Characters: Fairy Tail Dark Guilds
Dark guilds are guilds in the Fairy Tail series that act without consent of the Magic Council. They are mainly all criminal organizations, and serve as antagonists in the series.Here be spoilers.Back to the main character index
Gato is voiced by: Hiroki Goto (JP), Cris George (EN) A pair of monkey-like brothers who run Naked Mummy together.
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The first dark guild of the series. The members of this guild seek out the demon flute Lullaby and try to use its deadly music to launch an assassination plot against the guild masters of Fiore.
Erigor / Grim Reaper
Voiced by: Koichi Tochika (JP), Jonathan Brooks (EN)The ace and acting leader of Eisenwald. He is skilled at using Wind Magic to attack, defend, and trap opponents.Post-Time Skip, Erigor appears as a member of the Reborn Oración Seis under the name "Grim Reaper". In exchange for his memories of his entire life, he gains storm magic to control the weather.
- Arc Villain: Of the Lullaby arc.
- Badass Longcoat: Wears one when he reappears in the anime, which is also the one that Jellal wears later on.
- Bald of Evil: Post-Time Skip.
- Big Bad: Of the Lullaby arc, where he attempts to use the Lullaby flute to kill the Guild Masters, with Lullaby itself serving as the Greater Scope Villain.
- Blow You Away: He uses Wind Magic.
- Brainwashed and Crazy: As Grim Reaper.
- Do Not Touch the Funnel Cloud: The whole point of his Wind Wall spell is that the visible part is definitely not something you want to touch. His Storm Mail spell works under a similar principle, but as a subversion there's still a great deal of wind blowing around the funnel itself.
- Elemental Rock-Paper-Scissors: Holds this in Natsu's face when they fight. Backfires spectacularly in the end.
- Even Evil Has Loved Ones: Memories of his True Companions from Eisenwald are the first thing to stir when his brainwashing starts to fade. Even in his mental realm, Erigor pictures his old self standing besides the silhouettes of his Eisenwald guildmates.
- Flight: One of the few characters who can do so unaided by wings.
- Improbable Weapon User: Post Time Skip, he decides to conclude his duel with Bickslow and Wendy by dropping a whole herd of cows on them.
- Laser-Guided Amnesia: He gives up his memories in exchange for power over the Time Skip. As such, he doesn't remember anything about being Erigor of Eisenwald.
- Making a Splash: Post-Time Skip, with his Storm Magic he can do this as well. It all ties into him controlling all forms of weather.
- Mind-Control Eyes: As a member of the Reborn Oración Seis, his eyes are shown to be a dull, glassy gray. His personality is also much more subdued than in his earlier appearances.
- Razor Wind: His winds can form sharp blades.
- Red Baron: Earned the title "Shinigami" due to his only taking requests to kill people. Ironically, he looks more like The Grim Reaper. This incidentally becomes his codename when he joins the Reborn Oración Seis.
- Revive Kills Zombie: When Wendy realizes that the memories of his past are physically hurting him, she keeps on casting healing spells on him until he recovers all his memories, freeing him from Oración Seis' grasp.
- Scarf of Asskicking: In his first appearance.
- Shock and Awe: Post-Time Skip, thanks to his newfound Storm Magic.
- Sinister Scythe: Part of his death motif. After the Time Skip, his scythe seems necessary for his Storm Magic.
- Tattooed Crook
- Took a Level in Badass: After the Time Skip he's become an official member of the Reborn Oración Seis, looks a lot more like the Grim Reaper, and can throw whole hurricanes on people with ease. Too bad he also loses his memory.
- Wake-Up Call Boss: He was the first antagonist that Natsu couldn't just bash into a wall with raw determination.
- Walking Shirtless Scene
- What Happened to the Mouse?: After his defeat, Lucy fears that Erigor will come back to take revenge. However, he's never seen and barely even mentioned again after that.
- The anime rectifies this. He reappears in the Nirvana arc as part of one of the many dark guilds controlled by Oración Seis, and has a rematch with Natsu. However, the drastic differences in their power are made apparent, and he's taken out in less than half an episode. He later appears after the Time Skip as a full-blown member of the Reborn Oración Seis.
- Worthy Opponent: During his anime-only rematch with Natsu, he admits that what he'd really hoped for was to fight Natsu again and win.
- You Gotta Have Blue Hair
Voiced by: Anri Katsu (JP), Chad Cox (EN)Erigor's right-hand man. He uses shadow magic to blend into his surroundings.
- Casting a Shadow: He is an accomplished shadow wizard, and can use shadows for a variety of purposes, including Combat Tentacles and transportation.
- Dark Is Not Evil: He is unable to bring himself to actually kill the guild masters, especially after Team Natsu helps him out, leading to his Heel-Face Turn.
- The Dragon: To Erigor.
- Expy: He is essentially an evil, older Shikamaru, though he is definitely his own character.
- Heel-Face Turn
- Impaled with Extreme Prejudice: By Karacka, to shut him up.
- Meaningful Name: "Kage" means "shadow".
- Shaping Your Attacks: The Orochi Shadow, along with many fist and hand-shaped attacks.
- The Smart Guy: Is hinted to be highly intelligent due to his mastery of sealing magic.
- You Have Failed Me: Has this pulled on him before he can possibly betray Eisenwald. Natsu is not amused.
Voiced by: Eiji Sekiguchi (JP), Will Christoferson (EN)A wizard who uses Urumi magic to create blades that ensnare his opponents.
vVoiced by: Masaki Kawanabe (JP), Chris Cason (EN)A fat wizard who can use earth magic to phase his body through objects.
- Dishing Out Dirt: Karacka's Earth Magic allows him to phase through walls and, in the anime, people as well.
- Elite Mooks: Has a bit more characterization then the other Mooks of Eisenwald.
- Heel-Face Turn: Karacka is seen free and reformed at the Fantasia festival.
- Fat Bastard: Fat and part of a Dark Guild.
- Screw This, I'm Outta Here!: Karacka runs away after seeing his comrades defeated by Erza.
Voiced by: Daisuke Endou (JP), Tyson Rinehart (EN)A wizard who uses Light Magic and Telekinesis.
- Anime Hair: Has a pillar of hair.
- Bullying a Dragon: He taunts Erza and Rayule taunts Gray.
- Elite Mooks: Has a bit more characterization then the other Mooks of Eisenwald.
- Light 'em Up: Appears able to use light magic, though he's beaten by Erza before he can use it.
- Light Is Not Good: It's clear, however, that his magic doesn't make him a good guy.
- Too Dumb to Live: Thinks he can take on Erza, even after witnessing her wipe out the bulk of their guild's numbers all on her own firsthand. The results are predictable.
One of the lesser dark guilds in the series. They try to rob the Love & Lucky merchants' guild (where Lucy's father works after he loses his fortune) to pay off a debt to their superiors, Oración Seis.
Gato & Zato
Gato & Zato
Gato is voiced by: Hiroki Goto (JP), Cris George (EN) A pair of monkey-like brothers who run Naked Mummy together.
Zato is voiced by: Tomoyuki Higuchi (JP), Paul Giovanni Ramirez (EN)
- Animal Motifs: Monkeys.
- Bullying a Dragon: Zato spreads plenty of rumors about Fairy Tail being a weak guild and tries beating Laxus to the ground. The results are predictable.
- Everything's Better with Monkeys
- Funny Afro: Zato
- Harmless Villain: Fights Fairy Tail three times and gets curb stomped every single time.
- Let's Get Dangerous: When they prepare to fight Natsu and Gray. They still get their asses handed to them.
- Noodle Incident: Their fight against Natsu and Gray off-screen. They are apparently strong enough to cause them some trouble.
- Red Baron: "Crazy Monkey" Gato
- Running Gag: The fact that they call each other "Big Brother", making it impossible to determine who is really the other brother. Gato has also the habit of repeating himself several times.
A Dark Guild that makes its appearance after the Time Skip. Notable in that it has a role on the Taiyou village arc and that Minerva is one of its members. Also notable in that it is a subordinate guild to Tartarus.
Voiced by: Taku Yashiro (JP)
The first member of Succubus Eye, with most of the details about him unknown. He is Minerva's superior, and he has the ability to make people regress back into children. Also, he's not human; he's actually a demon summoned from the Books of Zeref by Tartarus.
- Always a Bigger Fish: How does he finally lose? That flying, one-eyed monster from before flies down and eats him.
- Attack Backfire: Due to the way Maker Magic works, Doriate's power ended up being more helpful to Gray than harmful, in spite of weakening his power.
- Berserk Button: When Gray, despite being turned back into a child, is able to fight back and even talk down at him, Doriate gets so angry he loses focus on the Law of Regression and assumes his demon form to attack Gray.
- Brown Note: In his demon form, his Law of Regression can be used as a sound wave so that instead of only being able to affect the enemy in front of him, it was able to regress everybody in the Sun Village back to their childhood. The downside is that it doesn't discriminate between friend or foe, as seen when it hits his partner Minerva.
- Combat Pragmatist: He turns his victims into children so that they'll be easier to deal with. He also doesn't waste any time casting it once an enemy is in sight.
- Death by Irony: After wanting to eat Gray, he himself gets eaten by a giant, flying monster.
- Does Not Know His Own Strength: He can still use his magic while in his One-Winged Angel form, but he is no longer capable of aiming (or he just doesn't bother to do so anymore), causing everyone - including Minerva and Sylph Labyrinth - to get hit with Law of Regression.
- Fangs Are Evil: Even with his mouth shut, he has a lot of fangs jutting out.
- Fountain of Youth: His magic hits his victims with this. According to him, his magic actually affects the magic power of the victim, and their turning into a child is a secondary effect.
- Foreshadowing: Why was he subconsciously avoiding the ice around him? The ice was made via Devil Slayer magic, which would hit beings like him For Massive Damage.
- I'm a Humanitarian: If his attempt to eat Gray is any indication.
- Killed Off for Real
- Kryptonite Is Everywhere: Bordering on Too Dumb to Live, as the area he was fighting in was coated in ice that would severely damage him.
- No Badass to His Valet: He's likely aware that Minerva is the former ace of Sabertooth, but that doesn't change the fact she is still a newbie in her current guild.
- One-Winged Angel: When he gets really angry he hulks out into a huge demon. On the bright side, he's too angry to keep up the Law of Regression in this state.
- Our Demons Are Different: He's a demon from the Books of Zeref.
- Red Eyes, Take Warning: His eyes are revealed to be red in the anime, and he is not a nice guy.
- Status Buff: Law of Regression's primary effect is to lower the opponent's abilities; the transformation into a child is a side effect.
- Would Hurt a Child: He definitely has no problem with beating up adults with the bodies of children. We've never seen him fight actual kids, but given his personality, he'd probably attack children like he would any other.
- Weak, but Skilled: Subverted. Gray assumes he uses Law Of Regression to weaken his enemies as a means to make up for his somewhat average power, which seems to match up to how the fight was going. Then he reveals his true colors as a powerful demon.
A black magic cult that fills the void left after the Balam Alliance's defeat. They worship Zeref as a Physical God of Evil, and seek to force every other wizard in Earth-land to do the same.
- Catchphrase: Zeref's will be done!!!
- Creepy Cathedral: This serves as their base of operations, fitting for a cult of black wizards.
- Cult: Pretty much the human version of Tartaros's devotion to Zeref. There are several different numbers of cells that form the cult.
- Curb-Stomp Battle: On the receiving end of it come the final battle. Team Natsu practically decimates them without so much as a single scratch on them and even the War God Alok summons goes down in two punches by Natsu before he can wreck any havoc.
- Evil Plan: The goal of the cult is "Operation Purify" and if Gajeel's words hold true it will bring about the deaths of many innocent people.Turns out that it's a plan to wipe out Malva town's population, which they believe would summon Zeref. Though only Alok knows that the real sacrifices are the Avatar Cultists themselves.
- Evil Power Vacuum: With the Balam Alliance gone, they decide to finally take over in their place.
- Irony: They are performing their 'purification ritual' because they think it will summon Zeref. They actually got this backwards; Zeref doesn't appear because of a large number of deaths, a large number of deaths occur because of Zeref's appearance.
- Meaningful Name: In Hinduism, an avatar is a deliberate descent of a deity to Earth, or a descent of the Supreme Being and is mostly translated into English as "incarnation", but more accurately as "appearance" or "manifestation".
- Mooks: Like Tartaros they have a large amount of flunkies at their disposal.
- The Mole: Someone in the cult is a spy for the Magic Council leaking them information. Naturally everyone is on the edge. It's Levy, masquerading as a rank-and-file cultist.
- Turns out that there's more than one person infiltrating the guild. That other person is Gray but he's been doing so as part of a mission with Erza that's completely separate from the council.
- Not What I Signed Up For: Alok never told his other members that his plan banked on them being defeated so that he can unleash a war god and sacrifice them to it. Needless to say once they find out, they're utterly horrified.
- Religion of Evil: Worships Zeref as a living deity, much like Tartaros and Grimoire Heart.
- Wanted Poster: They have their own wanted poster with a high amount of Jewels.
The high priest of Avatar. A faithful follower of Black Magic, he's currently planning a certain ritual to "purify" the world for Zeref.
- All According to Plan: Cites that he saw the defeat of his members long before hand and it according to his plan for "Operation Purification". That's because he never intended anyone, even his fellow cultists, to survive "Operation Purification" anyways.
- Arc Villain: In the Fairy Tail Revival ( Avatar ) arc.
- Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever: His ultimate summon, the God of War, Ikusatsunagi.
- Bad Boss: Doesn't give two craps about even his elites getting killed after summoning Ikusatsunagi, since in the end only devotion to Zeref matters.
- Badass Cape: One that covers his entire body.
- Badass Preacher: Even if we haven't yet seen him in action, he exudes this trope in spades. And he does not disappoint when he does.
- Barrier Warrior: He creates barriers that his own attacks can pass through, but his enemy's can't. So Natsu just powers on through.
- Cool Mask: An iron mask that covers his entire face.
- Evil Cannot Comprehend Good: He's so blindly devoted to his cause that he scoff at things like friendship and family values.
- Facial Horror: He wears a mask because his face's flesh has been burned off.
- Good Scars, Evil Scars: His entire face under his Cool Mask is burned. This is apparently the price for summoning Ikusatsunagi.
- Magic Staff: He holds a staff with a eye with wings on it that looks similar to Keyes' Khakkhara.
- The Stoic: He did not seem phased by the defeat of his soldiers even suggesting this was to be expected.
- Not So Stoic: Get his upon seeing Ikusatsunagi go down in two power punches from Natsu foiling his endgame.
- This Cannot Be!: Left utterly dumbstruck that Natsu managed to beat a War God.
- Slasher Smile: Once his mask his damaged, he sports one of these while Ikusatsunagi slaughters his own men.
- Summon Magic: Though in a much different form that a Celestial Wizard. His apparently summons gods. It's actually the same magic Minerva used during the Grand Magic Games, only a much higher-tier entity than what she summoned.
- Tin Tyrant: Aside from his Badass Cape, he's decked out in a suit of armor that obscures his entire body from sight.
- We Have Reserves: He does not give one single solitary crap about his followers (up to and including his own granddaughter). See all those examples of The Worf Effect below? Yeah, he wanted that to happen. In fact, once he summons Ikusatsunagi, he gleefully states that the souls of those who worship Zeref will be the ultimate sacrifice to their god. The absolute revulsion in Natsu's expression when he says this speaks volumes.
One of the cult members of Avatar who goes by the title "Shade Sword". He's very suspicious of their newest member, and accused him of being The Mole for the Magic Council.
- Bishōnen: He's a definitive pretty boy with golden locks and long eyelashes.
- Black Swords Are Better: Shows off his shade sword right at Lucy's face on the ground.
- Blond Guys Are Evil: Has pretty gold hair, yet is one of Zeref's worshippers.
- The Comically Serious: He seems quite intrigued by Briar's nicknames.
- Genre Savvy: He doesn't trust Gray due to his membership in Fairy Tail being a well-known fact, as well as Gray having zero reason to want to worship Zeref due to his family being killed off by Zeref's demons. Thus he is the first to accuse him of being The Mole for the Magic Council. However, he ultimately accepts Gray's explanation for joining Avatar.
- Turns out his suspicions about Gray were right all along. It's just that Gray wasn't The Mole for the council, he instead was one for Erza, a matter completely separate from the Magic Council.
- Informed Ability: He's supposed to be a Master Swordsman. And then he fought Erza...
- Make Them Rot: His sword has this effect on whatever it cuts.
- Messy Hair: He is noted for his unkempt hair, which earns him the nickname "Scruffy" from Briar.
- Oh Crap!: He's clearly shows his anger when Gray arrives to ruin the operation confirming his earlier suspicions.
- Red Baron: "Shade Sword" Jerome.
- The Worf Effect: He jumps in on the battle against Erza, managing to corode her armor. But the moment she likewise took out her own blade. He was already defeated because she has long since slashed him before he realizes it.
A female cultist of Avatar. She likes to give her comrades in the group certain nicknames depending on their behavior and themes, and at times seems to be the Only Sane Woman in the guild. She's also been stated to be the strongest wizard of Avatar.
- Absolute Cleavage: Her top is just a band of cloth tied together at the front.
- Berserk Button: Betrayal. She took Gray's very, very personally.
- Dark-Skinned Blond: Of the white-haired variety.
- Dishing Out Dirt: She can cause shockwaves through the ground while fighting.
- Human Popsicle: Three of her clones are now frozen in Gray's ice.
- Only Sane Woman: When Jerome got in Gray's face accusing him of being The Mole for the Magic Council, she's the one who tried to keep the peace. Apparently, she knows what in-fighting can do to a Dark Guild, or a black magic cult for that matter.
- The Nicknamer: Tends to give weird nicknames to her teammates, such as "Scruffy" for Jerome, "Wicked Tongue" for Mary, and "Ice" for Gray. She later gives Jerome the nickname "Eyelashes".
- Self-Duplication: Her splitting magic creates four clones, who embody grief, love, happiness and rage.
- The Stoic: She kept her cool when Gray showed up to ruin Avatar's plans quickly ordering cultists to attack Team Natsu.
- Vapor Wear: It's a wonder how she doesn't completely explode out of her top.
- Stripperiffic: Her outfit looks like a Middle-Eastern belly-dancer's outfit.
- The Worf Effect: She was already having trouble with Gray. Juvia joining in on the fight pretty much sealed her defeat.
A female cultist of Avatar. She has a cat-themed motif and is head over heels for the newest member.
- Agony Beam: Her Virus magic can be used in this way, though it's done through a viral infection.
- Animal-Eared Headband: Wears a headband shaped like cat ears.
- Beware the Nice Ones: Don't her smiles fool you, she is not a Zeref cultist for the social aspect... as Lucy and Natsu found out.
- Cute and Psycho: Once we finally see her in action, she has the most bizarrely cheerful expression on her face, giggling while using her magic on Lucy.
- Dangerously Short Skirt: The bottom half of her dress barely manages to cover the tops of her thighs. It's especially obvious after she's left on the ground following Lucy's Megaton Punch to her gut, with it riding almost up over her waist.
- Exotic Eye Designs: Her eyes have diamond-shaped pupils.
- Et Tu, Brute?: Just look at the despair on her face when she realizes that Arlock never intended for her to survive Operation Purification.
- Laser-Guided Karma: When she showed off her magic, she loves to target the stomach to see her opponents writhe in agony. When Lucy and she face off, Lucy takes her one out with one punch to the stomach (amplified by her Taurus dress robe). Ironically as she falls to the ground, Mary complains of feeling nauseous.
- Meaningful Name: Her name appears to be a reference to Mary Mallon, better known as Typhoid Mary, an infamously asymptomatic carrier of typhoid fever believed to have unintentionally infected fifty-one people (killing three of them), despite showing no outward signs of illness.
- Plague Master: Her magic infects nearby foes with viruses. She favors attacking the digestive tract, but can lethally target the brain.
- Perky Female Minion: She's the most chipper of all the Avatar members.
- Slasher Smile: A rather creepy variant of this, in that it's what you get when you cross a Slasher Smile with a Moe Stare.
- Soft-Spoken Sadist: She speaks care-freely as she tortures Lucy with her magic. Now we know how she got the nickname "Wicked Tongue" from Blair.
- Squishy Wizard: She can't take punches well. Likewise, a wizard who has support magic (like Wendy) can easily counteract her viruses leaving her virtually defenseless.
- Supernatural Gold Eyes: Her eyes are gold, and combined with the pupils, is meant to reinforce the cat theme.
- Tears of Fear: She cries after finding out her grandfather intended to sacrifice her and again when Avatar is beaten after seeing how strong Fairy Tail is.
- Tempting Fate: In her second meeting with Lucy, she once more targets Lucy's stomach, incapacitating her. All the while mocking how Fairy Tail is weak. Not a second after that statement, Wendy arrives and counters Mary's magic and, with no other means of offense, Mary's stuck blindly charging at Lucy and quickly gets dropped with one punch.
- Villainous Crush: Admits that she finds Gray "dreamy."
- The Worf Effect: Only took one hit to the stomach by Lucy (albeit using her Taurus dress) to be put down.
- You Gotta Have Blue Hair: Her hair is pink.
A bald headed member of Avatar. He is the group's Torture Technician who seems to have his eyes closed most of the time. Granted, it's for good reason.
- Bald of Evil: He has no hair, and instead has kanji written on his forehead.
- Beware the Silly Ones: He seems a bit comical about torture and his tea puns... but that did not stop him from trying to cut Lucy in half.
- Big Ol' Eyebrows: His are big and spiky.
- Bilingual Bonus: A two-for: Written with different kanji, his name means "torture". The kanji on his forehead, on the other hand, reads "matcha," which is a type of green tea.
- Chain Pain: Uses these along with magic cuffs to tie up Virgo and Natsu. They have an Anti-Magic effect, as well.
- Cosplay: He's actually by his own admission cosplaying as Zeref with the attire he has on.
- Embarrassing Tattoo: To show his devotion to Zeref, he tattooed his forehead with what he believed was the kanji for Zeref. Unfortunately due to being unfamiliar with kanji, what he got doesn't read as Zeref.
- Eyes Always Shut: His whole face is scrunched up at all times. Probably because he is a lot less intimidating with them open.
- Fanboy: In-Universe, of Zeref. He says that his choice of outfit is actually cosplaying as Zeref, and he even thought the kanji on his forehead spelled Zeref's name (it doesn't).
- Human Popsicle: He was frozen solid while trying to cut Lucy in half by his own "nakama," Gray Fullbuster.
- Just for Pun: "He's bolt-tea-ng?!"
- Mind over Matter: His magic appears to be a form of telekinesis.
- Naked People Are Funny: When Gajeel raids the Avatar headquarters, he finds Gomon stripped naked, bound and gagged and left on his horse torture device. Likely this was Natsu's doing in revenge for binding him.
- Pungeon Master: He has a tendency to make bad tea-related puns.
- This Loser Is You: Appears to be a tongue-in-cheek parody of stereotypical fanboy convention-goers, especially fans of shonen villains.
- Torture Technician: He has quite a collection of torture instruments, making him this for the cult. His arsenal of torture instruments include an iron maiden, and a wooden horse.
- The Worf Effect: He never had a chance against Natsu.
A member of the Avatar cult decked head to toe in an impressive suit of armor. He only goes by the letter D and number 6, really begging the question of he's even human at all.
- Cool Mask: Has an oddly-shaped mask with a small grate right in the center.
- Red Eyes, Take Warning: More like red eye, which can glow.
- Shoulders of Doom: He wears giant shoulder pads shaped like horned demon faces.
- The Unreveal: We never find out his magic as he's beaten before he can reveal it.
- We Hardly Knew Ye: We never learn about his magic or if he's even human or not.
- The Worf Effect: He gets curb-stomps twice before we're even see what his magic can do. First time by Natsu when he tried to ambush him and again by Pantherlily as he's trying to rally the retreating Avatar army.
- You Are Number Six: His name is simply a letter and a number.
A childlike member of the Avatar Cult. He wears clown makeup and the doll he carries around used to belong to a certain someone in Grimore Heart.
- Chekhov's Gun: Yes, that doll he's holding is Mr. Cursey. Able uses the same type of magic as Kain Hikaru. He shows off it's magic on Happy as the trio gets captured.
- Creepy Child: He certainly looks and acts like one, given his tiny size.
- Hollywood Voodoo: Uses the same type of magic as Kain, right down to using the same voodoo doll.
- Meaningful Name: His name is almost certainly a reference to Cain and Abel from The Bible. Interestingly, another character named Kain was the previous owner of the doll he's always seen holding, which Able himself confirms.
- Monster Clown: The makeup he wears resembles a clown, and he certainly didn't join a cult worshipping Zeref to do good things.
- We Hardly Knew Ye: We don't learn the relationship with him and Kain or how he got the doll from Kain.
- The Worf Effect: Natsu takes him out with one attack. Happens again in the climax by Gajeel who likewise swipes Mr. Cursey from him.