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  • Alternative Character Interpretation:
    • Did Warren actually torture and rape Smithers' son? Given he knows who he was and liked overkill, is it really far-fetched? Or did he just make up the story to goad Smithers into attacking him so he could legally kill him?
      • Given that Smithers' conversation with Mannix suggests he knew that his son had gone off to do something dangerous (which killing one of the most wanted men in the Confederacy would certainly count as), and Warren knew the boy's first and middle names, which Smithers did not mention to Warren at all. It seems likely that at least part of his story is true.
      • Considering Warren claims to have forced Smithers' son to walk naked in the cold for two hours before collapsing, he would have been too hypothermic to get back up at the promise of a blanket (and may have been in the false warmth stage anyway). Warren could have just been exaggerating how long he tortured him, though.
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    • Was the Lincoln letter really fake? Or did Warren just play along with a bunch of racists making fun of him, and if fake, why punch a woman in the face for ruining it, then quickly try and save it? By the same token, if it was real, it would be almost expected he wouldn't take kindly to someone spitting on his letter from Lincoln, so his reaction could simply be acting to maintain the lie.
    • Was Daisy really guilty of murder? Sure, she's not the nicest person around, but we're never really told the exact circumstances of the alleged murder. Most characters like John Ruth treat her as if she's already guilty. However, Mobray raises the point that "frontier justice" has equal chances of being wrong as it is right, implying that Daisy might actually be innocent or wrongfully accused. Then again, Mobray is part of Jody's gang trying to rescue Daisy, so he easily could have just been trying to induce reasonable doubt about her guilt.
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    • Is Ruth so brutal towards Daisy because he's that much of a hardass, or because Daisy herself is just that dangerous to be cuffed to? Whenever he makes an attempt to show her some leniency, she throws it in his face. It's possible that he'd be more respectful towards a more cooperative bounty.
    • We're never really given a definitive answer to two questions: Is Chris the sheriff of Red Rock? And are there fifteen men coming to sack the town? The characters seem to believe that the former is yes, and the latter is no, but there's no proof either way. Considering it is Daisy who brings up those fifteen men and their plan to sack Red Rock if Jody doesn't appear with her, despite there being no point at which she could have learned these specific details, it seems likely that, even if the other gang members do exist, their supposed threat to Chris and Warren is invented. It is, however, possible that she and her brother may have had a general "if one of us is captured" plan laid out, with "sack the town if you can't save me" as part of it.
      • If there were fifteen trained killers, Jody's plan would've been unnecessary. Also, there would be no point in sacking the town, as it would just add to their already unrealistically large bounty.
  • Angst? What Angst?:
    • Mannix really doesn't seem all that angry when Warren provokes Smithers into a fatal shootout despite having been nothing but contemptuous of the former and worshipful towards the latter in his previous interactions with them. He and Warren even end up best buds. Mannix even ends up stealing Smithers's coat for his own use.
    • Smithers broke his no talk to niggers rule rather quickly when Warren talked to him again. Especially that for someone bitter about the Yankees winning the war sharing a battlefield shouldn't be enough for him to snap out of it. Smithers is considerably pleasant to Warren before the conversations turns to Smithers' son. Justified in that Jody expressly told him not to speak to anyone unless asked to, so him accepting Warren's invitation could be him being eager to do anything but just sit around and wait for Jody and his gang to do their thing.
  • Audience-Alienating Premise: Some people will just look at the title and say "I Don't Care What Happens To These People."
  • Awesome Music: What else did you expect with Ennio Morricone's first original Western soundtrack in decades? A Golden Globe and an Oscar, that's what.
  • Crazy Awesome: Daisy is clearly not quite right in the head, and that's what makes her so dangerous. And so very much fun to watch.
  • Crosses the Line Twice: Warren's entire monologue to Smithers.
  • Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: There are very few likable characters among the main cast, if any, with O.B. Jackson being a possible exception. Ruth repeatedly beats an unarmed woman, Warren killed and possibly raped General Smithers' son, in addition to lying about his Lincoln letter, Mannix, Smithers, and Daisy Domergue are all incredibly racist and bitter, and the rest end up being murderous outlaws working for Jody Domergue's gang. However, this is somewhat alleviated by the fact that Mannix gets better, as he was telling the truth all along about being sheriff, and if you subscribe to the Alternative Character Interpretation that Warren lied about raping Smithers' son to goad him into drawing and/or the Lincoln Letter being genuine, then he gets better too. And if all else fails, you can just take some comfort in the fact that all of them are either dead or close to it in the end.
  • Draco in Leather Pants: A lot of people give Daisy the status of victim since we don't know how she got that bounty to the point where they forgot that Warren explained that being part of her brother's murderous gang is why her bounty is as high as it is, and she antagonizes as much as she gets beat up.
  • Fair for Its Day: An in-universe example. John Ruth is shockingly more tolerant than the other characters (except for O.B. Jackson and perhaps some of the background characters), always taking care to treat Marquis as an equal, going as far as to defend his honor when Daisy calls him the N-word. He only descends into slurs when he realizes that Marquis had lied to him about his Lincoln Letter. However, even then, his brief racism is nothing more than a knee-jerk reaction of hurt feelings. This is a far cry from the other characters, whose racial views run the gamut from exclusively referring to Marquis as the N-word, regardless of the circumstances, to considering him to be sub-human on principle.
  • Fetish Retardant: Daisy tries winking and licking her lips at Warren. Unfortunately, the effect is ruined by her blood-covered face due to her nose just getting elbowed hard.
  • Genius Bonus: At one point, Oswaldo Mobray suggests the interior of Minnie's be divided up in order to alleviate tensions, and the fireplace is chosen to represent the spirit of Georgia. History buffs will get a laugh out of that one, remembering that Georgia was infamously almost burned to the ground by General Sherman.
  • Germans Love David Hasselhoff: Literally. The film made nearly 2/3 of its $156 million haul overseas (mostly in Europe), an above average proportion for any movie and especially a Tarantino film, with its biggest foreign market being Germany, where it earned $14 million. This could be put down to Germany's love of western films.
  • Moral Event Horizon:
    • Jody's gang crosses this when they callously murder Minnie, her staff, and the stagecoach drivers without batting an eye.
    • Warren, with his story about raping and killing Smithers' son. Of course, that's only if it's actually true.
  • Narm: The slow motion dialogue. "Youuuuuu gonnnnnnnaaaa maaaakeeee aaa deaaaaaaal withhh ttttttthis diaaaaaabolicallll bitchhhhhhh??????"
    • The Japanese release poster, which ditched the mysterious tone of the minimalist originals in favor of highlighting the movie's authorship via prominent display of Tarantino's Production Posse. Japanese netizens saw it as a lame move, declaring the poster to look like a "cosplay Christmas photo."
  • Overshadowed by Controversy: The fact that a 140-year-old antique guitar was accidentally destroyed during filming is a smaller controversy that may be all some people know about the film.
  • Rooting for the Empire: With a cabin full of murderers, racists, war criminals, people who beat their prisoners, and characters who claim to have tortured and raped the people who came to kill them, some viewers just want Daisy to turn the tables on these perverted lawmen. Shame she never really does, even if they do all end up dying anyway, and it turns out that she was working with some of them all along.
  • Shocking Swerve: The Reveal that about half of the people in the cabin are all in on a plot to free Daisy (and that their leader has been hiding under the floor the whole time) casts the entire plot, and several of the characters, in a different light, not necessarily for the better. However, some of this is foreshadowed by things such as the chess game with a missing opponent, the jelly bean dropped on the floor, and the broken lock. Naturally, this creates an excellent Rewatch Bonus.
  • Slow-Paced Beginning: It's a good half-hour before we see the haberdashery, another half-hour to get settled in before John Ruth voices his suspicions about the company there, and another half-hour before the coffee gets poisoned.
  • Special Effects Failure: When Warren shoots Bob, his gun is pointed at his stomach, but the squib is at the shoulder.
  • Tear Jerker: The ending can come off as this, especially with Roy Orbison's "There Won't Be Many Coming Home" playing.
  • They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character:
    • Daisy starts the picture as 100 pounds of crazy in a 10 pound bag; with her sass, feral cunning, and her truly astounding ability to take a beating. However, she never gets a chance to truly shine, ending up just another victim, being hanged by 2 virtually incapacitated men. Her last attempt to kill the remaining heroes by chopping Ruth's arm was a good effort, though.
    • Since 3 of the 8 are not who they say they are, but are in fact members of a gang, some people may feel this way if they found the people they were posing as to be more interesting than the actual criminals, particularly since we don't get to know the "real" three. Channing Tatum might also get the short straw, since he only appears in flashback — again, spending much of his scene posing as someone he is not — before his head is blown off unceremoniously.
  • Too Cool to Live:
    • Okay, he's about as much of a dick as most of the other characters in the film, but it can be hard not to mourn the loss of Ruth (and his glorious 'stache). Helps that he's played by Kurt Russell.
    • O.B Jackson was the only nice person around with a Cool Hat and did not deserve to die like this.
  • Unfortunate Implications: As pointed out in this article, the film's emphasis on Daisy's brutal humiliation gives it an uncomfortably misogynist vibe.
  • What an Idiot!:
    • After Ruth is poisoned, there are five people in on Daisy's escape who are all capable of easily killing the two confused lawmen (Warren and Mannix) who are both unsure who is working against them. Jody, armed and unseen, Mobray with a hidden pistol, Gage with the hidden pistol in the table, Daisy with Ruth's gun, and Bob. Yet they all surrender themselves to Warren for no reason.
    • Jody could only shoot at people directly above him and the hidden guns would require additional time to draw, with Warren already having a gun on everyone and shown himself to be a quick shot for them not to attempt it. Their only chance after Ruth was killed was Jody taking out Warren and the rest quick enough to kill Mannix, but he surprised them by being a fast gunfighter as well. It doesn't help that Warren had already caught on that everything going on was a plot to free Daisy, meaning that if bullets started flying, there was an excellent chance of him shooting her down out of sheer spite.
    • They had at least two big moments where they could have killed everyone if Gage decided to grab a gun after poisoning the coffee: When Warren is driving everyone's eyes on him as he taunts the general, which gives him a chance to shoot Warren and Ruth while the unarmed O.B and Mannix are too busy being shocked, and the aftermath of the poison above, since Warren was again the only enemy armed and could not shoot Daisy while Ruth was beating her. They wanted to still fall back on their patience game after the poison, which cost them big time.
    • Another huge mistake was using Marco the Mexican as "Bob", the caretaker of the Haberdashery. Not only is Marco an awful liar, his accent is nigh-impossible to hide, and even without the plot, he comes off as some Bandito that took over the place, since Warren knows that Minnie doesn't like Mexicans. Jody is the one that should have played the caretaker and Marco should had hid under the floor, as Jody is clearly much more charismatic and Marco is a quite a quick shot, as evidenced by his only shooting scene. In general, it is quite clear the gang didn't use its own resources to the best; had charisma men such as Jody and Mobray been the ones upstairs and the more taciturn Marco and Grouch hidden, they would had probably won.
      • While Daisy was able to hide she recognised the others, it may have been harder for her to hide her recognition of her own brother, which would have blown the whole plan. Plus, it's possible that Jody's face is known to the law and Ruth, being a bounty hunter claiming the bounty on Jody's sister, would have recognised him instantly. Having Jody above raises too many possible complications. Having Marco pose as "Bob" and pretend Minnie gave him charge of the Haberdashery while she was away was simply a case of Critical Research Failure, which is what blew the whole plan: They didn't account on Ruth being accompanied by someone who was very familiar with Minnie and the Haberdashery to know something was off from the get-go. If Warren hadn't been with Ruth, the gang would have got away with it; an element they had no reason to anticipate.
      • That's debatable since Minnie might not have hated Mexicans, as she saw Bob earlier and didn't mind at all. Even if she was trying to maintain composure for the three other men he was with, she still would've shown signs of annoyance. Bob's clumsiness and bumbling nature is what gave him away.
    • Warren's an excellent shot and he's not shy about using bullets to make his point. Which means he's wasting ammunition, and runs out accordingly later on. You'd think an experienced Combat Pragmatist would be a little more prudent about it. Daisy didn't really need to lose those toes, did she? Justified in that he is kind of delirious after the whole Groin Attack.
    • The remaining gang members try to persuade Mannix to kill Warren in exchange for being allowed to collect the bounties on their heads. What the gang members evidently forgot is that Mannix is the sheriff in town, meaning he wouldn't be able to collect those bounties even if he wanted to. Although this isn't brought up at the moment, it's likely a contributing factor to his refusal of the offer.
      • Not helping the gang's odds is the fact that by the time they make the offer, Mannix is bleeding like a stuck pig from his wounded leg, which he can barely limp around on. He'd be incapable of getting them to Red Rock in the first place, and is probably doomed to bleed out regardless, so he has nothing to lose by simply killing them all. Although the promise of sacking Red Rock for vengeance is an attempt to play on his sense of duty, he already doesn't believe them.
      • Additionally, Mannix himself points out Daisy knew the coffee was poisoned and was content to let him drink it, thus he had no reason to work with her.
  • The Woobie: Six-Horse Judy is a perky and completely innocent sweetheart... who gets gunned down by Groucho while she begs for her life.
    • Jerkass Woobie: A few of the main characters have their moments. Daisy, for example, never catches a break throughout the film, and since we're never really told what she did, the worst things being uttering racial slurs, watch while several people die, and try to kill and manipulate a few others in fairly understandable self-defence, the violence against her feels like Disproportionate Retribution. Whilst her brother's gang executed a number of people, Daisy did not explicitly take part in the killing spree and her death feels unjustified to many viewers and is discussed as such in essays and reviews. Although given that the $10,000 bounty is shared by the rest of the gang that she belongs to, it’s highly likely that prior to her capture she took part in murder sprees like the one we see the rest of them commit.


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