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    Rules 
Rules. The following are not suggestions or tips, but things that have to be followed:
  • When writing a profile, take note of the following:
    • Gods cannot be followers or high priests for obvious reasons. The 'gods' have ascended meaning there is no need for said character to be a follower of another if they have ascended.
    • No hype profiles, please. 'Hype Profiles' are profiles that have been made out of ongoing events and have not been around for a long time. This creates 'hype' due to popularity and certain elements either through certain scenes, memes, dramatic acting or considered overly awesome. They are not bad tropes but building a portfolio solely for that is a bad idea, as they do not say a thing about representing the trope best (unless it's those trope concepts that they are trying to embody for a long time)
      • You can see one if the profile is only showing off how awesome they are or suddenly pushing how 'significant' they are thanks to the just very recent events rather than respecting the longstanding good representations of the trope. And usually having... minimum portfolio or flavor texts and being a bit too generalized or self-contained to events from within their home series instead of interacting with other Pantheon members.
  • When posting in the forum, take note of the following:
    • When you suggest a God, please explain why they fit the trope. Not everyone is going to understand just "X should be the God of Y because they exemplify the trope" off the bat, especially if they're unfamiliar with the work.
    • You must use the Trope Pantheons discussion thread in the forums if you wish to add a new deity, story, something else of importance to the Trope Pantheon canon, or reworking an existing deity (be it simply improving their existing profile or changing their title).
      • For new and reworked deities, 3 [tup] means the profile will have a one week waiting period.
      • For new and reworked deities, 4 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 5 [tup] is an automatic ascension for new and reworked deities.
      • Speaking of reworks, for anyone that wants to improve such profiles, they have to review the current trope the character(s) has and see if it still holds up or if there is a better rep for their trope.
    • For adding new Treasures to The Great Treasury or new Dominions to the Dominions, the following rules apply:
      • For new Treasures or Dominions, 3 [tup] is a 3 day waiting period.
      • 4 [tup] is an automatic addition to the Great Treasury or Dominions.
    • Do not repost a profile in the forums more than twice in a day if noticeable changes have not been made in between. If a profile is posted a third time in a row without noticeable alterations, it will be downvoted. This is so spamming of no-effort profiles is less frequent and to prevent tropers from getting aggravated seeing the same profile over and over. The minimum acceptable change has to be a single flavour text.
    • The Pantheon is not a mouthpiece for you to voice your opinions on certain characters. You may like certain characters more than others, but do not make the mistake of making profiles for characters you like look like Character Shilling.
    • Tropers new to the Pantheon are barred from approving or downvoting profiles until they have ascended at least two profiles.
    • Do not include fan reception in any profiles. It has nothing to do with the character themselves and will create unnecessary conflict.
    • Write a detailed explanation on why the character is the best candidate for deity of that trope. If people disagree with you, do not force it on the people.
    • Keep in mind that if you still want to try to find a trope for a particular character, you are only given three chances to find a particular trope for them. If a suggestion goes past three possible tropes, then it will come off as shoehorning a character into the Pantheon just for the sake of that character to be there.
      • On a related note, even if a character does have a free trope being suggested, there is still a limit of three attempts for suggesting that character for that trope. If no one responds to that certain proposal after being posted three times, then it will get to the point where the idea will be seen as being shoehorned into the Pantheon. In addition, the idea needs to be considered acceptable and approved because they are good, not for the sake of pitying others because no one is responding to their idea.
  • When posting Pantheon related stuff to the wiki, take note of the following:
    • Do not put a link to these Pantheon pages into the main wiki page. The moment you want to add in a main Characters page that the character is a God of this trope, do not do it. If you see leftovers of this practice, inform the forum and use the cutlist. This also goes to the Trivia page. The only exception to this rule is if a page in the Pantheon could be confused for a page in Main, like Good Colors, Evil Colors and Good and Evil Colors.
    • Rule of Cautious Editing Judgment ALSO applies here. Do not bring things that would incite fights, even if it is what is currently the hot topic and might be 'urgent'. For example, the political scene and some really bad politicians. We are not here to fight at each other, so don't suggest things that go to that direction, this is a fictional Pantheon after all.
    • To add a Pantheon page for a certain work, 4 or more characters coming from the same series/franchise should be ascended before adding the page. For Creator specific pages, 4 deities coming from the same creator and 2 individual work pages coming from the same creator is the minimum to warrant a page.
    • Do not create a trope page for a story until the story is fully completed.

    Instructions and Tips 
Here are some tips one should keep in mind when editing:

  • Preparing to write:
    • First thing to do before present a profile is to go to the Trope Pantheons discussion thread. In the forums, you must discuss with other users on adding ideas and seek their approval with sound reasoning. You can also get some assistance in the forum thread by either asking for help and those interested asking if they can help. Submissions that are added without discussion are likely to be deleted and those who violate those rules by adding Pantheon content without discussion will get reported to the mods.
    • If you feel the need to remove a character for some reason (poor quality, outdated titles, etcetera) and replace him/her with another or outright rework, please see what the other tropers think about this in the discussion thread before doing anything hasty. Use good reasoning to see if your idea can easily replace the character present without drawing out your statement or giving too ambiguous claims most do not understand.
    • Please be sure to consult others in the discussion about what you want to work before making the profile. This is done to see if your proposal is the best representative and so, in case your profile is turned down, you do not waste time writing something that others might not find suitable.
      • In the same vein, if you adopt a profile from another troper, it is recommended that you make an announcement that you have done so on the discussion thread. More often than not, a trope that was reserved for something was given away to someone else. Check the Related tab on the top of a page to see if a trope or character has been reserved by a user.
    • If, for whatever reason, you are writing about a God who just happens to be a person in real life, just try to be very careful about what you decide to say. Do not try to make the editing seem too meta (self-referential) and use the aformentioned creativity to create hypothetical scenarios towards fictional characters.
  • When writing a profile for a character, here are a few things to note:
    • All deities should be sorted by their divine ranking. Put Overdeities on the top of the page and Quasideities on the bottom. Also be sure to add them in alphabetical order by their first/given name (can be reversed if it is Eastern ordered). For a group, if there is no official name for them all list down all their names by order of relevance or (if too long to list) title them as Insert Name Here Main Characters or some other identifiable title along the same lines.
    • The maximum number of tropes that a god can have is two, but do not try to abuse that fact. If you need to use a second trope to specify a certain thing about their position, that can be excused either because said character represents their trope choice very well alongside the first trope. It is still generally encouraged to only have one trope.
    • A trope can only belong to one profile at a time. The only time two profiles can share a trope is if there are explicit variations listed in the trope page proper (e.g. Muscle Angst is held by both Biscuit Krueger and Chihiro Fujisaki as the former represents "Too Much Muscle" and the latter represents "Not Enough Muscle")
    • If the character you are about to add to a House already exists in another, make sure to mention that this person has spots in other House as well. Up to 2 places can be made for a deity, with the sole exceptions being those at the Main House to highlight those characters’ importance to the Pantheon’s lore.
    • For a character's theme song, try to avoid calling it "Theme of God X" or "Theme of (Show where God X originates from)". If possible, try to find out if the song has an actual name through research. Most importantly, it has to be part their series’ official soundtracks from media. Do not list songs that are made by fans or outside sources. If they were not specifically used as music for that specific character, then they do not count. Furthermore, it has to be a general theme specifically made for that characters’ appearances, not some generic music that plays for many other instances not related to the character in question.
    • For images, when adding an image for your chosen character, it is highly recommended to use a stylized image that embodies the character or renders that also highlights a character’s behavior (such as cool poses). Most images should be from the main adaptations of the character, unless the images from the other media are of a higher quality than the adaptation. Unless it is needed, do not use fanart for images. If you are, please attribute to the original artist. Due to the website’s dark mode, removing white backgrounds from an image is paramount. This website is suggested to do the background removal. If an image you have takes up too much bytes, it is suggestible to use this site to reduce the byte size. If the byte is still too big, put the compressed image to other sites (or even the same one) to compress even further. Use wikias to look for better images, as even wikias for the series might not contain good official images.
    • Creativity is your friend. While it is not recommended to get too ditzy at your ideas, it is best that when writing a profile for a certain character, do you think of capable scenarios between X and Y. Tip: do not use shallow examples (X wields a sword and Y wields one too) and try to think of relationships that makes sense (i.e those characters that are shout-outs for another).
  • Pantheon Content:
    • Some series or genres will eventually have greater representation in the Pantheon than others. This is unavoidable, but a little diversity helps to make you not look like a shill per say. Try to ensure that if you add a deity from a popular series, make sure that it is because they are a good representative for the trope in question, and not just because they are connected to another deity in their respective canon.
      • As far as deities from actual mythologies, there is generally expectation to build the profiles off interactions from fictional portrays rather than basing it entire from the actual myth. Therefore, a mythological deity should be more of a Composite Character whose main identity is from the actual myth.
    • Occasionally there will be Gods that carry a title without a trope. This is not forbidden, but it is well advised not to abuse them. The only house that a tropeless profile are wholly allowed is the House of Food. Mainly due to most food items lacking tropes, and adding tropes about said foodstuffs is slightly unnecessary. However, the character being ascended for their choice of a food, or food-related thing must be a decently good representative of said item. (i.e their Trademark Favorite Food, or something that they are closely associated with In-Universe, or both).
    • For Dominions and Treasures profiles, always consider what made those places/objects popular in the first place. Were they plot-important, identifiable imagery or have a unique aspect of it? Do not just bring regular objects under the basis of following a certain canon.
  • For Profile Standards:
    • Flavor text is used to describe certain things about a character, place or object. To avoid short ones, it is recommended to write flavor text with 4-7 sentences that can fill around 2 lines each. Be warned that adding too many sentences does not equal good flavor text as it is not an essay of sorts (unless words are substantial and do add to the overall line).
    • Character Profiles of a certain person should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 7 (at the minimum) tropes describing their character.
      • Flavor text count for a deity profile should have by minimum, 10 (depending if the character in question has enough relationships/characterization) to 15 with a maximum of 20-25 for an individual profile.
      • On the other hand, group profiles (profiles of a group that has 4 or more members) have their maximum flavor text count to 15 minimum, giving individual lines for the other members of the group (unless the members are not as characterized) up to 30 at max.
    • Dominion profiles of a certain place should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 5 (at the minimum) tropes describing the context of the place.
      • Flavor text count should range at least 10 to 15.
    • Treasure profiles (inanimate objects without a trope) should have the following:
      • A portfolio that contains at least 6 (at the minimum) tropes that describes the object itself.
      • Flavor text count should be at least 7 flavor text up to 12 to constitute a treasure profile.

    Divine Ranking System 
  • Overdeity: Omnipotent-level Reality Warpers capable of manipulating the entire universe (or at least the world) at will. Within their own universe they are believed to be omnipotent, or at least impossible-to-completely-destroy embodiments or concepts.
  • Greater Gods: High-level Reality Warpers and that are extremely powerful (capable of destroying or changing anywhere from a large city to a planet at will) and very strong non-reality warpers capable of doing the same thing.
  • Intermediate Gods: Deities at this level are capable of strong but specialized powers such as hydrokinesis, pyrokinesis, etc. without major drawbacks and low level Reality Warpers capable of affecting their immediate area at will.
  • Lesser Gods: Capable of highly specific or little power on their own, or suffer from Power at a Price. However, they may be able to ruthlessly exploit their power or combine it with just being badass enough to make up for it.
  • Demigods: Basically the Badass Normals of the pantheon, making up for their lack of abilities with strength, strategy, and/or planning.
  • Quasideities: Any otherwise normal human, human equivalent, or below without any special powers or training will fall here.

    Templates 
Template for adding a new deity:

God X, God/dess of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Rank: This can range from Quasideity, Demigod, Lesser God, Intermediate God, Greater God, to Overdeity, based on representation of power mentioned above.
  • Symbol: An image or icon used to represent the deity.
  • Theme Song: Official song (in other words, no fan music, regardless of quality) that usually is used in affiliation with the character. If the deity is a musician this will most likely be their Signature Song. If possible, give a link for reference, preferably on either a website like Soundcloud or YouTube.
  • Alignment: Good, evil, neutral etc. Forget about The Great Character Alignment Debate here, the Pantheon is one of the few places where you can assign Dungeons & Dragons alignment to characters that don't have alignment system. After all, the Pantheon is based on D&D and is made for fun.
  • For Pokémon deities only:
    • Gender: Defines the gender of the Pokémon; if genderless, it instead defines what gender they identify as.
    • Ability: Provides the Pokémon's ability. If they can Mega Evolve, the new ability is listed as well.
    • Moves: Defines the four moves used by a Pokémon. A Z-Move may also be listed.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the character.
  • Domains: Things that the character has influence over.
  • Herald: Non-ascended loyal character that is from the same series as the ascended character.
  • High Priest: Non-ascended like heralds, but not from the same series, and can serve as a worthy replacement in case something would happen. They can be served as part-time workers in case the originals are busy with some jobs. Co-Godhood is accepted depending on the approval of the originals, usually if the co-deity is from the same series.
  • Followers: Non-ascended characters that are not part of the Pantheon, but would probably worship this character by the fact that they share the ascended character's trope.
  • Relationships between ascended characters go here with your chosen character, it goes something like this:
    • Allies: Members of the Pantheon that are allies, those that share the same values as them and would theoretically be friends with them.
    • Rivals: Members of the Pantheon that are rivals, people who may look at your character with suspicion or a challenge.
    • Enemies: Members of the Pantheon that are foes, those who would see your chosen character as a threat, either on their pespective or yours.
    • Additional Character Relationships: Members of the Pantheon that do not fit in various relationships (examples include Enemy Mine, Vitriolic Best Buds, Teeth-Clenched Teamwork, Headbutting Heroes, Friendly Enemy, Friendly Rival, Just Friends, etc.), allies, rivals, or enemies.
    • Partner: Defines a partnership with an ascended deity and Mon-type. (if any)
    • Feared by/Fears: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon notably fear or are feared by.
    • Respected by/Respects: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon respect or are respected by.
    • Opposed by/Opposes: Not necessarily the same as "Enemies", but this is used for any deity whom the members of the Pantheon directly opposes or is opposed by (basically the opposite of "Respects") terms of certain viewpoints, regardless of alignment.
    • Pitied by/Pities: A deity whom the members of the Pantheon feel pity for or are found pitiable by.
    • Conflicting Opinion: Sometimes, the Deities argue over specific themes and philosophies.
  • Add the Intro. The intro is made up of two trivia, the Ascension Text (or just the Ascension) and The Bio. Both are necessary, but which order you use for them may vary depending on the profile in question. It may be better for one profile to have The Bio first and the Ascension second or vice-versa, although for the most part the order is irrelevant:
    • The Ascension Text: This the story of how the character got into the Pantheon and/or was ascended. There are many ways for this to happen. They may be tricked into it or have simply wandered into the Pantheon, they may have had an already ascended character bring them in, they may already be in the Pantheon (via being another deity's Herald or sharing a trope) and got "promoted", or some combination of the above. Anything is possible in the Pantheon, so use your imagination, but try to incorporate their trope into the story, if possible.
    • The Bio: A brief synopsis on the character's backstory. No need for the character's entire life/production history, but just give enough that those who don't know the character can get an idea of how the character works.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Deities/Characters is 10-15 (15-20 for group profiles) at minimum to 20-25 (30 for group profiles) at maximum.

Template for Dominions profiles:

Place X, Place of (Insert Trope Here) (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Alignment: Refers to the dominion's role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the dominion.
  • Domains: Things that the place has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the location has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the dominion is linked to, note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said dominion, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Dominion is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Dominions is 10 at minimum to 15 at maximum.

Template for Treasure profiles:

The name of the item in here (Alternate names/Nicknames, Fan Nickname)

  • An image, if possible. Please use official art or a screenshot for a picture.
  • Appearance: A shortened description of the item's looks with some notable features also mentioned.
  • Class: Refer to the Treasure Classification System in the Great Treasury.
  • Alignment: Refers to the objects' role in their story, be it those used by villains or used by the Player Character.
  • Theme Song (Optional): Not important as compared to Deity and Dominion profiles but a notable mention if there is an accompanying song in use with the object.
  • Museum Check: A note that says whether the item is viewable by the public.
  • Portfolio: Tropes associated with the item.
  • Domains: Things that the item has links to.
  • Relationships (Optional): Unless the item has a connection with a specific deity, relationships are optional and may not be required. However, if there are deities linked to the same series as where the item is linked to (especially the original owner of the item), note them using the relationships, this includes deities that theoretically have interest with said object, good or evil otherwise.
  • Add the Intro. Here the introduction of the Treasure is added with some tidbits regarding the origins of its' creation and usage in the story. You can also add what made it popular/iconic/important here.
  • Now add some random trivia/facts about events/alignments/moments/fights/friendships/relations etc.
  • And some more trivia/facts.
  • And a couple of more.
    • Note: Standard amount of flavor text for Treasures is 7 at minimum to 12 at maximum.

Edited by Willbyr on May 24th 2021 at 7:52:09 AM

ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#2101: Jul 28th 2014 at 9:06:19 PM

[up][up]Yeah, currently I have built up certain plot points where Aqua found traces of the original verse, reported it to Cinderella, and while everyone keeps the antagonistic attitude to the stepfamily, Cinderella is working to send away the stepsisters. Maybe it'll end with Cinderella saying this:

"I pity you, Anastasia and Drizella. If you didn't give in to the hate, then this might have been your fate. The original world where we live in. *shows the Dreams Come True and Twist In Time verse* The influence may be weak... but it's there, and it's enough for me to pity you."

(And I think at this moment of clarity, Anastasia starts to break down and regret giving in to hate because it robs her future redemption, while Drizella threw a tantrum and say that Cinderella would never understand about being emotionally bullied by her own birth mother)

"Those original you... I could still respect them. That's why... you don't like this tortures Homura Akemi gave to you, yes? I'll give you one exit ticket each... As the Princess of Heart... I command you to begone from the Pantheon, darker version of my stepsisters!"

(At this point, Anastasia and Drizella were banished from the Pantheon, but in banishment, there were at least smiles that they'll be free of Homura's tortures. Still painful and there were screams of pain.)

(And afterwards, Cinderella gave Lady Tremaine "The Reason You Suck" Speech about how in any interpretations she never changes, and it was probably because of her influence and emotional bullying that Anastasia and Drizella in Aqua's realm ended up the way they are, and leaves her alone, probably with more tortures from Homura.)

Sounds like a decent plot point? Anyone's free to build up the dialogues.

edited 28th Jul '14 9:08:07 PM by ChrisX

HotmanX32 Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#2102: Jul 28th 2014 at 9:28:50 PM

[up] Yes... Fucking yes, please! I hate that hag.

edited 28th Jul '14 9:29:01 PM by HotmanX32

Trope Pantheon Story site
Camilla What do you mean I'm not declared insane? Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Californicating
What do you mean I'm not declared insane?
#2103: Jul 28th 2014 at 9:30:50 PM

I've been thinking about someone for a while: Adam West.

He has a trope name after him (Adam Westing) and if weren't for him, Batman wouldn't be on television even if it was campy at the time. Thus no movies, no cartoons, etc. Plus Adam West is returning to his iconic 1960's Batman as revealed in Lego Batman 3, and a behind the scenes clip for the game states how he is amazed that he helped create something to give it life and keep it going. I'm not sure what ranking he'd get (Demigod at best, but he pretty much has favors from all Batman Gods due to what he's done for them) so...any takers?

Note to self: Never bet on Entei.
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#2104: Jul 28th 2014 at 10:12:21 PM

[up]Adam West DESERVES to be here. It's just that I dunno the proper way to call 'Adam Westing' in the Pantheon.

[up][up]Who was it that suggested the Tremaines in the first place, by the way?

The treatment to the sisters... what do you think, 'proper' sendoff? And it's not quite OOC for Cinderella to decree so, right? I thought being a Disney Classic Princess, then she would be a lot more forgiving and understanding what it means to be a good, kind lady. Also touching elements of the original non-Disney Cinderella, where she could still forgive her stepfamily.

Also note that while Tremaine still gets to suffer by Homura, that won't be the last of her, though not targetted at Cinderella. I had it that due to Maleficent's portrayal as Anti-Hero in the 2014 film, and being playable in Disney Infinity, Tremaine is invited by Queen Grimhilde (Evil Queen, Snow White's mother) to plan on usurping Maleficent's throne as the most evil Disney Villainess. After all, if Tremaine would rise on the 'same' level as Maleficent, she can plan her revenge better.

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#2105: Jul 28th 2014 at 10:13:47 PM

Magus is perfect for Barrier Change Boss as he is both the Trope Namer and Trope Codifer for it.

To Hotman: Do you like what's being done to Tremaine, her daughters, and their cat to boot? The bit about Homura cribbing from Lord Kroak's play book by putting them through an Ironic Hell Ground Hog Day Loop that they get trapped in for the equivilant of 10,000 years (think Mental Time Travel)? Each iteration lasts about two months (for a total of 60,000 iterations) and puts them in the fates of various villains from the Brother's Grimm version of fairy tales. The motive for it? Triggering a Tatagoroshi-hen style breakdown in Satako? BTW they share this time loop with Teppei Houjou.

To Chris X: I prefer the "keep the KH version of the lot" in the pantheon with the disney versions being small splinters. But I do have narrative ideas.

Satako (who has suffered HORRIFIC abuse from step parents across multiple marriages, not to mention the worst of it coming from Teppei Houjou and the torment she suffered from her village just for being the daughter of supporters of the dam project) approaches Cinderella giving her a CD for her to play if the wicked step family decides to mess with her. Satako also explains WHY Homura is tormenting them. She turns on the player with a smile as she gives Drizela and Anastasia one final send off of "I Was Waiting For This Moment". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLyq6OSHnKg Lady Tremaine is right there so she hears it as well. The anti-abuse league has copies of the track as well on stand-by if Tremaine acts up again.

Edit: Maleficient already has competition in the form of Frollo. I'll check the Complete Monster page for more info.

[down] I say axe them for consistency. Don't forget your slasher smile while you do it.

edited 28th Jul '14 11:00:31 PM by magnum12

TPPR10 Shocking Gun! from out of nowhere Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
Shocking Gun!
#2106: Jul 28th 2014 at 10:45:40 PM

... What the heck are you people getting into your minds? I am either scared or confused.

Also, I still haven't gotten an answer to the question I asked before.

Continue the bloodline, Fujimaru!
ChrisX ..... from ..... Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#2107: Jul 28th 2014 at 11:55:35 PM

The thing is, we are respecting the originals here. Before KH, there was the Disney. If we do not respect the original, media, what kind of person are we?

Sorry about this, magnum, but it's like you're too absorbed with KH that you think they overtake the original. It's like getting a revenge fic on the people you don't like. At the very least I've kinda tried to tone down how much I give shit to Terumi (as much as I want to). Reminds me with that time you were arguing to drop Weil into the Disgraces because of your personal tastes in Megaman Zero. In fact, come to think of it, the sisters were treated like something like 'Proper Pantheon In Name Only', the treatment were like in Disgraces. Is that a way the proper Pantheon should be?

Probably, I can improve on the narrative. Despite Satoko handling the video, Cinderella... stops her. Just to make a point that, no, she won't give in to The Power of Hate, that won't make her any better to the twisted KH versions of the stepsisters. She's a Disney Princess, one of the original ones, and as such, her forte should be The Power of Love, not hate. If the original versions of the Cinderella hadn't existed, they wouldn't exist, and she will honor that, especially since the original has a possible happier ending when people sees the light. Regardless of how 'weak' the influence is, as long as it exists, she can use it to her advantage, and that's how it was in the original verse, Anastasia WAS formerly rotten to the core, and yet, given the path of light in a bit and she eventually redeems herself. Such possibilities, Cinderella wanted to respect that.

"If we forget that because of hate... what kind of good deities are we?"

So even if Cinderella understands what Satoko went through, and how much these versions deserve it after the KH events, Cinderella would make the stand that she won't stand for this kind of hate-using scheme. She still wants to respect their original versions. Thus thanks to the original verse, which was despite being weak-influenced, it was enough for Cinderella to give a show of pity, showing a heart of gold. Aqua, moved with Cinderella's speech, requests that Satoko hand over the CD for now to be destroyed, there will be another time, more CD's and Tremaine is staying.

So Cinderella is more than willing to give the chance for the sisters by banishing them out of the Pantheon (or in her words: Show pity), it was the only proper way for the two. Of course, Lady Tremaine would remain unforgiven. However, see it like this: If Anastasia and Drizella were banished, Tremaine WILL lose her posses and get her threat rate reduced. To show this thing, Tremaine would end up on a Villainous Breakdown, claiming that she really shouldn't have brought her daughters to the Pantheon, and leave them in ashes. This is mirroring the Twist In Time version to show that really, Tremaine wouldn't give a damn about her daughters as long as she gets all the glory and prosperity. That's where Cinderella gives her "The Reason You Suck" Speech, finally deducing that Tremaine's influence was THAT powerful that she's not just the KH version of Tremaine, but every incarnations of Tremaine ever and none of them has any empathy worth pity for.

In the end, I'll say this: I'm against just putting Anastasia and Drizella because someone doesn't like their KH version. Their KH version is one thing, but wasn't supposed to represent EVERYTHING they are. We can't let ourselves be wrapped with utter bias on one thing or else the Pantheon will be a place of utter chaos.

I hope you get my drift.

Also... Villainness. One thing Frollo is not is that... he's a guy.

@TPPR: ... Eh... sorry you have to see things like that. I think I got a little carried away. Don't mind us, things are still peaceful for the moment. Bottom line, we're just discussing the fates of the Cinderella's sisters.

edited 28th Jul '14 11:58:19 PM by ChrisX

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#2108: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:00:47 AM

Could anyone answer a doubt of mine?

In Minato Arisato's profile on the Magic House one of his enemies is listed as being Yukari Yakumo, "for obvious, non-personal reasons".

What are these "obvious, non-personal reasons"?

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#2109: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:03:14 AM

To be honest, I have no idea. As a fan of both Touhou and Persona, I really have no clue. Okay, I might have potholed Barrier Maiden to Yukari's position, but is that it? I simply put it there to specify her what her role is.

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#2110: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:27:09 AM

Never mind, I am stupid.

edited 29th Jul '14 8:31:57 AM by SaintDeltora

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#2111: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:28:39 AM

There is one very simple explanation for that, and part of the reason I feel everyone should hate Yukari, at the very least canon Yukari, Read the spoiler below if you want to know why, but it's lengthy, and WM Gy.

Yukari regularly kills outsiders. She just kinda gaps them in, and has them be eaten. Without any way to defend themselves. While it could be argued that this is necessary to insure the Youkai's survival, there is simply so much social subtext when it comes to Gensokyo and Japan. For starters, like how Japan pretty much despised anyone who wasn't in Japan, especially in their early years (To the point that the Japanese scientsists were actually less humane then their Nazi equivalents during World War II.) They also ran on a very different morality then the rest of the world. Youkai morality is suspiciously resembling that of ancient philosophy, especially in i9solated countries in Asia, besides that of "eating", which could be argued to be more of a stereotype that only really applies to the non-humanoids, or those who haven't achieved a human form.

So, we got an isolated world of people of Blue and Orange Morality who find interest in the fantastic, and enjoy, maybe even revel in blatant racism and nationalism against pretty much everywhere else.

Sounds a lot like Japan. It's starting to die out now, but it still pops up every now and then, especially considering the facts that most companies really do not understand foreign consumers all that well, as well as the fact that the average Asian life is considered a self-harming philosophy that psychologically damages a lot of people, and even communicating with Japanese people across the web.

In other words, it's mixing a Fantasy Kitchen Sink in with social intrigue. It's not a heavy handed aesop, as ZUN doesn't do those, but ZUN has been surprisingly friendly with the Western fandom, so in my opinion, it's probably at least PARTIALLY there.

edited 29th Jul '14 8:34:41 AM by GM_3826

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#2112: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:37:44 AM

[up]Sorry, but I don't think that is the reason.

Because I am preeeeeeeeeety sure Minato would consider that a "personal reason".

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#2113: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:47:05 AM

@Chris: All right, one Adam West coming up! (PS his picture for his article is HANDSOME oh and i need tropes for him.)

Adam West, God of Those Who Parody Their Roles (The Grey Ghost, Mayor West, Catman, The Galloping Gazelle and many more)

  • Demigod (but revered as an Intermediate God)
  • Symbol: His 1960's Batman outfit
  • Alignment: Neutral Good
  • Portfolio: those casted in specific roles and parodying to almost Self-Deprecation levels. Self-Parody.
  • Domains: Acting, Parodies
  • Allies: Batman, Bruce Lee, Seth McFarlane, RL Stine, many Star Trek gods. Also has favors from every Batman god, good and bad.
  • High Priests: George Takei and William Shatner.
  • One day, Emmet, God of Lego, was preparing another LEGO Batman story, and decided to look into Bamtan's files. Upon watching the 1960's series, he decided to get Adam West to come up. Upon seeing Batman, Adam West humbly agreed. Thus Emmet personally built him a temple in the House of Theater, even creating a special level in the LEGO Batman game to replicate the old show.
  • Adam's character fluctuates every now and then. He's either a star of an old show Batman used to watch (Grey Ghost), Mayor of Quahog (Mayor West), an old hero from a kid's show (either Catman or Galloping Gazelle), etc. Either way, it's a sight to be hold. The Council of Cloudcuckooland loves him for it.
  • Has met up with Bruce Lee, due to a time during his Batman days where Bruce once met someone by the name of Kato. When gods learned about this role, they started watching the show again just to see Lee in action. Bruce...would rather not remember that part of his past.
  • Is taken aback by many of the costumes that the Batman Rogue Galley wear: most specifically, he's amazed why the Joker doesn't have a white powdered mustache on.
  • Whenever there's a production of a super hero parody in the House of Theater, you can bet that Adam West will be there.

Will this be good?

Also, with a new trope called Anti-Hero Team up can I suggest the film version of the Guardians of the Galaxy to be the ones to ascend. They're basically equal in strength and power to the Avengers, except they're criminals, murderers, and so forth.

edited 29th Jul '14 8:48:27 AM by Camilla

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#2114: Jul 29th 2014 at 8:50:51 AM

[up][up][up] First of all, It is implied that Yukari mainly gaps homeless and suicidal people. Essentially, people who not a lot of people would miss and who would die anyway. Second of all, How is youkais eating humans any different from humans eating animals? You don't have to answer this one, especially in this thread. And third, how does all this have to do with Minato?

edited 29th Jul '14 8:53:22 AM by TPPR10

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#2115: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:10:49 AM

[up]...I just like shoving my theories down everyone's throats. Either way, in a series ripe with fanon, it's a valid interpretation.

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#2116: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:18:41 AM

Personally, I don't see what Satako's doing as anything worse than "flashing a cross at a vampire", with the CD as "the cross" and the wicked stepfamily as "the vampires".

Just giving people (or at least trying to anyway) what they want regarding two things audiences tend to positvely loathe: child abusers and karma houdinis (in the films, their communpence was rather light given their crime of years worth of horrible child abuse and enslavement).

If its going too far, then perhaps I'm taking the "Brothers Grimm" style a bit too far. Then again, its absolutely in character for Brother's Grimm villains to suffer Disproportinate Retribution for their actions.

Speaking of Brother's Grimm, it gives me a new idea for narrative. Homura in full demon form shows up and acts as "prosecutor". She shows Cinderella the Brother's Grimm version of the step family to prove that yes, they're utter scum and the 3rd disney film is just an anomoly. Homura continues with how they caused Satako to suffer yet ANOTHER post traumatic stress disorder breakdown (there's plenty of evidence Homura herself has it via 8 years of endless combat against indescribable horrors along with recently nearly being tortured to death by the Incubators). Then there's how that breakdown could have provoked another Hinimizawa Syndrome freak out.

Note: Hinimizawa Syndrome is perhaps the most nightmarish, horrific hate plagues in all of fiction

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#2117: Jul 29th 2014 at 9:22:00 AM

[up] I am honestly getting a little bit scared of you.

[up][up] And that is where your idea falls apart. You see, I am all fine fan fiction or stuff used for a joke or two, but basing some serious stuff like relations and stories on fanfics and theories just doesn't cut well with me.

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#2118: Jul 29th 2014 at 10:49:03 AM

So, anyone approving of Adam West?

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#2119: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:30:34 AM

[up][up]...

(Eyes dreadfully headcanonish Koishi interpretation)

Let's agree to disagree. That stuff doesn't belong in the Pantheon, but it can sure as hell belong outside of it.

edited 29th Jul '14 11:31:49 AM by GM_3826

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#2120: Jul 29th 2014 at 11:53:45 AM

Just to double check, but is there a god for Lilliputians or Little Peoples? Whenever or not I will do anything with that answer is base on how I feel about including the said character in (hint: its from Touhou)

And just as a side note, Cutie Mark Crusaders and Terumi (I believe) currently have the longest portfolio of any character.

edited 29th Jul '14 12:18:57 PM by TPPR10

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#2121: Jul 29th 2014 at 12:37:43 PM

[up][up][up] I approve of the Adam west portfolio.

[up][up][up][up][up] I apologize for answering your question late, yeah. She should have been punished at the end of the original Cinderella film...

But Homura's punishment for Tremanine is legit, for adding the sisters is going a bit too far.

edited 29th Jul '14 12:38:45 PM by HotmanX32

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#2122: Jul 29th 2014 at 12:39:21 PM

Aye for approval of Adam West.

Okay, I'll agree to the toning down of Tremaine's punishment if its starting to be not fun anymore. At least keep the Kick The Son Of A Bitch bits and the Brothers Grimm concept in there (just cut the excess while keeping the concept).

Just got an idea based on a Black Comedy character. Yes, he's also gonna be a Butt-Monkey.

Dolan God of Black Comedy Rape (Uncle Dolan)

  • Demi god
  • Symbol: A poorly drawn Donald head
  • Alignment: Chaotic Evil
  • Portfolio: Black Comedy Rape, Unsympathetic Comedy Protagonist, Troll, Depraved Bi Sexual, Axe-Crazy, Off-Model
  • Domains: Evil, Chaos, Trickery
  • Superior: Bernkastel
  • Allies: Trollkaiger, Hades
  • Enemies: Donald Duck, Goofy, Micky Mouse, Bugs Bunny, Sora, Riku, Aqua, Lol Ranger
  • Bernkastel pulled him into the pantheon from a kaekra in which Donald Duck is a violent psychopath. This was motivated as an attempt to troll the "toon gods". The initial shock proved to be of great amusement to Trollkaiger.
  • Soon afterwards, Dolan got a taste of his own medicine when he grossly underestimated Goofy, who he thought would be easy pickings like Gooby was. Too bad for Dolan, as his target was the Kingdom Hearts version who proceeded to give him a Curb-Stomp Battle alongside Donald and Mickey.
  • Dolan's cruel antics backfire frequently whenever Lol Ranger is present. Bugs is nowhere near as stupid as "Bogs Binny".
  • Talks in a horrifically mangled form of english that's produced by taking english, translating it into finnish, then translating the result back into english all while sounding like something out of a computer speaking program. This drives Spock crazy.
  • Dolan's favorite haunt is The Disgraces, to whom he gives the words "X, pls" before doing his trademark behaviour on them.

edited 29th Jul '14 1:07:44 PM by magnum12

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#2123: Jul 29th 2014 at 12:44:01 PM

[up][up]All right. Theater he's in. Will need help finding tropes for him (his self-demonstrating page doesn't have any on him) though. I SO can't wait for LEGO Batman 3 just for 1960's Batman. Also Hotman, you have any other suggestions for what to do AFTER the Fourze and Pinkie Pie stories are done? There will be lots of stories involved and here's a glimpse at what is to come

  • Beyond The Horizon: The story of gods that were not present in either the Revival or Armageddon party stories, gearing up and heading for war.
  • Penalty Card: Alternate!Gentaro picked up a fourth member of the Darkness Proxy prior to his banishment to the Friendship Asylum, and said member decides to create an act so evil, that it will set the tone for what is to come.
  • Raisins in the Sun: Mitsuzane Kureshima's relentless pain continues as the gods from "Beyond the Horizon" decide to pick him apart. Then this will cause a Wham Episode which will be...
  • The Four Kings of Animus: Alternate!Gentaro breaks out of the asylum and will take the souls of the four he chose, and then fill their empty bodies with the All-Star Power he obtained. This sets up a humongous case of destruction since the fourth proxy he chose has the Egyptian God Cards....

so, what do you think?

Edit: Just remembered. Queen Chrysalis has to get justice done on her due to what she caused (after all, if she didn't brainwash Ryusei to kill Gentaro...). I already have a story planned for her in the Tales of the Alliance. (smirks)

edited 29th Jul '14 3:49:37 PM by Camilla

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#2125: Jul 29th 2014 at 1:43:01 PM

[up][up][up] I could be wrong but I think that position is taken.


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