zombie Yada yada
  • Plague Bearing Zombie Yada Yada
  • Revenant Zombie Yada Yada

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What's a revenant zombie?

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They are the literal undead animated corpses type but still have their own mind, talk and such (although can be rather twisted). Kore Wa Zombie Desu Ka or the english title Is This A Zombie is this.

Plague types are Resident Evil World War Z style ones.

edited 22nd Feb '12 2:30:57 PM by Raso

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Then you forgot to list Voodoo Zombie as a sub trope.

Also I did not ask what a plague zombie was. Furthermore, you forgot to note Night Of The Living Dead as an example of that sub trope? For shame. Turn in your zombie fan card.

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How they are created types are

• Voodoo (Black Magic) Zombie: created or summoned via magic
• Construct Zombie... Zombies reanimated with Science IMO this can be merged with Frankenstein Monster
• Plague Bearing: usually the Degeneration type zombie was once living till the Virus made them mindless.
• Parasite Zombie: Consumed and controlled by parasites like the Flood in Halo.
• Techno Zombie: Zombies consumed by tech like the borg in Star Trek TNG usually are a Cyborg or infected with Nanites.

What they are or do

• Flesh-Eating Zombie: The Mindless variety operating on instints and want eat the living, Plague-Bearing ones usually create new ones via this others just eat the corpse.
• Hive Mind: controlled via some higher power like The flood in halo or Techno Zombies.
• Mindless Slave Zombie: Zombies that just un-live to serve their master. (some vampires have the ability to do this to their victims)
• Revenant Zombie: Zombies that retain their old mind or parts of it they maybe intelligent normal people in the mind but actually undead, (May be after the person who killed them) some examples of this make a gag out of it by having parts fall off and such. (World Of Warcraft's The Forsaken are this.)

Ways to get rid of one

• Revive Kills Zombie:
• Off with His Head!: Headshots kill Zombie
• Kill It with Fire:
• Technically-Living Zombie: these are not considered "Undeath" can get cured via whatever.
• Sliding Scale of Undead Regeneration

Every one of these seems good enough for its own page. The Mix And Match will usually come from taking one element from each category to create the base of a Zombie.

edited 22nd Feb '12 3:36:17 PM by Raso

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Living Zombie is Technically-Living Zombie.

Rhymes with "Protracted."

Voodoo Zombie, Construct Zombie, Plague Bearing, Parasite Zombie, Techno Zombie...

Can't help but notice that your zombie types would leave out Night Of The Living Dead and Return Of The Living Dead. Which category includes people exposed to some kind of chemical that causes them to come back alive once they're dead?

That sounds a lot like the plague bearing types which get created by Virus, plagues, chemicals etc.

Some of these are just the names on our current page they can be named differently and such.

edited 22nd Feb '12 4:02:07 PM by Raso

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So does anyone have any objection to splitting off the subtropes? If anyone speaks up, we'll do a crowner for that. If not, we can jump straight to one for figuring out what kind of subtropes.

It sounds like we're making a zombie index, rather than thinking of subtropes of Our Zombies Are Different. If we're trying to make zombie subtropes, then they should be mutually exclusive subtypes (like Our Vampires Are Different with Chinese Vampire, Classical Movie Vampire, Looks Like Orlok, etc). If we're just collecting different traits that may or may not apply to zombies, then I don't think they deserve their own subtropes.

edited 23rd Feb '12 4:01:34 PM by NativeJovian

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I got a holler to attach a crowner to this thread, but the crowner in the holler was for another trope. I don't see a link for one here, either.

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