General Page Quote Discussion:

Alright, I definitely misread it then, I kept read it as something else and the order of the speakers confused me too. But that was a brain fart on my end.

The Creepy Old-Fashioned Diving Suit trope is to be launched today, does someone have a good idea for a quote?

Ideally, you should consult about it on the draft itself. But if no one has anything to suggest there, and nothing comes to your mind either, then you'll have to launch the trope without one.

Edited by MyFinalEdits on Apr 25th 2022 at 12:18:08 PM

Oh gee - How do you do when the discussion jumps to another page? Um, anyways No Username, here's the full passage from Platypus Comix from which a segment is used for the page quote on Breakaway Pop Hit. The article is about Disney films, and uses the success of An American Tail as a comparison to Disney's The Great Mouse Detective. http://platypuscomix.com/educational/burythatfilm.html

The way this is written, to me at least, implies Platypus Comix is using An American Tail as an example of a film where "Somewhere Out There" was part of the pop culture rollout of a very popular movie, not as a film which faded from memory and only its hit song is still remembered. I think the "They're still playing it in clothing stores" bit is just them describing the tenacity of the song, not about the movie not being remembered anymore. Breakaway Pop Hit isn't just "Song from a movie soundtrack becomes a hit independent of the movie." Given what this Platypus Comix article is about, if it were a song from The Great Mouse Detective being referred to, it might be more of an example, to me.

(This is neither here nor there, but the quote also bends the truth a little bit - An American Tail in no way "Introduced the now-often-used idea of using a new soft rock song by a popular artist to boost the attention of the movie." Even the Breakaway Pop Hit pages themselves have examples of just that which predate An American Tail, like "I Just Called to Say I Love You" from The Woman in Red.)

With the full context of the quote, I'm still leaning towards this quote being inappropriate for the page. But I would like a little more consensus here. Am I reading this wrong?

Edited by thelivingtoad on Apr 25th 2022 at 1:41:29 PM

The current quote for No Celebrities Were Harmed is:

"Animation is built on plagiarism! If it weren't for someone plagiarizing The Honeymooners, we wouldn't have The Flintstones. If someone hadn't ripped off Sergeant Bilko, there'd be no Top Cat. Huckleberry Hound, Chief Wiggum, Yogi Bear? Hah! Andy Griffith, Edward G. Robinson, Art Carney." — Roger Myers, The Simpsons

In my opinion this is an absolutely stelar example of Follow the Leader, which is about shows ripping off popular shows. But No Celebrities Were Harmed is mostly about, well, featuring bland stand ins for celebrities who would sue you if you used their real name.

The Simpsons have a better example of that, and it's already listed in the quotes page too:

"Wow, you know Lucius Sweet? He's exactly as rich and as famous as Don King, and he looks just like him too!" — Homer Simpson, The Simpsons

Looks great.

The quote for Executive Meddling was changed without discussion, but I am actually curious if everyone thinks this new one might be better.

Old quote:

New quote:

@ MyFinalEdits Alright, thank you

I prefer the old one, personally. While the new one is more explicit, I think it is also more complain-y and less concise.

Edited by good-morning on Apr 26th 2022 at 1:03:03 PM

They're both about the same. I'd say revert.

Edited by Anura on Apr 26th 2022 at 3:57:29 PM

I'm good with a revert.

Made a Slave has an interesting quote but it doesn't seem to directly discuss the trope so much as list off famous names and the matter of having a master. I feel this would work better.

I disagree. Your quote talks about people who are oblivious to being slaves. The current quote mentions (currently) free people becoming slaves (in the future), which is closer to the trope (made a slave, a.k.a. not being one by nature, or from birth). As a result, the current quote is better.

An even better quote would be someone telling some other that he is now a slave, or a slave telling how he became one.

Found this in Voltaire's Zadig:

"On arriving at the frontier which separates Arabia Petraea from Syria, as he was passing near a strong castle, a party of armed Arabs sallied forth. He saw himself surrounded, and the men cried out: "All that you have belongs to us, and your body belongs to our master.""

I think it's better on the original French, though.

Edited by Naram-Sin on Apr 26th 2022 at 1:28:57 AM

Not really? It says that no-one is truly free, but for actual slaves this is a physical reality rather than a philosophical postulate. Though I agree that it doesn't really fit the trope here; it's more about slavery in general than a particular character being pressed into slavery.

Edited by Anura on Apr 26th 2022 at 8:41:04 AM

That could be the intended meaning I guess. But without further context or knowledge of the source, it's not what I get. You could have told me it was about a Happiness in Slavery situation instead and I would have agreed.

Given the amount of confusion I had with the difference between Trust Password and Something Only They Would Say, should we remove / replace the Trust Password quote with something more intentionally used as Trust Password instead of a quirk of personality / culture (LOL, 69)?

Dark Shepherd and Threatening Mediator have the same quote. Which should eat silver and what kind of quote should take it's place?

Edited by Jester_Punslinger on Apr 26th 2022 at 1:14:16 PM

Re Made a Slave. I don't think that's too clear either, as it could as easily describe prisoners rather than slaves. And it doesn't really demonstrate them being made slaves, instead of being born slaves. The quotes subpage has some decent alternatives.

Warhammer quote

I support the Warhammer one.

Warhammer hits the... uh... nail.

I'm adding the Zadig quote to the quotes subpage, and changing the No Celebrities Were Harmed quote.

I didn't get a response to my suggestion earlier this month:

I was thinking about a page quote for Superhero Team Uniform, and wanted a second opinion about these excerpts from kaptainkristian's video "X-Men - Color and Costumes:

"The X-Men have a very complicated role in the Marvel universe. They aren't celebrated like other heroes, they're misfits, and kids on the run. And that costume that the students wear, is sometimes the only thing that gives them any sense of belonging. It's not just a uniform, it's a symbol of the unification of the group, while also being a representation of individuality because that's what being an X-Man is all about."

—kaptainkristian, "X-Men - Color and Costumes"

Alternatively:

"Xavier's goal when designing the original uniforms was to promote cooperation, and project a positive public image. He wanted his students to inspire people, like superheroes did. It's the same concept behind police uniforms or firefighters."

—kaptainkristian, "X-Men - Color and Costumes"

i like the second one. i think quoteless pages are free add anyway? the page itself says "quote welcome"

Edited by NoUsername on Apr 27th 2022 at 5:28:09 AM

So what should be done about the change on the Glurge page? Since it still seems to have been unilaterally changed and, at least here, it seems people prefered the previous quote.

A while ago, I posted on here about the quote for Bald Head of Toughness after it was changed. I'm not here to complain about consensus being against me, but I did come across a quote that I think is better than the old one and the current one as it actually discusses the trope. From Atlanta, season 3 episode 2 "The Old Man and the Tree":

Darius: Your hairline's intense...That's intense.

Guy at Party: Yeah man. I'm losing my hair, but I'm afraid of what it'll look like if I shave it all off. I don't know...Maybe I got the juice to pull it off. What do you think?

Darius: I dunno, I feel like that's more easily pulled off by white men that are assumed to be dangerous, right. Like Jason Statham, Bruce Willis, The Rock. Same reason why black dudes can do it as well.

Thoughts on changing it?

Edited by amathieu13 on Apr 30th 2022 at 11:07:36 AM

I think it could start at "I'm losing my hair", and it'd need to lose the trope potholes, but otherwise it looks good.

Agreed.