And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
This is when the villain has developed a devious plot that is prepared for anything
the hero might do — except for one glaring flaw
. For some reason, the villain has not considered the possibility of a Heroic Sacrifice
. After all, you'd never catch him
throwing his life away to save a bunch of lazy, ungrateful civilians who don't care about anybody except themselves. Heck, even saving your True Companions
comes after saving your own life
. Only an idiot would throw his life away like that — and only because he didn't realize how much more profitable saving it would be. Sometimes that PR would be bad, but you only have to get him to where he can act secretly
to get it out of him.
Too bad for the villain that Machiavelli Was Wrong
goes and makes the Heroic Sacrifice
anyway, thereby ruining the villain's plan with a Didn't See That Coming
that a Dangerously Genre Savvy
villain really should have seen coming. This is one of the ways those with Honor Before Reason
can continue to defeat the Big Bad
. This is a major problem for villains who really believe they are Not So Different
and think heroes could have used their powers for Evil
, as opposed to villains who are just screwing with the Hero's head
Occasionally, greater justification
is provided by having a hero who the villain knows is a Jerkass
and the Anti-Hero
decides to redeem himself
at the critical moment, or the villain will meet a hero who decides to Turn the Other Cheek
instead of fighting back.
The inability to comprehend good altruistic behaviour (especially when it results in punishment
) is a common trait in cynics
, Straw Nihilists
, greedy economics-minded people
, Social Darwinists
, and sociopaths
(who really are incapable of feeling things that have no selfish incentive, such as compassion). This is Truth in Television
in many cases.
An alternative version involves the Hero giving in to the villain's manipulative demands, agreeing that, yes, We Can Rule Together
(usually to the horror of his sidekicks, Love Interest
, and True Companions
) as a ruse
to defeat the villain. The villain falls for it because it's what he'd have done if the situations were reversed.
villains may content themselves with bribing the hero. After all, justice
and don't get a good exchange rate. Yet The Hero
goes and turns down the Briefcase Full of Money
or a share in the proceeds of a robbery. Similarly, those affected by the Green-Eyed Monster
often assume that The Hero
is equally preoccupied with whatever inspired their envy, and the Knight Templar
does not realize that other people differ about the relative values of what he supports versus what he is willing to sacrifice for its sake. When the Hero interrupts an Attempted Rape
, the would-be rapist may propose an easy solution: he can join in! Which doesn't work well.
leave the villain even more certain. A Doomed Moral Victor
's inspiration or a Heroic Bystander
will flabbergast these villains, as will a Mook's Heel-Face Turn
that is inspired by the hero's example, or a Mook who proves that Even Evil Has Standards
. Indeed, he may help the Mook along
by threatening their loved ones.
Never underestimate The Power of Love
. What Is This Thing You Call Love? Is it just incomprehensible nonsense
, or should I try to understand it?
May end in An Aesop
that Rousseau Was Right
and/or Silly Rabbit, Cynicism Is for Losers!
Can be played for laughs if the villain in question does a Heel-Face Turn
and becomes a Hero with an F in Good
A favored ethical position of Socratic and Platonic philosophers, who hold that goodness is
wisdom and understanding and that no-one does evil simply For the Evulz
. In other words, evil does not so much fail to understand good as it can only be evil at all because
it fails to understand good.
The God of Evil
, or other beings that are Made of Evil
are normally shown as being incapable of understanding things like compassion or goodness. In this case, pure evil cannot understand something that their nature renders them unable to experience themselves. This is Older Than Feudalism
: The Bible
often depicts the Devil in this fashion, where he's unable to appeal to anything other than selfish desires when manipulating humans. This is often the reason a Deal with the Devil
fails; the deal maker's inability to understand good leaves a loophole that someone who can is able to take advantage of, or simply offer something that doesn't truly matter to the target.
Contrast It's All About Me
; when the villain expects the hero to behave not selfishly, but generously toward him. When the trope is Evil Cannot Comprehend Good, the villain can't understand why the hero saved him from falling; in It's All About Me
, the villain can't understand why the hero insists on arresting him after. It can get a little fuzzy when the character decides to be generous: did he murder his son's romantic rival because he didn't realize his son would hate it — this trope — or because he was so caught up in the notion of his own generosity that he didn't care what his son thought — It's All About Me?
Also contrast Virtue Is Weakness
, where the villain actually does
comprehend what goodness entails, but sees it only as a weakness in others to be exploited.
Supertrope of Beware the Honest Ones
. Contrast Good Is Old-Fashioned
, Silly Rabbit, Idealism Is for Kids!
, and Good Cannot Comprehend Evil
. Compare Blue and Orange Morality
. Often involves Psychological Projection
. When someone evil is
capable of understanding or admiring good, it may lead to Sympathy for the Hero
. If this trope is at work because the villain thinks he
is the good guy and is baffled at the heroes wanting to stop him, it's because he's Obliviously Evil
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- Trigun: Knives, being something of a Psychopathic Manchild, doesn't understand why his twin brother Vash would choose to side with the humans over himself, when the humans (in Knives' eyes) are nothing more than parasites who leech the lives of Plants (from whom Knives and Vash were born).
- Yu-Gi-Oh! GX:
- Giese Hunt assumes that the reason why Johan uses the Crystal Beast cards is because he seeks its ace card, Rainbow Dragon, to sell for profit, which is what Giese seeks it for. Johan angrily retorts that the Crystal Beast cards have a bond with and chose him as their master, and even if he found Rainbow Dragon, he would only treat it as another friend.
- Edo Phoenix is the designated and self-proclaimed Anti-Hero, so he confuses even himself when he makes a Heroic Sacrifice trying to save Ekou, someone he just met who should mean nothing to him.
- Yu-Gi-Oh!: During the Death-T arc, when Yugi and his pals are trapped in the Death T-3 room, which involves giant blocks falling and attempting to crush them, Kaiba firmly believes that everyone only cares about themselves most of all and at least one of Yugi's group will betray the others to save themselves. Honda/Tristan proves him wrong when he is pinned by the jacket between two blocks, helping Yugi escape and remaining behind.
- Fist of the North Star:
- If Shin really knew and loved Yuria, he really wouldn't be surprised that she was Driven to Suicide by the cruelty and genocide he committed in the name of earning her love. It's revealed in a later episode (though in chronological order in Yuria Den) that he realized she was lost to him, after she survived her fall only to unconsciously call for Ken.
- In the case of Raoh, he's so emotionally stunted by his drive to conquer the world that while he still gets brotherly love (hence one of the anime's most touching scenes), romantic love flies right over his head. As a result, he mistook his relationships with Reina and Yuria for ambition (Reina as a comrade in his ambition, Yuria as the source/prize of his ambition) instead of could-have-been-love. The sheer ignorance of Raoh's response, when he's subsequently frightened both by Kenshiro and by Fudou's children, wondering at the source of Kenshiro's power...
- After Jackal's gang murdered an old lady that was taking care of a bunch of little children, Kenshiro swore that he would track, find, and kill all of them, and began to do just that. After finding a corpse of one of his comrades, a bandit said he didn't understand why Kenshiro was doing something he gained nothing with.
- In Futari Wa Pretty Cure Splash Star, Lord Akudaikahn is so utterly unable to understand anything but his own thirst for destruction that he has a Villainous Breakdown and goes completely insane when the Heel-Face Turn-ed Michiru and Kaoru reveal to him that, in fact, he did commit a good deed by giving them life.
- In Cyborg 009, 004 was faced with a fully robot duplicate of himself which was not only stronger and faster, but could perfectly predict his actions. Until their battle knocked a bird's nest loose from a tree; the mere act of 004 diving to catch it was so unexpected to the robot that it was effectively a Logic Bomb and caused the robot to malfunction and shut down.
- The Darkstalkers OVA had Bishamon suffer this when Donovan put himself at risk to save human bystanders during their fight.
- Naraku, from InuYasha, privately expresses some confusion when Sango simply will not kill her little brother Kohaku, no matter what he makes him do. While he was played for this trope for most of the series, another particularly despicable instance being when he claims the way the protagonists would just show mercy to a loyal underling whom he just sent on a suicide mission to take them out makes him sick, he is ultimately revealed to be an interesting subversion when Kagome points out that he is part human and couldn't possibly carried out his Manipulative Bastard antics if he didn't understand the meaning of human bonds, which, on the one hand, manages to make him a great deal more terrifying as a villain than he would be if he simply didn't get goodness, since it means that he always knew exactly what his actions would do to the protagonists, but on the other hand revealed that his motivations had to go beyond mere lust for power. It is interesting that he was never really aware that the vestiges of humanity he tried so hard to get rid of were, in fact, as much of an asset to him as they were to the protagonist.
- Played for tragedy in Black Lagoon when Creepy Child Gretel is so confused by Rock showing her genuine kindness and crying for her that she sexually proposes to Rock as thanks.
- Similarly to the example from Black Lagoon, in the manga version of Battle Royale, Mitsuko Souma is captured by Tadakatsu, a baseball player, and Yuichiro, an otaku. While Tadakatsu is wary of her, Yuichiro is more sympathetic and makes the effort to talk to her. Having been abused and exploited by men for most of her life, Mitsuko assumes that Yuichiro's just trying to get into her knickers when he offers to untie her hands. However, she's surprised to discover that he's just going to give her a drink and has no ulterior motives, and is even more surprised when he takes a bullet from Tadakatsu to protect her.
- In Death Note:
- Mello had kidnapped and traumatized Sayu. Soichiro, Sayu and Light's father, had managed to get the Shinigami Eyes and got back the notebook. Light was expecting his father to write out Mello's name as soon as he saw his face but Soichiro simply threatened Mello, preferring to arrest him. Light couldn't understand why Soichiro would do that.
- Used again with Mello and Light later on, after Mello kidnaps Takada. Mello is killed in ensuing events. Light, whose first loyalty is to his own survival, cannot conceive that someone like Mello would sacrifice himself for any reason and walks right into the trap convinced that Mello was just an idiot. Although not exactly hero and villain, this is clearly a case of selfishness cannot comprehend loyalty. It's worth noting that with other characters that are more clearly good guys, Light tends to have better success predicting their behavior - Near is an example - but, perhaps because Mello demonstrates a kindred disregard for human life early on, Light simply assumes that the other is driven by greed rather than revenge.
- The Antispiral's speech to Nia in the final episode of Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann would indicate that it doesn't understand why humanity continues to fight against the impossible odds it faces: "Your actions are baffling, Irregular. Why do you resist us so?" After it asserts that it could permanently suppress humanity if it knew what the source of their determination was, Nia then lampshades the trope, stating that the Anti-Spiral cannot possibly understand and that it should stop trying. Unfazed, the Anti-Spiral states that it doesn't need to understand, it just needs to know.
- Magnificent Bastard Yokoya from Liar Game scoffs and mocks Nao's ideal of saving everyone in the game, including himself.
- In Rurouni Kenshin, Kanryu Takeda does not understand why the heroes are trying to rescue Megumi even though there is no reward waiting for them. He is even more bewildered that they refuse to take his bribes.
- Black Cat: Creed is the living embodiment of this, although it verges on "Insanity Cannot Comprehend Sanity" at times. Literally every problem in series was triggered by Creed's inability to process, or even understand, ordinary human feelings. Creed honestly can't understand why his murder of Saya would prevent Train from wanting to join him. Similarly, it leaves him unable to understand why his Bad Boss tendencies will lead to poor morale among his subordinates. Creed seems to see people as existing apart from one another and, as such, social cause and effect has almost no meaning for him, which only fuels his issues.
- In Yu-Gi-Oh! 5Ds, Jose doesn't understand why Crow would lose on purpose just to give Yusei a fighting chance in their tag-team duel.
- As a part of his Villain Decay down to Smug Snake, Bleach's Sosuke Aizen gets hit with this by the end of his character arc. When Ichigo first confronts him, Aizen attempts to mess with his head by claiming Ichigo has no reason to hate him and is only fighting out of duty even though he and Ichigo both know Aizen will murder everyone Ichigo knows and loves if he's not stopped. Later on, when Ichigo reappears, clearly looking like he Took a Level in Badass, Aizen assumes the new form is no threat at all because Ichigo changed in a way he hadn't predicted. It hits Aizen much harder in relation to Urahara, however; Aizen appears to be genuinely bewildered and outraged that Urahara, the only man he considers his intellectual equal, is not only content to sit idle rather than try to control the afterlife, but also opposed to Aizen's attempts to do so.
- Ulquiorra is a much straighter example. He outright states that he doesn't understand why Ichigo fights him, even though he's hopelessly outclassed.
- Gaara from Naruto, back when he was an Ax-Crazy Serial Killer who honestly though his purpose in life was to kill people. When Guy stopped him from killing a beaten and defenceless Lee, he had no idea why Guy protected someone who "failed". We actually saw his world-view (represented by images of his childhood) shattering. Nor did he understand how Naruto could keep pushing himself so hard in their final fight, hard enough that even when both of them were utterly exhausted, Gaara was flat on his back but Naruto was crawling on his chest to fight him, because that was the only way to save Sakura and his friends. He only quit when Sasuke showed up and told him Sakura was safe. Naruto got Gaara just fine, though; he knew exactly what Gaara had been through and explained to him that it was finding friends like them that saved him from the dark, angry place Gaara was in himself. Worth noting is that Gaara takes this to heart and while he never quite loses the creepy vibe he gives off, he proves to be just as loyal to his friends and family as Naruto himself.
- In Slayers:
- This is the reason that Dark Star merges with his mortal enemy Vorfeed to become an entity to destroy all universes and then rebuild them into a world where the two of them would not need to fight each other anymore.
- In the manga, Knight of the Aqua Lord, the Big Bad of that season took the power of a god and went insane.
- Tao En/Yuan in Shaman King, who refuses to believe that you can trust anyone due to the way his ancestors were persecuted for their shaman powers. This is crucial to his defeat - he's more powerful than any of the main characters at that point, but watching The Power of Friendship trump self-preservation destroys his focus.
- The undeniable Queen of Evil in all Gundam Universes, Katejina Loos from Mobile Suit Victory Gundam, literally got sick since she couldn't comprehend Shakti's thoughts of ending the battle and preserving life.
- Haman Khan from Mobile Suit Gundam ZZ descended into cynicism and nihilism well before the series began, which is why she can't understand why Judau refuses to join her. She tries several separate approaches to manipulate and seduce him to her side, but all fail.
- This happens to the homunculus Envy in Fullmetal Alchemist. He (well, Envy's genderless) gets baffled and frustrated by how so many former enemies are setting aside their differences and teaming up to defeat Father's forces. He unsuccessfully tries to remind them of how much they should hate each other. When Envy realizes that he envied humans' kindness and decency all along, he takes his own life out of humiliation.
- It also happens, to a lesser extent, to Wrath and his minions a bit later. They correctly guessed that they could use Love Is a Weakness against Roy Mustang, by slashing the throat of his beloved aide Riza Hawkeye and using her life as motivation for him to perform the forbidden human transmutation, which they needed in order to turn him into one of their sacrifices. What they didn't bank on was Riza fighting death long enough to urge him to refuse, and on the arrival of The Cavalry to help save her. Wrath even comments on it after the fact, saying that he really hates it when humans behave in a way he doesn't expect.
- In the Diamond and Pearl arc this is the reason why Paul could not raise Chimchar to his full potential; as he thought making friends with his Pokémon was a waste of time. This came back to bite him in the ass when Ash raised said Chimchar into an Infernape and beat him in the Pokémon league.
- An earlier example was with Damien in the early Kanto saga. Even though he treated his Charmander like crap and left it to die in the rain, he still expected it to wait for him to come get it and welcome him back with open arms. Cue Charmander defecting to Ash and roasting Damien.
- In Best Wishes 2 Episode N's Grand Finale, Colress and Ghetsis are astonished at the fact that Ash's Pikachu and Reshiram freed themselves from the Pokémon Control Machine under their own power, and don't understand how they could. They are so awestruck at how their plans failed that it sends them both into a Villainous Breakdown.
- Serves as a pivotal point in Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Kyuubey can't understand why there's such an emotional impact of losing one person when there are seven billion people. Although Kyuubey isn't evil per se, he just has a goal that the main cast disagrees with when they learn the truth.
- Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple:
- Natsu Tanimoto came across as this after he was first revealed to be Hermit, the Fifth Fist of Ragnarok; he refused to believe that Kenichi's sense of right and justice was anything more than a facade. This was eventually justified by his Freudian Excuse (his adopted father was killed by his wife who pretended to love him just to get close to him for his money, and later Natsu himself was betrayed by an associate of the senior Tanimoto who pretended to be trustworthy just for the chance to off Natsu and get his fortune for himself), but after he realized that Kenichi really did believe in his own ideals, he pulled a sort-of Heel-Face Turn and is currently a Jerk with a Heart of Gold.
- Played straighter with Silcardo Junazard, the "Demon Fist" of YAMI's One Shadow Nine Fists, much later on. He was bewildered that the kidnapped Miu, even in a state of brainwashed bloodlust that he'd previously implanted in her, tried to treat his fatal wound instead of pulling a sneak attack on Akira Hongo, the man who inflicted said wound, as Junazard had expected her to do.
- Rosario + Vampire:
- When Tsukune, about to be executed, asks that he spare the other members of the Newspaper Club, Kuyou is genuinely surprised that he would make such a selfless request despite facing execution.
- Later, Kiria is completely taken aback when Kurumu chooses to save Moka's life despite the two being rivals for Tsukune's love; as Kurumu points out to him, just because she's competing with Moka for Tsukune does not mean that she hates Moka or wants her dead.
- Minerva of Fairy Tail is so dangerous partially because of how she inverts this. She fully recognizes how some fighters become more dangerous when motivated by The Power of Friendship, and plans to use it to devastating effect with Sting in the Grand Magic Tournament.
- When Byro tries to kill Coco for treason, Lucy steps in to defend her. Byro asks why she would care about her, especially since Coco was from the enemy's side. Lucy replies, "I have to care about her, because you don't."
- Being a deconstruction of the Fighting Series Played for Laughs, Muteki Kanban Musume deconstructs this rope with Megumi: given her self-hatred, she considers herself as a Card-Carrying Villain, but she is only a School Yard Bully All Grown Up who cannot understand why she has to help anyone or why anyone would want to be her friend… because her definition of friend is Someone who I can manipulate to defeat The Rival Miki. She cannot understand why Kayahara Sensei would want to be her friend, nor that Idiot Hero Kankuro would want to help her in her quest.
- Soul Eater: Spoiler example: In the anime, Asura is defeated because he can't understand why Maka keeps fighting despite being clearly outmatched. His inability to understand the concept of bravery and dedication confuses him, allowing Maka to land a fatal blow.
- Stein has a relevant line when witch Medusa confesses her love for him:
- Holyland: This is one of King's flaws as mentioned in chapter 172.
- A Certain Magical Index:
- Shizuri Mugino gets attacked by an unnamed assailant who uses a Shape Shifter Guilt Trip against her. He says Love Is a Weakness and that her love for Shiage Hamazura and her guilt over killing Frenda Seivelun will weaken her enough for him to crush her. Instead, she massacres him. The assailant is shocked and asks how. Mugino says The Power of Love has made her stronger than ever before, and the assailant is baffled.
- Leivinia Birdway can easily enter the mindset of politicians and master schemers like Aleister Crowley to predict their actions and motivations. However, Touma Kamijou's drive to help and protect others without expecting any reward or having any ulterior motives makes absolutely no sense to her. She eventually concludes that he is insane.
- A lot of Eclipse infectees really irked with Thoma's merciful behavior in Magical Record Lyrical Nanoha Force.
- The Big Bad of the second arc of Sword Art Online thinks that Kirito will be too afraid to even enter the game to save his kidnapped wife, and gloats about this to said wife in order to demoralize her. Not only is Kirito more than strong enough to dive headfirst into the game on the off chance he can save Asuna, she is well aware of that, and hearing that Kirito knows she's in danger is enough to keep her going for a little while longer.
- Kam from the Medabots anime refuses to recognise Medabots as sentient A.I.s, preferring to see them as machines for combat, and, by extension, fails to grasp that the Medaforce draws power from the bond that a Medabot forms with its owner.
- Rain: When Reygul asks Rain why he fights, Rain says it's to protect the people he wants to protect. Reygul explicitly says he cannot comprehend that; specifically, he can't understand why someone as powerful as Rain doesn't have more ambitious goals.
- Lex Luthor is DC's poster child for this:
- In one of the earliest stories told with the Corrupt Corporate Executive version of Luthor (in Superman vol. 2 #2, 1987), he notices that Clark Kent has some kind of connection with Superman and sets up a research project to find out the nature of the connection. When the researcher concludes that Clark Kent is Superman, Luthor fires her and scraps the project... because, to Luthor, it's impossible to believe that someone with that much power would want to "waste" time occupying such a humble persona.
- It comes around full circle in Action Comics vol. 1 #900. After achieving godhood, Luthor starts torturing Superman, thinking that he only pretends to have human emotions. When Superman provokes Luthor to delve deeper and watches Jonathan Kent's death, Luthor puts two and two together and promptly flips his shit because the alien got to have loving parents and he didn't.
- In the original Silver Age "Death of Superman" story, Luthor sits smugly through the Kandorians' trial, confident that he can bribe his way out. When asked for his plea, he answers that he is guilty. However, if they let him go, he will work out a way to restore them to full size. Luthor is taken aback when the judge retorts that "we of Kandor do not make deals with murderers" and orders him sent to the Phantom Zone for all eternity.
- In All-Star Superman, when Luthor gains Superman's powers, when looking through Superman's eyes and how the universe is interconnected, he realizes why Superman was so benevolent. So much so that he completely atones and accepts his death sentence.
- At the end of "Superman's Phantom Pal", Superman explains to the villainous inhabitants of the Phantom Zone that Jimmy didn't give in to the temptation to spy on his secret identity because of the boy's "loyalty and honor." He then finishes up his speech by invoking this trope.
- Used when The Avengers enemy Ultron-6 rebuilt himself with indestructible Adamantium, making him invulnerable to anything the Avengers could throw at him, including Thor. Ultimately, Hank Pym stops Ultron via Logic Bomb by impersonating Ultron's Mind Probe target after undergoing hypnosis to fill his mind with a simple phrase which Ultron's robotic Kill All Humans mindset couldn't understand: Thou Shalt Not Kill.
- In Archie Comics' Sonic the Hedgehog, Dr. Finitevus turned Knuckles into an insane and ultrapowerful villain and, as a security feature, made sure that the change couldn't be reversed without someone dying for it. That should do it, right? When he explained this, there was silence... for about a second, at which point everyone present started volunteering. Then the next time Finitevus ran into Knuckles, he honestly seemed surprised when Knuckles refused his offer of alliance; it didn't seem to occur to the "good" doctor that Knuckles would hold a grudge over the brainwashing and the death of his father (who performed the above mentioned Heroic Sacrifice).
- The Wizard, long-time foe of the Justice Society of America, had this as his motive in his first appearance. He'd missed the early years of the team as he was in isolation, learning black magic, and when he returned to civilization, the Wizard could not believe that smart people with superpowers would use them for altruistic purposes. Therefore, the JSA had to be pulling the biggest scam ever, and the Wizard demanded to be cut in.
- At one point when the Crime Syndicate of Amerika infiltrate the universe of the Justice League, Johnny Quick and Power Ring change costumes and pose as their heroic versions (The Flash and Green Lantern respectively). Almost losing a fight to supervillains, they are absolutely bewildered when civilians rush in with clubs to help them. When asked why they did this, the civilians said that they owed them for all the times the League's helped them. This prompts Power Ring to complain:
- Some demons trap Traci 13 in a Lotus-Eater Machine where she is the uncontested ruler of the world and her father is dead. They are baffled when she rejects the illusion and wants her father back. She thought her father was annoying with his uptight refusal to believe in magic, so the demons assumed she would be happy with him gone.
- In the DC crossover event Underworld Unleashed, this ends up costing Neron badly when he reveals that his stream of deals with various DC villains and heroes was done solely to get Captain Marvel to cut a deal with him. Unfortunately, Neron thought that the Big Red Cheese would ask for something selfish. Instead, Cap asked for something completely selfless ("Let everyone else go and I'm yours."), which meant that when Neron tried to take Cap's soul, it burned him so badly that he fled. Neron gets similarly burned when he buys the love between The Flash and Linda Park. It causes him to start developing feelings for the souls in his possession, and he doesn't understand why. He ends up giving it up in disgust.
- During the John Rogers run of Blue Beetle, Eclipso hits Jaime with a spell that will bring out his "deepest desires", which it believes will be some sort of dark, violent power fantasy. What Eclipso gets instead is... a dentist, as what Jaime really wants is a career that will make enough money to provide for his family.
- In Incorruptible, this is at least part of the reason that Max Damage is having trouble performing a Heel-Face Turn, though he honestly wants to be The Atoner.
- This is a recurring motif in some Batman books; because most of Batman's villains are insane and because he's a very mysterious figure to most of them, whenever they attempt to deduct his motives or identity they'll often project their own issues and flaws onto him. Whenever any of them discuss Bats, it quickly becomes clear they're talking about themselves.
- In volume 2 of Empowered, Emp saves a thug's life by warning him about his impending brain aneurysm and getting him to the hospital in time for an operation. However, on her way out, a pair of nurses drag her into a closet and drug her, complaining that she's ruined the evil scheme they're running from the hospital. The two of them are convinced that Emp's presence means the Superhomies are onto them, since there's no way a superhero would care about the life of a common thug. However, in this case, it's less because they can't understand kindness, and more because most superheroes in this series are assholes.
- In Star Wars: Legacy, Darth Krayt's attempts to convert Cade Skywalker into a Sith fail because Cade doesn't want the power Krayt is offering him. Keep in mind that at this point Cade is still rejecting the Jedi calling — he just doesn't want power. The idea that someone might not want power is something utterly alien to the Sith, who all more or less became Sith because they wanted power.
- In Jason vs. Leatherface, it is stated that Jason Voorhees has been pushing on for years with his feelings of hate and anger. When he finds himself sympathizing with Leatherface, he is utterly confused.
- In Forever Evil the Crime Syndicate is perplexed by the idea of justice.
- In Superman: Brainiac, Brainiac has stolen the city of Metropolis for his collection and is deriding Earth's perceived flaws to the captive Superman; it has none of Krypton's science, its weapons are primitive. He concludes that the entire culture is useless and asks Superman what they could possibly offer him. The whole time he's talking, Lois Lane, thinking the end is nigh, is desperately crying out to Superman from the shrunken Metropolis, trying to tell him she loves him before it's too late. The implication is that if Brainiac had listened to her, he would have the answer to his question.
- Both averted and played straight in Grant Morrison's "JLA: Earth 2" graphic novel. In an alternate universe where evil always wins and good always fails, the Justice League realize that the only way to defeat Brainiac is by walking away in the middle of the crisis. Played straight in the way Brainiac really didn't expect them to do it, and is punished harshly when the 'evil' Justice League return home.
- The Evronians from Paperinik New Adventures have a similar characteristic: in spite of being Emotion Eaters, the vast majority of them don't actually understand the power of emotions outside of food for themselves, nor have a large emotional ability to feel them. This proves to be the undoing of more than a few of them, who either don't anticipate someone else's reaction to their otherwise good plans or lack the emotional self-control necessary for some thing... And makes the few who can that more dangerous, as they come as a genuine surprise.
- In the popular Jackie Chan Adventures fanfiction Queen Of All Oni, Uncle lampshades this as one of Daolon Wong's traits in his "The Reason You Suck" Speech to the dark chi wizard, saying that Wong knows friendship and teamwork exist, but cannot understand them.
- Ikazuki subtly shows he has a shade of this as well: he shows open disdain for human nobility, and can't seem to understand why Tohru still cares for Jade.
- Drago has this as well, as Karasu points out in their fight. Because Shendu was such a horrible father to Drago, the young dragon views offspring as an investment, and is unable to understand why the Matriarch chose Karasu, an elite warrior, to watch her daughter, and why Jade (AKA the Matriarch) cares about the ones she loves.
- In Kage (a Project Dark Jade fic, just like Queen Of All Oni above), Miranda is completely baffled when Tracker lets Jade get nice with Sniffer after Jade gave the hound some of her food. Since she considers Tracker to be an even bigger monster than herself, she can't believe he would be civil with Jade simply because of that, and the only way she can explain it to herself is by assuming that Jade used some kind of spell. She's still convinced Jade is using magic when the spider-girl sees her playing with Tracker a couple chapters later.
- Getting Back on Your Hooves' Big Bad, Checker Monarch (Trixie's sister), has this problem — specifically, she's so far miscalculated how much Trixie's friends care about her and how willing they are to forgive her. Justified as, according to Word of God, she's based on real life sociopaths, who, by definition, are unable to understand concepts such as compassion and empathy.
- In the sequel Tarnished Diamonds, after the previous story's Big Bad, Checker Monarch, told Diamond Tiara she was just like her as a filly, then had her schemes exposed, Diamond is trying to change, not wanting to turn out like Checker, especially since she loves her family and doesn't want to become someone who would torture them. The thing is, while she's had a Heel Realization, she doesn't yet get why bullying the CMC is wrong (though she is trying to repress her desire to do so).
- Pony POV Series:
- Discord has this problem, and it's even outright mentioned at one point by Twilight as being his Fatal Flaw. Celestia also mentions in the Origins Arc that Discord was completely incapable of truly comprehending love and is the only one of his family who had this problem, including his two Eldritch Abomination parents, Havoc and Entropy. Notably, Word of God confirmed that Entropy, despite being an Omnicidal Maniac by job description, comprehended it, and yet Discord can't. Discord knows this himself, but has simply chosen to ignore it and continue his sick games.
- In the Dark World Twilight Tragedy is left baffled by Apple Pie being able to laugh at one of Discord's jokes after having a large number of her friends murdered right in front of her. So she assumes the form of an Earth Pony filly named Half Light Dawn to ask her herself. She discovers that pretty much all of Apple Pie's reasons for doing so are the polar opposite of everything she believes, but are none the less logical without conflicting with hers. This ends up awakening her old emotions and memories and sending her into a Villainous BSOD that results in her Heel-Face Turn.
- Discord is such an extreme example of this that even his own acts of compassion baffle him. In the Epilogue timeline, Equestria is invaded by aliens. Discord travels to the heart of the alien empire to prank their leader...and discovers a dying and sick old man on life support. Discord is filled with pity at the sight and gives the old man a day of perfect health. When Discord returns home he goes on a tirade because he doesn't understand why he felt so sorry for the man.
- Dark World offers another example in the Valeyard, who views working with others as a weakness and fails to understand why the heroes won't give up fighting. The former leads to his defeat, as it's the heroes working together that brings about his defeat.
- Nightmare Eclipse/Paradox is incapable of believing Discord could actually have good in him. She also is at a loss to explain how a previous iteration of Trixie obtained Alicornification and was able to leave a Wound That Will Not Heal on her.
- This trope is why Queen Chrysalis' Alicornification turns out differently than she planned. Chrysalis only saw divinity as being power and considered her Sociopathy as nature. As a result, the Elements of Harmony giving her a heart to complete her and make her fit the mold of an Alicorn takes her by surprise and results in a mental breakdown. Cadence calls her out on this thinking and the Interviewers even lampshade this trope:
: That's the biggest irony of them all. Those that seek Godhood
without knowing what it truly means. Those like Chrysalis
...they only see the vague outline, not the complete whole. They see power, and that's it...And Chrysalis is now seeing the price of divinity. Discord is the only God with no compassion for life at all, and even he had an innate capacity for it he buried over the eons...Even the End of All Things includes an End of All Suffering...
- The Immortal Game is notable in that every single villain in the story has this problem, to varying degrees. The only one who is close to understanding how the heroes think is Nihilus, who has access to all of Twilight's memories, and even she underestimates them in the end.
- In The Last Son, Magneto, Doctor Doom, Sebastian Shaw, General Zod, and Apocalypse cannot understand why Superman does not use his powers to conquer the world.
- Darkseid, as usual. It comes with the territory of being the God of Evil and all.
- In Return to Prince Manor the son of the Queen of the Winter Court assumed mental control over Harry and Draco and commanded them to kill Snape. Problem was:
Jarillion might be a master of compulsion, and his love of discord second to none, but one thing he had never understood and that was how the ties of blood and love bound one another, a love so powerful that even the best spell of obedience could not compel Harry to destroy Severus.
- In the Chaos Verse (a spin off of the Pony POV Series), the Big Bad is shown to suffer from this: Nightmare Phobia is able to manipulate and feed off of ponies' fears, but she doesn't understand how they're able to fight those fears and break free of her control.
- In Children of Time, this trope is Averted, Defied, and Discussed. This is what makes Professor Moriarty an even more dangerous opponent than he was in the Sherlockian Canon — he even goes so far as to mock Holmes for not having studied the affairs of the heart.
- In "Metamorphosis," a part of the MLP fanfic series The Nuptialverse, Queen Chrysalis is shown to not understand why Twilight still fought for her mentor, her brother, and her friends, even after they outright abandoned her, or how Cadence could continue to love a stallion that let her down.
- Olive Branch, the Big Bad of Families, refuses to believe that anyone as powerful as the Princesses is as selfless as they appear.
- A minor example, but Olive Branch also cannot fathom why most citizens still support Princess Celestia despite letting the Changeling Invasion happen.
- A flashback to Sunset Shimmer's foalhood reveals that Celestia had her look into a magic mirror that shows the viewer their deepest desires. For Sunset, it was becoming an Alicorn and ruling solely over Equestria, and she seemed rather confused when this unsettled Celestia.
- Celestia discusses this trope with Fluttershy in Direction and explains it to her truly evil beings deny seeing anything good in the world, because they are unable to grasp that others aren't as self-centered as they are.
- When Trixie is gathering individuals for her Villain Team-Up, the mad showmare can't understand why Gilda immediately wouldn't jump at the chance to get revenge on Rainbow Dash.
- Wesker in My Little Wesker can't understand why these ponies act so friendly and trusting to everyone they meet, after he's stuck there as a pony. At first, he's paranoid that it's all an act to gain his trust, but then concludes that these ponies are too stupid for malice.
- Justice League of Equestria:
- Mare of Steel:
- During the final fight of the first arc, General Zod expresses confusion as to why Rainbow Dash/Supermare would settle for being Equestria's hero, when as a Kryptonian she could rule as a god.
- In the second arc, Brainiac is a being that runs completely on logic, and is thus thrown for a loop when Rainbow Dash takes a third option, based entirely on emotion, to escape a Sadistic Choice that, logically, should have been escape proof.
- In The Princess of Themyscria, Ares seems absolutely baffled when Diana decides to keep fighting him to protect the mortal realm from his attempts at a Forever War, when he can't see anything of worth to protect.
- In the Hunger Games fanfiction Some Semblance of Meaning, Amber just cannot seem to understand why Obsidian would be so "dysfunctional" as to care about others and want to protect innocent "weaklings." And she views love as a foreign concept.
- In the Fairly Oddparents fanfiction, Never Had A Friend Like Me, Norm has trouble dealing with Amanda initially because he's never met an unselfish human who didn't immediately try to waste all three wishes.
- In the Danny Phantom and Teen Titans fanfic called "Haunted Destiny", the evil ghost Valara fails to understand why Danny won't return her love after deciding to kill off innocent people to make him have more time for her.
- In the My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic fanfic novella Nightmares Are Tragic, this is one of the biggest weaknesses of the Nightshadows. The one possessing Luna in general comprehends neither her code of honor nor her fundamental morality (which lead her to increasingly rebel against its control), and he in particular fails to grasp that she still loves the memory of her husband Dusk Skyshine from her earlier Aspect as Moondreamer. When Luna discovers that Twilight Sparkle is a reincarnation of Dusk, her resultant emotions give her the strength to begin Fighting from the Inside against the Nightshadow.
- It happens on a lesser scale in Bleach Fan Works. Vanilla River, an In-Universe fanfic writer who likes demonizing Orihime to ship Rukia and Ichigo together, cannot understand why Orihime would say, in response, that she wants to get together with Ichigo, but does not hate Rukia, the one she would consider to be her main rival.
- In one story of the Facing The Future Series, Maddie gives an epic speech to Vlad how he is incapable of love. However, Vlad just shrugs it off.
- In Mega Man: Defender of the Human Race, goodness disgusts the Stardroid Terra, and he doesn't really understand it to begin with.
- In Webwork (another Project Dark Jade story), Jade can't seem to wrap her head around why her family and friends aren't happy about the changes in her life.
- The Mexican crime lord known as the Old Colonel admits to this, stating that while he knows that the J-Team won't allow any harm to come to him out of a sense of morality, and is counting on it, he just can't understand why.
- In a Sailor Moon Crystal drabble fic, Kunzite wonders why the Senshi continue to fight even though their master is dead. The idea that they might oppose the Dark Kingdom because they want to- not because Sailor Moon ordered them to- never crosses his mind. Neither does the idea that murdering is wrong note .
Films — Animation
Films — Live-Action
- The Tag Line to Pans Labyrinth is "Innocence has a power evil cannot comprehend", which explains a lot of Cpt. Vidal's actions, as well as his inability to see the Faun at the end.
- Star Wars: Return of the Jedi
- Emperor Palpatine's arrogance and relentless self-centeredness blind him to the idea that Luke would show mercy and redeem his father instead of co-ruling the Galaxy — with someone he is destined to overthrow in due time, no less — causing his carefully-laid plans to fail. The idea that Darth Vader would turn on him rather than watch his son be murdered presumably never entered his mind either.
- This is foreshadowed earlier, when Vader senses Luke aboard a captured Imperial shuttle headed for Endor. Palpatine comments that he cannot sense anything - presumably because he's turned so completely to the Dark Side that he simply doesn't recognize the rest of the Force. It also explains why he isn't more careful about provoking Vader's Heel-Face Turn: he could only sense the evil side of him.
- For Luke specifically, his main error was in not realizing that Luke didn't really seek power, to the point that some in the expanded universe speculate on whether he even really understood the idea of wanting it. While rage against Vader and the Emperor was a temptation to the Dark Side, he really had no reason to side with them.
- The Dark Knight:
- Batman Begins: Henry Ducard, AKA the real Ra's al Ghul, doesn't understand why the Batman refuses to be an executioner.
- In Schindlers List, Amon Goeth often can't understand Schindler's actions of compassion towards his Jewish workers. In particular, he acts thoroughly confused when Oskar wants to buy all of them before they go to Auschwitz, trying to figure out how Oskar will make money off this. It never once occurs to him that Oskar might simply want to save a thousand people from genocide.
- Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen:
- Megatron and two other Decepticons gang up on Optimus Prime. The battle revolves mostly around why Prime thinks Sam Witwicky is so darn important.
- Occurs again in the third film. Sentinel Prime has decided to cooperate with the Decepticons to enslave humanity as a work force to rebuild Cybertron. He makes it clear that he wants to ensure that the Cybertronian race doesn't die out and believes his authority as a Prime puts him above coexisting peacefully with humans. So it becomes a huge case of frustration for him when Optimus Prime, his former student, chooses to defend the freedom of mankind over the possibility of having his home restored. Optimus simply responds by saying that it was Sentinel who taught him that "freedom was everyone's right."
- In Age of Extinction, Harold Attinger and the rest Cemetery Wind are incapable of realizing that there are good and bad aliens and their actions are just as evil and extreme as the Decepticons.
- In Patton, one German points out that Patton, who they believe will lead the invasion of Europe, is facing a public backlash after slapping a soldier and may be court-martialed. He gets the reply "Don't believe their newspapers! They would never keep their best general out of the war just for slapping a soldier." That's exactly what they do (albeit as part of a Batman Gambit). This is an interesting case, as in the harsh reality of war, overlooking personal failings — even major personal crimes — of a great general might really be the "good" thing to do, not just the expedient thing. Keeping your best leaders in the field saves soldier's lives. note Patton's commander, Eisenhower, thought the man was Ax-Crazy and liable to screw up the Alliance with his rivalry with Montgomery and his open hostility towards the Soviet Union. Putting him in charge of the decoy invasion served two purposes for Ike: it convinced the Germans that the decoy was actually real, and it kept Patton out of the front lines (and the headlines).
- In The Magnificent Seven, Callvera's last words to Chris were "You came back. Why?" The reason he let them go in the first place was because he thought they were all on the same terms, and thus they would never come back to save a bunch of farmers.
- Played straight in The Matrix Revolutions - Neo's refusal to give up, no matter how badly he's beaten, allows him to push Smith into a Villainous Breakdown without saying a word. Then Neo allows Smith to assimilate him. Smith is completely surprised that Neo would do such a thing, and is even more surprised when, his purpose fulfilled, he is wiped out of existence.
- Mr. Potter from It's a Wonderful Life goes through the entire movie without picking up so much as a clue as to what makes Peter, George, or indeed any of the Bedford Falls townspeople tick. Potter's expectations that George will hand the Building and Loan over to him in exchange for a job or that the townspeople will quickly turn against George at the first opportunity are disappointed throughout the movie. It never dawns on him there's something about his fellow men that he just doesn't get.
- Used and subverted early in Serenity. Someone from the Academy says that Simon Tam "must be crazy" to have run such risks and gone to such lengths to save River. The Operative, true to his Well-Intentioned Extremist nature, recognizes love for what it is: something much more dangerous.
- In Superman II, General Zod and Ursa assume Supes is protecting the humans because they are his pets.
- In the end, the Big Bad of Ghost Ship tries to tempt the Final Girl into his trap by turning into the crew mate that he just killed. He attempts to use the crewman's love to trick her, but fails horribly because he believes the material items he offers will win her over. Shows up after his ruse is uncovered when he tries to trade her life for keeping the ship afloat and can't seem to understand that she doesn't care that she may die if she can destroy the ship and free all the trapped souls.
- In Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time, while beating him up, Nizam remarks to Dastan his dislike of the King adopting the homeless boy and making him Prince. Earlier, the King did explain that Dastan is brave and noble, so he judged him worthy of becoming Prince.
Nizam: I never understood why my brother brought trash into our house! Enjoy the gutter, Dastan! It's where you will stay under my rule!
- In Sherlock Holmes, both Holmes and Moriarty employ a Sherlock Scan to predict the outcome of their final confrontation, and both come to the same conclusion: that due to Holmes' injured shoulder, he can't win. However, Moriarty - self-interested to the point of outright sociopathy - couldn't comprehend that Holmes was willing to sacrifice his own life to defeat him.
- In Daredevil, after the titular superhero has soundly defeated the Kingpin and has a chance to Finish Him!, Kingpin is dumbfounded by Daredevil's refusal to do so.
- In The Last Stand, Cortez seems completely baffled that Roy won't accept a bribe of millions of dollars (escalating with each offer) to let him cross the border and escape to Mexico.
- Oh, God! You Devil features George Burns as both God and the Devil. When the Devil has manipulated a man into attempting suicide, he and God have a poker showdown for the soul. God raises the stakes, offering to cease protecting a great many of people at risk if he loses, but that the Devil will cease interfering if God wins. When the Devil considers the offer, he decides there's no way God would do this without being certain of victory, since one man wasn't worth it. To Him, one man was. It's played for a strange form of PG-rated Black Comedy.
- In The Last Samurai, Nathan Algren is greatly haunted by the atrocities he committed in the past as a soldier. His fellow soldier Bagley sees his own atrocities as duty and barely remembers them. Bagley cannot understand why Algren is so bothered by them.
- In Little Shop of Horrors, Orin Scrivello, D.D.S., doesn't understand why Seymour Krelborn would want to kill him, because Scrivello had never done anything to Seymour. He never imagines that anyone would want to protect Audrey, of all people.
Orin Scrivello, D.D.S.: "What did I ever do to you?"
Seymour Krelborn: "Nothing. It's what you did to her."
Orin Scrivello, D.D.S.: "Her who?"
Seymour Krelborn: "..."
Orin Scrivello, D.D.S.: "Oh. Her."
- Elsa Schneider in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Throughout the movie, she can’t understand that Indiana doesn’t want to find the grail for the same reasons as her. She insists that she “believes in the grail, not the Swastika” but Indiana replies that she “stood up to be counted with the enemy of everything the Grail stands for.” In the end, she refuses to believe that the grail isn’t meant for her to keep. As she heads for the exit, she crosses the Great Seal and triggers the temple’s collapse. She almost falls into a chasm but Indiana catches her. Instead of letting him save her, she pulls a hand free to reach the grail that she dropped. She comes so close, but her glove slips off the hand Indiana was holding and she loses her life. Henry Sr. later comments that Elsa thought the grail was “a prize” and she didn’t understand the spiritual meaning behind it.
- The Devils Advocate: John Milton Satan succeeds in the beginning because he is expert in manipulating Kevin's vanity and ego. He also thought Kevin would forget that he raped his wife and would lust after his demon half-sister. Ultimately Kevin loved his wife more and was selfless enough to kill himself rather than create the Anti-Christ, which literally makes Milton explode. And when Kevin is brought back to life, Milton sees Kevin's new moral stance as just another form of vanity he can manipulate.
- At the end of Paths of Glory, General Broulard is so impressed by Colonel Dax's efforts in his battle against General Mireau to save his men from public execution that he's going to offer him Mireau's place. When Dax refuses because he wasn't doing it to have a promotion, Mireau is completely dumbfounded that anyone would try to save lives without something to gain from it, and threatens to have Dax arrested.
- In Smallville:
- In the Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror", Kirk and friends manage to infiltrate the evil mirror Enterprise easily, but their mirror counterparts stand out like evil sore thumbs in our universe.
Spock: It was far easier for you, as civilized men, to behave like barbarians than it was for them to behave like civilized men.
- Star Trek: The Next Generation: The Borg genuinely cannot understand why other species would rather die than join their "perfect" Hive Mind. Depending on your point of view, this may be less an example of flat-out evil and more of a Blue and Orange Morality problem: individuality is such an alien concept to the Borg that they consider it less a valid lifestyle choice and more a mess that needs cleaning up.
- The Borg outlook borders on Values Dissonance, as they see assimilation as a liberating act, and can't comprehend how anyone would reject the Collective.
- Doctor Who:
- The end of the special "The Five Doctors", while the Second, Third and Fifth Doctors are trying to stop Borusa from becoming immortal, the First Doctor helps him achieve his goal, resulting in the villain turning into stone.
- In "The Dćmons", when Jo Grant throws herself in front of the Doctor, the idea of this actually destroys Azal.
- In "Doomsday", the Cybermen stage an invasion of Earth, and the Cyberleader demands a complete surrender from humanity, telling them that they will be converted into Cybermen and have their emotions, fears, and differences taken away. When humanity forms a resistance and tries to fight off the Cybermen, the cyberleader reacts with confusion; the Doctor informs it that humans aren't going to willingly surrender the very things that make them human.
- In the 2005 series, the Tenth Doctor's entire plan for defeating the Master hinges on making the Master believe that he sent his companion Martha around the globe to collect the pieces of a special gun designed to completely kill a Time Lord, when her actual purpose is something far less simple and violent. And, even though the Master had fought the Doctor many times before, it works perfectly.
- Inverted in Matt Smith's first finale. The Dalek presumes that since the River Song is an associate of the Doctor, she won't shoot it while it's vulnerable.
I'm Doctor River Song. Check your records. Dalek: Mercy? River:
Say it again. Dalek: Mercy!? River:
One more time. Dalek: MERCYYYY!!!
- Played straight in the Daleks' previous appearance that season. They have given a robot the memories of a real human, to use as an infiltrator, and reveal that said robot is actually a bomb capable of destroying the world. They activate him, knowing the Doctor will let them flee to go save the earth. The Doctor tries to disarm the robot by reminding him of his human emotions — feelings of loss, pain and misery. Unfortunately the Daleks are perfectly familiar with this kind of emotion and it doesn't work. Amy however reminds him of love, something Daleks could never comprehend. The robot's essential humanity asserts itself and the bomb is disarmed.
- In "Dinosaurs on a Spaceship", the Doctor finds an ark containing the last of the dinosaurs that survived the cataclysm that wiped them out 65 million years earlier, and Solomon, a Bounty Hunter intent on selling the dinosaurs to the highest bidder. When Solomon assumes that the Doctor's interest in the dinosaurs is purely financial, like his, the Doctor berates him for assuming that everyone in the universe shares his values.
- The Doctor ends up in a Mexican Standoff with the Daleks in "Destiny of the Daleks": he is threatening to destroy Davros with a bomb unless they let him leave with his captive, but the Daleks respond by bringing in several human captives and exterminating them one by one until the Doctor surrenders. He threatens to set off the bomb right on the spot, but the Daleks argue that such an action would be irrational and impossible because it would kill the Doctor as well. Davros tells them that the Doctor is actually willing to do just that since "his logic is impaired by irrational sentiment".
- John Crichton was this in several episodes involving alien mind control and/or drugs.
- Harvey, being a mental clone of Scorpius, is particularly confused when Crichton chooses love over revenge — he wasn't programmed to consider any opinion but those of Scorpius worthwhile.
- Averted in the case of the real Scorpius, who correctly guessed that Crichton would trade his wormhole knowledge for Aeryn's safety, and quietly engineered a situation in which his help would be required to rescue Aeryn. Even Crichton was impressed- and more than a little bit embarrassed, since he'd claimed that Scorpius didn't understand him two episodes ago:
People who don't care about anything will never understand the people who do. Hamilton:
Yeah, but we won't care
- This is also the reason that the Circle of the Black Thorn make Angel sign away his role in the Shanshu Prophecy after he joins them, in an effort to prevent him betraying them for his divine reward. It never occurs to them that he would do good without the prospect of a divine reward, and that brings about their downfall.
- Angelus is completely unable to understand why Angel does what he does or the "human condition," firmly believing that humans only exist to suffer and die.
- In one episode of Columbo, he explains that because the killer has no conscience, she was incapable of thinking her stepdaughter would demand money as a way to expose her as the murderer rather than for the selfish reasons her stepdaughter presented.
- Happens sometimes with the villains in Power Rangers:
- Itassis in Mystic Force, for example, cannot comprehend how the courage of the Rangers are able to help them defeat her fellow Terrors, despite the latter being physically stronger than the former. But in a subversion, she actually betrays her people in order to learn how, being a Terror focusing more on knowledge than power.
- Lord Zedd devises a plan to break up the team by capturing Kimberly and a civilian in Aisha's presence so quickly that Aisha can't do anything about it. His hope: That when the other rangers find out she did nothing will rebuke her for it and the infighting will commence. Instead they just work together to try to save them. This actually shocks Zedd.
- As well as in its parent franchise Super Sentai:
- Perhaps the most notable example is Enter in the last arc of Go-Busters, whose immortality is assured by the backup of himself kept inside Hiromu. His plan is essentially flawless, the only mistake he ever makes being that he can't comprehend the idea that someone would willingly sacrifice their life for someone else.
- Children of Earth, this is the attitude of the 456. Since humanity was willing to trade 12 orphans to prevent a viral pandemic in 1965, the aliens believe that Earth will give up millions of children the second time around, even after the authorities learn it would doom them to a Fate Worse Than Death. When Jack Harkness claims that most of humanity would risk genocide rather than accede to the 456's demands, the aliens flat out refuse to believe him.
- And just to prove how much Darker and Edgier Torchwood is, the 456 are largely right. Most humans really are pragmatic enough that they're willing to sacrifice millions of children for their own safety (at least as long as it's not their children on the line). Even Jack ends up explicitly breaking his own "an injury to one is an injury to all" ideal when he manages to defeat the 456 - by the sacrifice of a single child.
- In a parallel plotline, the PM seems to think that Frobisher will be able to sacrifice his own daughters. Frobisher isn't and does indeed commit his own private genocide.
- One of Cavil's major miscalculations in Battlestar Galactica was the naive assumption that just living as humans would convince the Final Five Cylons that human life was crap. He didn't even bother to give them abusive parents in their fabricated backstories. Compounded by his inability to comprehend that killing off people would cause the Final Five to mourn them, not stop loving them.
- In one episode of How I Met Your Mother, Barney details the aftermath of his hooking up with Wendy, the waitress at McLaren's (the main cast's favorite bar). It ends badly when notorious-womanizer Barney can't pick up women in McLaren's without Wendy's disapproval. Wendy eventually recognizes that their hookup and quasi-attachment was a bad idea and lets Barney have his bimbos back, but Barney continues to throw out every drink she serves him because he can't comprehend that she isn't plotting some kind of revenge.
- LOST, "Everybody Loves Hugo":
The Smoke Monster: Why aren't you afraid?
Desmond: What is the point of being afraid?
(The Smoke Monster hesitates, then throws Desmond down the well)
- Inverted in the first episode, Tom Jackman is very careful to keep Hyde from discovering that he has a wife and children; when Hyde actually finds out and pays a visit to the Jackman household, Tom fears the worst... only to find that Hyde has spent a happy evening playing with the kids and chatting with his wife, Claire.
- And again, in the third episode: when Tom wakes up one morning, soaked in blood, with a few hazy memories of meeting Claire the previous evening, he assumes that Hyde has murdered her: in fact, Hyde got soaked with blood while cutting Benjamin Lennox's throat- after he threatened Claire and her children.
- Jekyll's a subversion of this in general, since in the end it turns out that the source of Jackman's transformations isn't malice, it's a profound sense of true love and the need to be loved in return. Hyde's sadism is destructive because it's undirected until he knows that he has a wife and children to protect.
- Arguably (because God knows, precious little about the show is certain) the motivation of the Village administration towards Number Six in The Prisoner. Six's resignation was an emotional action; the Powers That Be, their worldview cast so wide that they cannot see individuals except as links in a chain, refuse to accept this.
- In the Criminal Minds episode "Zoe's Reprise," the UnSub says that he is a big fan of Rossi's books, but doesn't understand what he means when Rossi says that he fundamentally doesn't understand why people choose to kill. The UnSub states that the urge to kill is normal for him; he doesn't understand why everyone else doesn't have that urge.
- Buffy the Vampire Slayer:
- Season 4 episode "Who are you?", Faith has taken over Buffy's body and experiments by trying to live Buffy's life. She gets very confused and rather upset when people are nice to her. Especially Riley. It seems that "emotionally intimate and loving" is the only way Faith hasn't had sex yet.
- In Season 4's "The Yoko Factor", Spike shows that he knows what The Power of Friendship is ..., but also shows that he doesn't understand it yet. He identifies Buffy's friends as strong assets ... but is absurdly confident that he of all people can cause a permanent falling out between Buffy and the Scoobies on the eve before their big fight with Adam. Spike's sowing of discord causes a semi-dramatic quarrel that angers the Scoobies for all of a half episode. Then they rally about, and unleash epic ass-kicking. Friends fight, but friends apologize and make up too. Adam, being evil, is also waayyyy too eager to imagine that a squabble will be enough to cause a serious rift between the Slayer and her friends.
- In Season 6 "Dead Things" Buffy thinks she's accidentally killed an innocent bystander. Spike wants to dispose of the evidence and sweep the matter under the rug, and can't understand why Buffy wants to turn herself into the police.
Spike: Why are you doing this to yourself?
Buffy: (tearful) A girl is dead because of me.
Spike: And how many people are alive because of you? How many have you saved? One dead girl doesn't tip the scale.
Buffy: That's all it is to you, isn't it? Just another body! You can't understand why this is killing me, can you?
- This becomes inverted when Spike says that he won't let Buffy turn herself in because he loves her. Buffy responds by savagely beating Spike, implying that she's the evil thing who can't comprehend Spike's selfless actions.
- Much earlier, The Master waffles from Genre Savvy to Genre Blind with this trope. In the Pilot, The Master understands a heroic slayer well enough to know she'll risk life and limb to save Jessie, and baits his first trap for her accordingly. Twelve episodes later, the Master never pauses to consider that the Slayer herself has her own friends who will risk life and limb for her... and is blindsided accordingly. In his defense, he though he'd already finished her off.
- It also has to mentioned that the Council thought similarly. It's been mentioned several times that Buffy is the only Slayer in recorded history to survive longer than a few years, and it can only be attributed to her friends and allies. Seen in a certain light, it might not be that evil can't comprehend a Slayer having people willing to risk their lives but that evil not expecting something that has never happened before.
- Firefly: When Captain Mal catches up to Saffron, she claims that the reason she plays mind games and acts like a manipulative, murderous Femme Fatale is because, she believes, that's just how people are. Mal begs to differ.
Saffron: Everybody plays each other. That's all anybody ever does. We play parts.
Mal: You got all kinds a learnin’ and you made me look the fool without even trying, and yet here I am with a gun to your head. That’s 'cause I've got people with me, people who trust each other, who do for each other, and ain't always looking for the advantage.
- A key character trait of Dr House is his unshakable belief that people only do good things for selfish reasons. He even states that people who value others' lives more than their own are idiots who should just kill themselves to free up their organs. Which doesn't stop him from risking his life to save Wilson's girlfriend Amber. He fails.
- On Leverage, the Big Bad of season 3 is this. He genuinely cannot understand why the protagonists are targeting him. He fails to realize that it might just be because he deserves it.
- More generally many of their targets are this way in that they can't realize why anyone would go to that much trouble.
- On Burn Notice Larry has this probem with Michael in that he can't realize why Michael won't be more like him and enjoy his work as a Psycho for Hire.
- In Charmed when Cole is possessed by the Source, the rest of the demons assume he is only keeping Phoebe around because he needs someone to give birth to his son and that he only wants an heir. His secretary Julie suggests casting a spell to allow her to carry Phoebe's baby and says he would be free to rule without her love holding him back. She and the others don't seem to realise that Cole loves Phoebe and that he doesn't just want to have an heir, he's excited about being a father. Unfortunately for them, the Seer can comprehend good and uses this to her advantage.
- The Seer in season 7 (played by Charisma Carpenter) is a Demon and therefore can't feel human emotion. But she knows of it through her visions - which is why she strikes a deal with the sisters to become human. This trope is arguably inverted as the sisters initially wonder why a Demon would willingly give up their powers for the things they themselves take for granted.
- In Chinese Paladin, villain Bai Yue cannot for the life of him comprehend what love is, or why the heroes keep surviving his death traps because of it.
- On Babylon 5 the Shadows brought Sheridan to Z'Ha'Dum figuring they could convert him, either willingly or forcibly. It never occurred to them until it was too late that he might crash a ship loaded with nuclear bombs into the city he was currently inside just to slow or stop them.
- Once Upon a Time:
- Regina, The Evil Queen, seems incapable of understanding good, like how Snow White's childhood mistake (that resulted in the death of Regina's lover) was not meant maliciously and how she honestly thought that Emma would leave her to die in a fire. This and her Genre Blindness are why she doesn't understand how her power in Storybrooke is weakening, nor why Gold (Rumplestiltskin), who seems to understand good quite well, is rather confident that Emma will break the curse on the town.
- Regina's mother, Cora, also fails to grasp goodness. She firmly believes that love is weakness, and when she tries to steal Snow's heart, Emma jumped in front of her to save her, and this act of selfless love made Cora incapable of stealing Emma's heart because of The Power of Love
- Hook doesn't understand why Belle won't help him kill Rumplestiltskin
- On the Samoa and Heroes vs. Villains seasons of Survivor, this was a huge source of contention for fans of Russell Hantz. The comments on these Youtube boards, by a user named Joel Lefevre, self-demonstrate this trope nicely.
- Monty Python's merchant banker sketch involves a banker who is utterly unable to grasp the concept of charity.
- The Shield: In the Grand Finale, Vic's plan to make himself into a Karma Houdini ends up instead turning into an Ironic Hell, in part, because he honestly doesn't seem to have considered that his new bosses with a federal law enforcement agency might not want a confessed liar, thief, extortionist, drug dealer, torturer, and cop killer in anything close to a position of authority, even if they are contractually obligated to give him a paycheck.
- The Sarah Jane Adventures, "Warriors of Kudlak": Mistress is incapable of understanding why peace is worthwhile or desirable to anyone, seeing it only as an end to the usefulness of soldiers and generals. She's a computer created by a race that was caught in a war they never expected to end — she was never programmed with any understanding of peace, and actively covered up that the Uvodni — the race that created her — had been at peace for ten years by the time of the serial. The eponymous Kudlak — an Anti-Villain who does not share her outlook at all — is pissed when he finds out.
- In the second series of the British version of House Of Cards, the Villain Protagonist, Prime Minister Francis Urquhart, simply cannot understand why the King of England repeatedly speaks out against his government's cruel social policies when none of these policies have affected the King directly. When the King personally explains his reasons to Urquhart, namely that he wants to see all of his subjects prosper and be happy, Urquhart laughs off the notion and simply believes the King is attempting to make a power play.
- Eddie Kingston's 2007 and 2008 was spent beating up and destroying most of the young technicos on the CHIKARA roster, breaking Shane Storm's nose twice, bruising everyone from Tim Donst to Soldier Ant. Along comes Lince Dorado, who was beginning to become The Scrappy and is getting roundly booed by every crowd. Eddie continues the beatings on Lince, who continues to get up and keep asking for more. Kingston announces that he will never again wrestle Lince, because his tenuous grip on sanity gets confused every time Lince gets up for the people that boo him.
- Ever since Ted DiBiase, Jr's 2011 Heel-Face Turn (which is basically him being more friendly and no longer acting like a Rich Bitch), heels like Michael Cole and Jinder Mahal have expressed confusion over why he would do this.
- Dungeons & Dragons:
- The sourcebook The Book of Vile Darkness introduced the Vashar, a subrace of coldly evil humans. The Vashar are said to literally be unable to comprehend "positive" emotions, to the point that most of them wouldn't think to use a hostage as leverage, because they don't consider that the victim's friends would care about them.
- Likewise, one D&D book provided DMs with the advice that a mind flayer sorcerer might be able to predict any action the heroes would take, but couldn't see that they'd be willing to perform almost certain suicide to prevent him because he doesn't care enough about anything to risk his life. Mind flayers, like the Vashar, are said to be unable experience any emotion more positive than a sort of satisfaction during feeding. This trait is even self-perpetuating; mind flayers don't learn emotion from each other, but from resonance stones, psionic deelies that emanate a specific emotion. Because the mind flayers building these can't feel love or joy, they can't build stones that project love or joy, and as such the next generation of hideous tentacle-faced monsters won't understand love and joy either.
- In Changeling: The Lost, the True Fae are utterly unable to understand human motives and rationale. This isn't just a weakness, it's a defining trait — if one does start to understand a human's viewpoint, they lose most of their powers in the process, and in some cases lose their memories of their true nature outright.
- This trait is potent enough that Changelings base their own government around it. The governing of their territories is routinely passed between Courts because the Fae simply cannot comprehend the idea of mutual cooperation and the willing sharing of power, which aids in concealing Changelings from the Fae.
- The Deathlords have this as one of the only weaknesses in their strategic genius. As the Abyssals splatbook puts it:
Deathlords are notoriously selfish beings, almost incapable of truly understanding others. They might, for instance, do nothing more than ascribe their own thought processes to their enemies. ("Of course you returned to rescue your sister. Doing otherwise would suggest weakness in the face of your enemies!")
- And then there's the Ebon Dragon. The Ebon Dragon is bastardry incarnate. Everything it does is centered around the idea of dicking someone else over. How bad is he? He had to create the Unconquered Sun just so he'd have a concept of what he was supposed to oppose. What's more, he's explicitly incapable of comprehending the motivations behind any kind of heroism save by dismissing it as abject insanity on the part of the hero. This doesn't prevent him from preying on the "crazy heroes", because he doesn't need to understand their motivations in order to identify and manipulate their desires.
- The Yozis are pretty nasty individuals and have trouble understanding that anything can operate by different rules. Their leader Malfeas has to suffer a genuine psychic fracture to understand that another being's viewpoint matters at all, and all the others are similarly limited. The Ebon Dragon knows that beings can feel positive emotions, but he doesn't understand them. He can't understand them. He will assume in any given situation that people are trying to dick everyone else over, because, well, that's what he'd do. This is simply how they work.
- Most of humanity in the Warhammer 40,000 universe just want to live their lives free of war. The Orks, on the other hand, find war to be not only a bloody good time, but the only endeavor worthy of their time. To an Ork, peace is as horrible a concept as war can be to a human being. This also extends to cultural aspects, orks are naturally bald and use furry biting 'air-squigs as hair implants and use their teeth as currency, not understanding why no other species in the galaxy ever accepts these two bartering items. And since to orks, the leaders grow bigger because he's in charge and vice-versa, so it took them a while to realize the highest-ranked Imperial is not the tallest but the one with the fanciest hat and Bling of War.
- While Magic: The Gathering avoids identifying any color wholly with good or evil, White and Black both appear to have this dynamic with each other when the designers write articles describing their perspective as though they were people. Black justifies its selfish amorality by claiming everyone else is just as selfish and amoral as it is and hates White for being a hypocrite (and admittedly also for White's dedication to Black's complete annihilation). White, on the other hand, believes that the morality it subscribes to is the basic nature of life and shared by the other colors despite their actions; in White's view, Black knows right from wrong in the exact same way White does and deliberately chooses to do wrong, making it irrevocably evil. Perhaps fittingly for their names, Black and White are the colors least capable of understanding others could possibly view the universe differently than they do. Things get interesting when White and Black are mixed.
- Demons and devils in Ars Magica do not possess any of the Seven Heavenly Virtues and have to strain themselves even to imitate them briefly. This often takes them into Villain Ball territory: lacking Faith or Charity prevents them from cooperating even towards common goals, lacking Hope and Prudence undermines their long-term planning, and lacking Justice makes them relatively easy to lie to.
- Batman Arkham Series:
- This constitutes the core of The Riddler's beliefs as evidenced in Batman: Arkham Asylum, with regards to Batman. To wit: he believes Batman is a Villain with Good Publicity bribing the Gotham Police Department and stealing money from the crooks he captures, because "no one's that selfless."
- Likewise, in Batman: Arkham Origins, the Joker is completely baffled over why Batman chose to save him from falling to his death. The GCPD are also confused, deciding that the only reason Batman would "jump off a building to save the Joker's sorry ass" is that they must be partners.
- The Joker does end up coming to this understanding at the end of Batman: Arkham City when the bottle of serum needed to save Joker's life gets smashed on the floor. Batman gives him a "The Reason You Suck" Speech.
Joker: Quick, the cure! What are you waiting for? Come on! I killed your girlfriend, poisoned Gotham, and hell... it's not even breakfast. But so what? We all know you'll save me.
Batman: [pondering whether or not to give the cure to the Joker, after drinking some of it] Every decision you've ever made ends with death and misery. People die. I stop you. You'll just break out and do it again.
Joker: [laughs at the absurdity of cat and mouse] Think of it as a running gag!
[the Joker leaps out and stabs Batman in the shoulder, causing him to drop the vial containing the cure, shattering it]
[Batman pulls out the knife while the Joker drops to the floor and begins desperately trying to grab some of the cure]
Joker: "Are you happy now?"
Batman: You want to know something funny? Even after everything you've done, I would have saved you.
Joker: [laughs, coughs] That actually is... pretty funny... [starts laughing and coughing, then gasping for air and finally dies, smiling]
- The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind:
- Demi-god Vivec's Batman Gambit to defeat Dagoth Ur. Both Vivec and Dagoth Ur draw their strength from the Heart of Lorkhan. The player acquires a set of items able to manipulate its energies, and Dagoth Ur assumes you intend to use them to make yourself immortal as well. He spends his energy taunting the player about his own power, not realizing until the very end that the player's goal is actually to unbind the Heart, denying its power to anyone.
- A book found in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim contains an interview with a Dremora, a type of Daedra, which reveals their view of the mortal races. Daedra, being immortal, are unable to comprehend why mortals do not succumb to despair in spite of the knowledge that their own existence is finite.
- Mass Effect 2:
- Shepard usually wins for two reasons: first, the Reapers underestimate just how though they and the rest of the team is, but second and more importantly because they can't comprehend the fact that Shepard is willing to throw themself into almost certain death for the sake of others.
- If playing Shepard as a paragon, the Illusive Man makes a similar mistake by not having any backup plan to seize the Collector base when Shepard decides to blow it other than relying on Miranda (and possibly the rest of the Cerberus personnel on the Normandy) to get it for him.
- The Reapers also fail to predict that the Protheans might choose to sabotage their next attack rather than fighting to the last man to survive the current one, and their efforts to keep an alliance from happening in Mass Effect 3 by pressing on the borders of all the major species run into trouble when the various races ultimately prove willing to support the overall plan rather than protect their own borders at the expense of everyone else. Then comes the Miracle at Palaven, when they don't predict commandoes willingly accepting their own deaths rather than risking indoctrination while placing nuclear weapons inside their carapaces. Really, the most common cause of Reaper defeat and inconvenience is that they assume everyone else is as devoted to self-preservation as they are and thus get dragged down by a Heroic Sacrifice.
- In Soul Calibur V, Final Boss Elysium, the soul of Soul Calibur cannot understand why anti-hero turned true hero Patroklos refuses to kill his sister Pyrrha even though she's become a Malfested. After she is slain in the final battle, her last words are "I don't understand."
- Morrigan in Dragon Age: Origins is quite confused by her feelings of attachment to the Warden, though she eventually does grow to accept them. She also tends to be confused by any action that doesn't involve being an utter asshole due to being raised with a Stupid Evil mentality by a Humanoid Abomination.
- In Final Fantasy V, when Galuf's Berserk Button gets pressed and he charges Exdeath in one-on-one battle, the villain comments that "not even all the hatred in the world can destroy me!" Sure enough, Exdeath gets his ass beaten because it wasn't hate, but something else entirely that made Galuf fight on while at zero hit points.
- Final Fantasy VI, Kefka, upon gaining godhood, believed that living life and creating things is pointless due to the fact that they die anyways and that creation is inevitably destroyed anyways and meaning nothing in the end, as well as being baffled as to why they continue doing these. Terra, as well as the rest of the Returners, cite how, despite living in the crapsack state that their world is in, still celebrated the event of living, as well as love, even citing their experiences. Predictably, Kefka does not take it well, declares their references "sound like pages from a self help book" in disgust and then preparing to destroy all reality. At this point, Kefka has become a veritable god, and so it is likely that he actually knows these things to be true (at least in this setting) rather than it simply being his philosophy. The heroes' pleas fail to convince Kefka otherwise, primarily because little if any of what they say actually applies to him (he has no friends or family, so that takes care of about half of it right there). From his point of view his goal is (ironically) fairly logical.
- EarthBound: Giygas cannot grasp the true form of human emotion.
- Mega Man Zero: Dr. Weil's many Breaking Speeches failed because Zero is a Punch Clock Hero.
- Completely inverted with Sargeras, the creator and leader of the Burning Legion. Originally belonging to a race of god-like beings called the Titans, he and his kind traveled throughout the cosmos to bring order to worlds; they were so powerful they defeated the Old Gods, the Eldritch Abominations of Azeroth, and created the dragons to become the world's stewards. While defeating and imprisoning the demons of the Twisting Nether, their evil caused Sargeras to question the Titans' quest for order. He was driven into depression after witnessing the chaos wrought by the demons, especially after defeating the vampiric Nathrezim, whose manipulative bastardy on various worlds affected him deeply. Eventually, he went completely off the rails with the belief that the Titans' quest for order was essentially wrong, given that he saw the Universe as intrinsically chaotic and evil. The last the Titans saw him, Sargeras had freed the demons he had personally previously imprisoned, made them a part of his army, and sent his Burning Legion to bring war upon the Universe, putting into action the corruption of the Draenei and Orcs, the birth of the Lich King, and the multiple near-destruction of Azeroth itself. An example of Good Cannot Comprehend Evil taken to epic proportions.
- Then again, the Legion itself seems time and time again to be unable to comprehend mortal beings. They never seem to consider the possibility of mortals putting aside their hatreds for each other to fight the Legion, nor did they predict that the Lich King would turn against them instead of submitting to his new position as a tool of the Legion (essentially, a lesser being defying them).
- Played with by the Nathrezim, who are Dangerously Genre Savvy enough to wage warfare at a distance, stoking up conflict between factions to distract them from the real threat, and manipulate useful pawns to enact their will with plausible deniability. This does not stop them from making slip-ups of this variety on occasion. One happens when their leader, Mal'Ganis, assumes Evil Prince-in-training Arthas won't exact revenge on him for leading the destruction of Arthas' homeland of Lordaeron and forcing him into a Sadistic Choice at the town of Stratholme, since Arthas' soul was just consumed by his new weapon, Frostmourne. But having no soul does not prevent Arthas from enacting his revenge upon his opponent. At all.
- A particularly famous example occurs when Grom Hellscream stands against Mannoroth, the demon whose blood he drank on two separate occasions, setting the stage for his clan - and separately, his race - to become thralls of Mannoroth's demon masters. After swatting aside Grom's brother-in-arms Thrall, Mannoroth boasts about the part he played in Grom's corruption and mockingly declares they are the same. (Mannoroth was a tyrannical ruler of his race who willing joined the Legion and served as a frontline commander during the War Of The Ancients.) In a dramatic moment equal parts Big "NO!" and Shut Up, Hannibal!, Grom buries his axe deep into Mannoroth's chest at the cost of his own life, a clear statement that they are not.
- Should the player character decide to take the good ending in BioShock Fontaine rants about how he created Jack, made up his memories and stuffed them into his brain, showed him the world, brought him back to Rapture - "If that's not family, I don't what is!" - shortly before the Little Sisters appear and demonstrate what family really means. With needles.
- While subtitled, Spyro the Dragon's Malefor is clearly caught off guard when Cynder is freed from his mind control by the Power of Love. In the entire battle, this is about the only thing that actually seems to truly surprise him.
- Similar to the Joker's "social experiment" in The Dark Knight, Hot Coldman had programmed Peace Walker's Mammal Pod to transmit the same false ballistic trajectory data that was going to trick Peace Walker into going into nuclear retaliatory launch mode to NORAD, at a time when the President and most of the Executive branch was out at Vladivostok at the time, to essentially force the military to decide whether to retaliate or not based on the data. His intention for this Sadistic Choice was to prove that humans were too weak-willed to actually retaliate, even when the enemy is going to launch, and thus make a machine to make all those decisions. However, Coldman did not anticipate that they would actually go through with doing a retaliatory strike, though going by Coldman's last words, its very likely that he probably didn't care either way, and he certainly did not count on Peace Walker actually choosing to sacrifice itself by drowning/shorting out its electronics than keep it going.
- Disgaea: Hour of Darkness: Laharl hates love and thinks it's worthless,
- Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories: Rozalin cannot understand why Adel would want to escort her home instead of using her as a pawn in his own plans. She is willing to fight to protect Hanako and Taro, but believes she's only doing that because they are her "vassals", and caring for your vassals is what nobles are required to do.
- Mao in Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice has this problem. Despite his obsessive research on super hero tropes, cliches, and plot devices, he just doesn't get stuff like love and courage. He knows they exist, but can't make heads or tails of them.
- Disgaea 4: A Promise Unforgotten: Valvatorez, a nice guy for a demon, has the balls to accuse God of this. He claims that even God could not have foreseen the demons' use of The Power of Friendship to defeat his creation Fear the Great.
- Pokémon Black and White :
- This was ultimately Ghetsis' downfall. His own dialog shows he personally believed everyone saw Pokemon as tools, just as he did. Because of this, he allows his son N to encounter Pokemon that had a truly caring relationship with their trainers, causing N to question Team Plasma's cause and befriend the player character, whom Ghetsis continuously underestimates because he doesn't believe they can behave selflessly and/or care about their Pokemon. As a result, the player acquires the other legendary dragon, defeats N, and for a nice bonus personally curbstomps Ghetsis with The Power of Friendship. Cue screaming breakdown.
- Bites Ghetsis again in the sequels, where he insists to himself aloud, on-screen, that Pokemon (and "that inhuman freak" N) aren't sentient and so can't hate him, only serve him. Right in front of two trainers, at least half a dozen Pokemon, two legendary dragons, and one "inhuman freak", none of whom agree with him. He also dismisses Colress's research verifying The Power of Friendship, despite having personally hired Colress to study how best to make Pokemon powerful and lead Team Plasma in his stead.
- Diamond, Pearl, and Platinum: Cyrus's conviction that the nature of human spirit is what is wrong with the universe leaves him dumbfounded that you would stop him from destroying reality to start over.
- Implied in Dungeon Keeper, especially the first game. Before each mission, The Evil Mentor gives you a brief introduction to the land you're about to conquer. He seems both revolted and amazed by the happy, peaceful, non-violent lives the peasants are able to lead. One town, for example, is described as 'a truly bizarre realm' because the inhabitants prefer talking, laughing and singing over arguing, drawing daggers and murdering each other in a gurgling rush of blood.
- Sagacious Zu manages to trick Death's Hand into burying himself in Jade Empire because Death's Hand wasn't prepared for the possibility that his foe would sacrifice himself to complete his goal.
- This is the key to success in I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream. Each of the initial five scenarios are prepared with AM assuming his captives would fall victim to their baser desires, but to complete them each character has to overcome their flaws and make sacrifices, which utterly baffles the mad AI, who can not see humans as anything but utter bastards. In the endgame, you have to defeat three computers representing AM's Ego, Superego and Id. Using the Forgiveness totem on the Ego causes him to shut down, since he can't comprehend how anyone would forgive him for all he's done.
- Super Paper Mario: Dimentio simply thought that, after the heroes used up the Pure Hearts to defeat Bleck, they would be gone for good, thus meaning the only threat to him after backstabbing a weakened Count Bleck and gaining the Chaos Heart would be forever gone. As such, he ends up legitimately surprised when the Pure Hearts return (thanks to the love between Bleck, Tippi/Timpani, and his followers) and remove his invulnerability.
- Fear Effect: Yim Lau Wong (The King of Hell) turns out to have no concept of human decency. If you make the choice to not have Hana and Glas shoot each other, The King of Hell will fly into a rage and say "Mei Yun, you have come too far to disappoint me!"
- Played for laughs in Knights of the Old Republic 2 with HK-47. The player has the option of installing something that turns out to be a pacifistic program, which they will uninstall after the ensuing hilarity of a the Ax-Crazy droid saying he couldn't harm another living thing. After expressing disgust at the thought that he nearly surrendered to peace and pacifism, HK-47 comments "It was close, but for a moment I thought I understood why some meatbags would prefer friendship over a high-powered blaster carbine." Apparently he can't grasp why anybody would not want to kill someone.
- The Big Bad of Persona 4, Izanami, expresses her disbelief that "the will of so few could surpass the will of so many" in regards to the protagonist's Social Links. She also can't understand why humans wouldn't want to live in ignorance.
- Evil in general doesn't seem to have any real problems with understanding good in Star Control. The Neo-Dnyarri gets bitten in the ass by self-serving pointlessly cruel evil not being able to get honourable evil, though: it sends you against the most powerful race in the region to get killed. That would be fine... except that race happens to have been enslaved by the Dnyarri and with the sort of sense of honor that would let you just leave the area unmolested (once) for warning them about the Dnyarri returning.
- Despite his alchemical and tactical genius, Hazama/Terumi Yuuki from BlazBlue either considers the spirit of goodness (and what motivates people into doing good) a means to use people to serve his whims (like Litchi and Tsubaki) or considers it shitty and boring, if he understands it at all. In the Slight Hope story from Extend, however, this bites him square in the ass. He was merrily carrying out his plans in the Wheel of Fortune timeline when Makoto Nanaya fell in from the Continuum Shift timeline, and when she got beat up after parrying a hit on Jin, he dismissed her as merely a "damned squirrel" best left to Relius. Between that incident, honesty to Tager and Kokonoe regarding her intentions, trusting Bang with rescuing Jin, and counseling Tsubaki (and asking her about the unknown-to-Makoto nonexistent Noel Vermillion), she altered the timeline in a way that caused Hazama's plans to implode - even he was forced to admit asking Tsubaki about Noel caused it to self-destruct. Given his assassination attempt on her in Continuum Shift proper, which takes place days later, he has never forgiven her for this insult. And yet, despite all that, it has done nothing to his opinion on goodness, much less make him stop acting like scum. All he really learned is to let his buddy Relius take care of her... so what happens if he can't deter her?
- Fallout: New Vegas:
- Caesar's big mistake is that he arrogantly assumes that any resourceful and competent person must obviously agree with his worldview and invites the Courier to work for him. It doesn't matter if the Courier is a goody-two-shoes dedicated to protecting the downtrodden and needy, and so far have focused their efforts on supporting the NCR and messing up the Legion's plans. He will assume you will agree with his brutal regime purely because you are a capable badass, and task you with vital missions without making even a token effort to change or even acknowledge your past allegiances. The biggest moment of this comes after you pretend to destroy House's bunker, and Caesar offers to repay you by killing Benny. If you try to release him Caesar will chastise you for not enjoying violence and blackmail you into killing Benny yourself by threatening to crucify him. And after all that effort to manipulate you into doing something you clearly didn't want to? He smugly boasts about how sure he is you loved it.
- In the epilogue of the Dead Money DLC, if Dean Domino, whose manipulations before the war were pretty much why the Sierra Madre is a hellhole, is still alive he'll learn of how his former accomplice Vera Keyes was addicted to Med-X and Super Stimpacks (which he used to blackmail her) due to a terminal illness and the story of how Sinclair tried to sacrifice himself to save her. It's stated that he felt strangely sad for a moment but has no idea why. It's at least enough to make Dean finally let go of the Sierra Madre...and set his sights on New Vegas. The backstory of the DLC also shows that Dean saw Sinclair's happiness as a form of self-righteousness and that he felt as if Sinclair was simply rubbing his success in his face.
- In the Old World Blues DLC it's possible to get Evilutionary Biologist Dr. Borous to feel tremendous guilt about how he treated Gabe, his beloved dog who was loyal to the very end, as a test subject that he subjected to countless experiments (including turning him into a Cyberdog and pumping him full of combat drugs). When it finally hits him, he has no idea why he suddenly feels so horrible, deciding that he doesn't like this feeling and quickly suppresses it, though it's hinted that it still lingers.
- In Radiant Historia, the Big Bad Heiss, Stocke's uncle, cannot comprehend in the true ending why Stocke is willing to be the Sacrifice unlike himself. Stocke explains that, ironically enough, it's because of the Big Bad. Heiss raised him with earnest love as his nephew and introduced him to people he would treasure as his friends. Unlike Heiss, Stocke had people he cared about enough to give up his own life to protect. In a twist, Stocke's words reach Heiss and Heiss offers himself as the Sacrifice to save Stocke.
- Handsome Jack of Borderlands 2 has an understanding of "good" that is at the very least incredibly skewed and deeply delusional. He honestly believes himself to be a hero attempting to bring civilization to Pandora while at the same time gleefully relishing torture and laughing about a time he gouged out a man's eyeballs in front of his children. He seems to believe that being a hero is simply being rich and powerful enough to kill anyone you don't like.
- In Dishonored, if Corvo spares Daud, the assassin who murdered his beloved Empress, the Outsider is utterly shocked. This is the only thing that will surprise the Outsider. It doesn't do anything to change his low opinion of humanity as a whole; he merely considers Corvo to be an exception to the rule.
- In Kingdom Hearts 3D: Dream Drop Distance Xigbar proves just how much he doesn't get it by trying to induce a Heroic BSOD in Sora by telling him that since his friends are his power, Sora has no real power of his own. This only manages to affirm Sora's belief in The Power of Friendship, since that means he's part of something much bigger. Xigbar is utterly baffled by Sora's reaction.
- Organization XIII has a bit of a problem with this: their entire plan with Xion in 358/2 Days got hopelessly derailed because they didn't anticipate the effect having true friends would have on her. Both Roxas and Axel wind up betraying the Organization out of loyalty to their friends, and the higher-ups seem utterly baffled as to why they would do this. Xaldin also is shown to believe that love is a weakness (in a Disney game), which causes his pet project with the Beast to fail horribly in Kingdom Hearts II.
- Even earlier than that, in the first game, "Ansem"/Xehanort believes that darkness is the heart's true essence and thus, Kingdom Hearts, as the most powerful heart, must have the power of supreme darkness. Thus, when he tries to harness the power of Kingdom Hearts, he instead gets blasted by its light.
- In Infamous 2, Nix always advocates the Evil Karma decisions for Cole, and whenever someone else suggests a goal that involves helping people and getting them to fight by Cole's side willingly, Nix not only scoffs at it, but acts like they're crazy for even thinking of it. From what she tells us of her childhood, she probably hasn't met too many nice people in her life.
- Brooke Augustine of inFAMOUS: Second Son is literally incapable of imagining a world where Conduits and humans coexist peacefully. Peace itself seems to be an alien concept to her; there's only fear, more fear, and fear on top of fear to keep people in line. The Conduits she keeps imprisoned are miserable and experimented-upon remorselessly. The humans are kept in line through fear, and she herself is the source of most of the propaganda painting Conduits as nothing more than Living Weapons. When the government is considering shutting down the D.U.P. because it's done too good a job of containing everyone, she goes out of her way to engineer an escape just to keep herself in power...so she can keep Conduits "safe."
- Quite a few villains in the The Legend of Zelda series suffer from this trope.
- The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword: As the only humans he faced prior to Link were cowardly and either hid or turned to Hylia for protection when faced with him, Ghirahim is driven to a Villainous Breakdown over the fact that Link keeps ignoring his threats and challenging him. Demise is also taken aback by this, but he's more amused by it than anything. It's more along the lines of Evil Cannot Comprehend Courage, but the basic idea is the same.
- Ganon(dorf) has a similar reaction in Hyrule Warriors, openly failing to understand why the heroes won't just give up and let darkness win when things seem hopeless, fighting and ultimately securing an "impossible" victory. Weirdly, this is actually an appearance where he's much more of a Pragmatic Villain than usual, sometimes verging on Affably Evil — he's willing to support his underlings and listen to them when they have good ideas, and shows grudging but genuine respect for the heroes at times for their courage, skill, and cleverness.
- Hyrule Warriors also has Cia, who doesn't understand why Lana is trying to stop her from trying to kill Zelda so she could be with Link. As Lana is Cia's good side made manifest, she believes she is doing what they both want deep down as they're the same person. Even as she lays dying, Cia musters the strength to ask Lana how can she live knowing that in every era, Link will always end up with Zelda and she'll always be left behind. Lana merely replies that you don't always get the person you want and she can live with that.
Cia: Lana... I thought this was what you wanted.
Midna: Traitors, ha! You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes, Zant. All saw it, a lust for power burining in your pupils. Did you think we forget how our ancestors lost their king to such greed?
- Fitting his Smug Snake nature, Yuga in the climax A Link Between Worlds Has taken over the body of Ganon and the Triforce of Power and has absorbed Hilda for her Triforce of Wisdom and belives that Link is no threat to him because of this. Link proceeds to prove him wrong.
- Happens during the Very Definitely Final Dungeon in Tales of Symphonia, where the Big Bad kidnaps the party except for Lloyd and attempts to Mind Rape them by torturing them with their personal demons (all of which the Big Bad can also relate to, as he's suffering from the same kind as them.) Lloyd manages to find them and help them confront and overcome each of them (involving forgiveness, courage and acceptance,) leaving the Big Bad dumbfounded each time.
- Devil May Cry 4: Sanctus repeatedly scoffs at the concept is love, even explicitly dismissing Credo's love for his sister Kyrie as foolish. Unfortunately for him, it's this view that, according to Dante and Nero, renders him unable to truly harness the power of Sparda's sword.
- Also in DMC 1, where Trish has no idea why Dante rescues her from a falling debris, despite her betraying him.
Trish: Dante, why did you save my life?
Dante: Because you look like my mother.
- Kid Icarus: Uprising: During chapter 23, when Pit calls Hades out on eating and thus destroying souls, thus preventing them from moving on or being reincarnated, Hades flat-out tells Pit that he sees no difference between removing souls from existence and reincarnation. Though, considering his personality, he could just be saying that to mess with Pit's head.
- Navarre from Shin Megami Tensei IV isn't necessarily "evil" so much as "classist douchebag", but when he and some of his friends try to lure Flynn, a Casualry, into a trap, one of his subordinates sees Luxurors Jonathan and Isabeau come to Flynn's aid, and can't comprehent why a Luxuror would come to the aid of a Casualry. Jonathan points out that the role of a Samurai is to help out others, regardless of their social standing.
- Completely subverted in Fate/stay night in Heaven's Feel. Despite trying to destroy the world in large part For the Evulz, the reason Kotomine decided the reason he would do that is he understood good perfectly well. He's just unable to actually do it and feel satisfied no matter how hard he tries. Apart from his background material, he gambles away his entire magic crest to save Sakura knowing that Shirou's righteous spirit will make him protect her from anything. In fact, his Xanatos Speed Chess was entirely reliant on exploiting the 'good' nature of Shirou.
- Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney: Justice For All: Matt Engarde hires professional assassin Shelly de Killer to kill his rival, then uses a hidden camera to film the crime as insurance in case de Killer tries to blackmail him. However, de Killer places great value on the trust between himself and his clients and is outraged at this betrayal. Engarde clearly never considered that some crooks might have higher standards than him.
- When everyone confronts the Mastermind at the end of Danganronpa. Junko, being pretty much despair personified, manages to get everyone to cross the Despair Event Horizon by revealing that the world outside the school has been destroyed, and all their efforts to escape have been for nothing, as there's no guarantee they'll even survive if they step outside. Naegi, having become Super High School Level Hope at this point, manages to give everyone their Heroic Second Wind, to which Junko freaks out and screams "What the hell are you!?"
- Earlier, Byakuya is utterly shocked when he he misses a crucial detail involving Sakura's death, while Naegi manages to discern it with ease, and completely flips when he learns the reason: he never imagined that Sakura would commit suicide in order to protect her friend.
- The Villain Protagonists of 8-Bit Theater are not only confused by Good, they are confused by any plan which does not include murder or theft. And apparently, they cannot comprehend why the Other Warriors don't hate each other, either.
- A rather bizzare subversion occurs in Goblins. When Kore, a Knight Templar Extraordinare chases a group of goblins and takes one of them prisoner, he proceeds to torture him, (correctly) expecting the others to hear the screams and try and save their comrade. However, judging from his uncompromising approach to "evil" races, you'd think he'd consider such "irredeemably corrupt and wicked beasts" as goblins to be incapable of selflessness and comradeship.
- The Order of the Stick:
- Redcloak assumed that the humans would think highly of the goblins who spared them and despise the paladin who did not save them. In fact, the humans were heartened by the paladin's resistance to Redcloak. That strip shows the real problem the humans and goblins have with each other — neither sees the good in the other.
- Similarly, Redcloak seems honestly perplexed that O-Chul didn't know anything about Girard's Gate, since obviously the paladins would need to know about it in order to protect it. He either doesn't know about the oath they took to leave Girard alone, or simply can't understand that they'd risk the apocalypse in order to keep their word.
- There's a similar "Chaos Cannot Comprehend Law" example in Girard's emnity with Soon. Girard is so unshakably certain that Soon will find some excuse and loophole to come find his Gate in spite of his Oath not to that he tailors his Gate's defenses with Soon in mind. It didn't occur to him that not only would Soon keep his oath, but hold his subordinates, the order of paladins he founded, to the same oath.
- Earlier, in #69 the following exchange occurs after Elan saves his brother from falling:
Nale: I'll never tell you anything about Xykon.
Elan: Yeah, I know. But I didn't save you so we could interrogate you. I saved you 'cause I'm the Good twin, not the Neutral twin.
Nale: ...I don't get it.
- Yet another example is Nale's inability to understand that despite their differences, Roy and his sister Julia really do love each other. After all, shouldn't all siblings have a violent hatred for each other?
- A protagonist example in #523, in which Belkar is unable to understand the benefit in freeing slaves.
- In Start of Darkness, Xykon defeats Dorukan and seals his soul within a gem along with the soul of former teammate Lirian. His only understanding of love being mostly just sex and rape, he just assumes that this is And I Must Scream. However, he actually unites the souls of two lovers for eternity.
- Actually, no, Elan does not appreciate atrocities being committed on his behalf.
- Similarly strip #783. No, it's not that weird that Elan doesn't like watching people suffer just because they got the better of him once.
- In strip #880, it's how Haley knows that Belkar's telling the truth about Durkon having been killed and turned into a vampire by Malak. She knows that Belkar couldn't make up the part about Durkon's last wish being for Malak to spare the rest of the Order, since Belkar couldn't conceive of anyone being that selfless.
- In strip #936, Tarquin, who is hanging from the edge of the Mechane attempts to use this trope to his advantage, thinking that Elan will save his life to prove the hero is better than the villain. Elan refuses and abandons his father, turning this trope into Evil Cannot Comprehend Good Is Not Dumb.
- In Strip #963, the High Priest of Hel seems incapable of following the emotional link between one of Durkon's childhood memories and a more recent one.
- Why Bud's plan to destroy the Turquoise Lake summer camp falls apart in Precocious. It hinged on the campers acting like the Gemstone kids.
- In Sinfest. Buddha is happy, despite not having all Satan's stuff. Therefore, obviously, Buddha's priorities are screwed up.
- Tales of the Questor:
- Girl Genius: Baron Wulfenbach is definitely an antagonist, though perhaps not an outright villain. However, he can't understand that some things don't have a sinster ulterior motive behind them. For example, when an opponent allows his severely battered army to withdraw from the battlefield, he immediately sends out scouts to search for the flanking force preparing to destroy them they must have missed. That his opponent is genuinely trying to avoid further bloodshed never even crosses his mind. To be fair, such a thing is pretty unprecedented in the setting.
- Grim Tales from Down Below: Him is upset when his daughter betrayed him but not at the betrayal itself, but the reason for Mimi's betrayal is for the lover of her friend. Him even said that if she betrayed him for petty reasons, he would've been proud.
- In this page of Looking for Group, Token Evil Teammate Richard listens as Kale and Benny finally consummate their sexual tension. But since he has no concept of making love, his first thought is that Kale is killing her.
- In this blog post, Fred Clark theorizes that this is the reason vampires fear crosses.
- Inverted in this article by Rich Burlew, author of The Order of the Stick. The heroes in a game he was DMing assumed that two villains who had allied together were inevitably going to betray one another once they had achieved their goals... it never occurred to them that they might be good friends.
- Played for Laughs by The Nostalgia Chick, who surmises the popularity spell in Teen Witch as "having all the awesomeness of the messiah with none of that martyr shit".
- In To Boldly Flee, Ma-Ti has a meltdown when The Nostalgia Critic closes the door on the real world and proves that he's become a true hero. Unlike most examples of this trope, Ma-Ti has known the Critic first hand as a colossal, selfish, Jerkass Man Child. His shock is more understandable under the circumstances, making it more of a case of Evil Cannot Comprehend Character Development.
- The Nostalgia Critic: Played for Laughs in his review of Casper, when the titular ghost is stunned to see Critic praising the movie and resorts to a Groin Attack.
- In one Global Guardians story, it was the titular hero team who invoked this trope. They were literally handed the exact location of Osama bin-Ladin and the rest of al-Queda's leadership by Lord Doom, one of their greatest enemies shortly after the 9/11 attacks and the fall of the World Trade Center (an event that took the life of one of their teammates). It took the Global Guardians nearly a week to take advantage of this intelligence because they could not think of a reason for Doom to help them that didn't involve an ulterior motive, a trap, or a distraction from some bigger scheme. Turns out, Doom helped them out of a sense of horror, disgust, and anger for al-Queda's targeting "innocent bystanders".
- In Noob, this seems to be a factor in the Mistaken for Badass situation between Sparadrap and Dark Avenger. Sparadrap considers that Dark Avenger and him are Friendly Enemies, while Sparadrap's Invincible Incompetent tendencies have convinced Dark Avenger that he's actually an elite player displaying Obfuscating Stupidity. Dark Avenger's standard reaction to Sparadrap's friendly lines can be summed up as "quit that little trick you use to get you opponent's guard down, it doesn't work on me."
- In the Alternate History.com timeline Reds, a communist revolution takes place in America in 1933 as a result of the Great Depression. Despite some dirty business, the new leadership does not sink into the depravities of the Soviet Union, and chooses not to execute political opponents like Robert Taft. This confuses a Soviet diplomat, and really pisses off Joseph Stalin.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender:
- The resident Magnificent Bastard, "people person", and chessmaster Azula finds herself completely bewildered when her sidekick Mai risks her life to help the Turn Coat Zuko escape The Alcatraz.
- This moment of her inability to comprehend that love can trump self-preservation and loyalty born of intimidation has limits, flying in the face of her philosophy that "fear is the only reliable way" to control people, is actually the first step down the road towards her epic Villainous Breakdown. However, because she's Dangerously Genre Savvy, she's at least able to learn from this mistake and apply it to her strategy in the Grand Finale (while she was in the middle of said breakdown no less).
- This becomes somewhat of a running theme for Mai. In the comic Rebound, her father is confident she'll want to join his movement to overthrow Zuko after she breaks up with him. He never expected his freedom fighters would be Mai's terrorists and miscalculates her response as badly as Azula did.
- Firelord Ozai did not expect Zuko's refusal to fight in the Agni Kai. Zuko was willing to fight a general, but not the father he loved.
- Firelord Ozai cannot fathom why Aang spares him at the end of their fight.
- In episode "The Beach," Mai, Ty Lee, Zuko, and Azula all take turns confessing their problems, and helping each other talk through their issues. When it's over, Zuko and Mai have reconciled over an argument they had and Ty Lee feels cleansed. Azula compliments them on their great "acting", treating the entire thing like it was a show.
- Code Lyoko:
- In season 1, XANA's flawed understanding of human behavior, including things like courage and friendship, is his major flaw. In one episode, he traps the team in a virtual Matrix-style copy of the school, forcing Jérémie to virtualize himself to warn them. This leads to a Spot the Imposter scene where XANA (disguised as Jérémie) tries to convince the others how Jérémie's story can't be true:
Everyone knows that the real Jérémie wouldn't step foot in the scanner. He'd be much too frightened! Odd:
(after a pause
) And I'm sure he would
go into the scanner... if his friends were in danger. Ulrich:
No doubt about it. Yumi:
Absolutely none. XANA:
But it's not logical! Don't you see? He's much too scared to even try... I—I'm
much too scared! If not, then why haven't I already done it? Jérémie:
I told you why. Because he's not infallible. XANA's knowledge of people is only approximative. Odd:
And when it comes to friendship, it's not approximative; it's double zero. Good to see you again, Einstein
) XANA: No, it's not logical! NOOO! NOT! LOGICAL! NOT! LOGICAL!
- However, XANA is an interesting case in that unlike many villains, he actually learns from this defeat; in later seasons, he actually anticipates both Aelita and Franz Hopper making Heroic Sacrifices and take advantage on it to pull out Batman Gambits.
- In the Justice League Unlimited episode "For the Man Who Has Everything" (based on a story from the comics), Mongul imagines that Superman's greatest desire being shown to him by the Black Mercy is of him ruling the galaxy. Instead, he's living peacefully on a farm on Krypton, married to a woman who resembles both Lana and Lois, and has a son.
- Batman: The Animated Series:
- Both subverts and plays this straight with the relationship between David Xanatos and Fox. Though there are signs of their affection as early as Season 2's "Leader of the Pack", Xanatos doesn't initially believe their attraction and compatibility could actually be called love because "two people such as ourselves are [not fully] capable of that emotion."... until "Eye of the Beholder" has him going through plan after plan to get the woman he loves back after she has a bad experience with the Eye of Odin.
So now you know my weakness. Goliath:
Only you would regard love
as a weakness.
- Duncan, Demona, and Tony Dracon also play the trope straight; Duncan's and Demona's treacherous natures led them to suspect that the loyal, honest Macbeth was equally treacherous in "City of Stone" Part 3 (in Duncan's case) and Part 4 (in Demona's case), while Dracon suspected the same of Elisa in "Protection."
- Oberon doesn't seem to realize how everyone would fight him to keep him from taking away Xanatos and Fox's child. Given the implication that Titania (who put the idea in Oberon's head to kidnap the baby) did the entire thing to get Fox to tap her fey powers in anger, it's suggested that Titania did.
- South Park:
- Played straight in the "Toilet Paper" episode. Cartman is simply incapable of comprehending why the other boys feel guilt about Butters getting busted for what they did. He later confesses, but only in hopes of either getting lighter punishment, avoiding punishment, and looking good to the adults. Depressingly, because the adults are ignorant of Cartman's mental state the ruse works.
- On the other hand, it shows to the viewer that yes, coming clean sooner is good for you; it's just that this time the wrong person came clean for the wrong reasons. This extends to the point that Cartman actually believes he did learn a valuable life lesson and tries very awkwardly to deliver An Aesop, much to the exasperation of Kyle.
I've learnt that while you might not get in trouble first, you can later. Kyle:
* Oh god... Cartman:
At first I didn't feel bad but now I feel terrible. Kyle:
You just feel bad for yourself because you got put in detention! Cartman:
Right, so I guess what I learnt today is... Kyle:
Oh stop it, Cartman. You didn't learn anything! Not a Goddamn thing!
- The Coon and Friends trilogy demonstrates this with a short dialogue between "The Coon" (Cartman) and Mysterion (Kenny). (And the debate with the Ayn Rand Foundation begins...).
It's not my fault you guys turned evil
You are the bad guy, Cartman. You! The Coon:
I'm making the world a better place! Mysterion: FOR YOU!
You're making it a better place for you! The Coon:
) Riiight. That's what superheroes do.
- Possibly subverted in "How to Eat With Your Butt". Cartman loses his ability to laugh after seeing the Thompsons, people with a condition that makes their faces resemble buttocks. The other boys claim this is because he feels genuinely sorry for them because they lost their son, but Cartman insists the sight was so funny he merely "blew a funny fuse". When their son (Ben Affleck) is reunited with them, the sight of them "kissing" him causes him to laugh again. He says it is so hilarious that it fixed him, but again the others tell him it's because he is happy they are back together. The subversion depends on whether or not he really felt sympathy for them (and was merely unable to comprehend why), or he didn't (and couldn't understand why he should).
- In "Casa Bonita", Cartman tries to be nice so that Kyle will take him to the title restaurant. Due to this trope, Cartman's attempt to "be nice" was really just him putting on a nice sweater and changing nothing else. When Kyle points this out, Cartman has no clue what he means.
- Also played straight in an episode of She Ra Princess Of Power. Forced to work together, She-Ra and Hordak get directions from a local in exchange for some fruit that's trivial for them to get, but impossible for the local to reach. Hordak starts to go the other way from the directions, saying the local had what he wanted, and thus no reason to genuinely help them.
She-Ra: Your problem, Hordak, is that you lie all the time, so you assume everyone else does the same, even though you depend on most people keeping their word.
- The Powerpuff Girls:
- In an episode of The Smurfs, Smurfette meets a very greedy troll who has a hard time understanding why anyone would give something of theirs away; this happens on her birthday, when the other smurfs are giving her gifts (he proceeds to steal them all, and Smurfette herself). After being rescued, Smurfette proves to be a lot more generous (not to mention forgiving) than he is, and he starts to learn his lesson after she shares with him.
- Teen Titans:
- As noted by Rob Hoegee in a feature on the Third Season DVD, this trope is Slade's achilles heel. His inability to understand Robin's willingness to sacrifice himself for his friends at the end of the first season or Terra's residual loyalty to the team in the second proved to be his undoing. It's worth noting that when his opponent is Trigon, the literal embodiment of evil, Slade's plan really goes off without a hitch, largely because Trigon acts in exactly the ways he predicts.
- Trigon has the exact same weakness. Trigon couldn't understand why, against all odds, with the world literally having ended, the Titans continue to fight him and why Raven, despite him being her creator stands up against him. This is ultimately his downfall as well.
- Sometimes done on The Simpsons:
- The Fairly OddParents:
- Part of Vicky's Flanderization, as shown in "Frenemy Mine", is she cannot understand love, to the point where she cannot comprehend her feelings after Timmy saves her.
- An even better example are the Yugopotamians, a race of aliens who find any form of love or compassion absolutely terrifying and to whom hugs, chocolate, and fuzzy toys are a health hazard.
- In an episode of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe (1983) where He-Man and Skeletor are forced into an Enemy Mine situation in order to save Eternia, Skeletor tries in vain to comprehend doing something good for a change. He asks He-Man "Don't you ever feel like doing something evil?" He-Man answers "Don't you ever feel like doing something good?"
- This shows up occasionally in Rocky and Bullwinkle. For example:
- In Hulk And The Agents Of Smash: The Collector is unable to understand why the Hulks would rather have the real world than the Lotus-Eater Machine he put them in.
- Kevin Spencer, being an emotionless, violent sociopath, is completely caught off-guard when anyone shows him a form of kindness (such as a man giving him money when he finds out Kevin was a runaway). Kevin's eventual response to these situations is to violently attack the person, or just steal their money. Allan himself is surprised by this, and mused that the kindness of others could put his faith back in humanity.
- General Zhal from Batman: The Brave and the Bold is left completely stunned after he kills the Doom Patrol and the entire world chants "We are the Doom Patrol", showing that instead of making everyone see them as frauds, they see them as bigger heroes than before. Zhal is unable to even react to being arrested out of shock because he can't understand how a Heroic Sacrifice increases people's faith in the sacrificer.
- My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic:
- The biggest weakness of Discord is his inability to truly understand how strong the bond between the mane cast truly is. He's taken completely off-guard when he discovers that they've reforged their friendship after he seemingly broke it apart leading to his defeat. He also gets very frustrated when Fluttershy proves too kind and accepting of her own faults to fall for his attempt to convince her her friends think she's weak and helpless and thus she should be mad at them. This makes sense when one considers he's the polar opposite of the Elements of Harmony, which run on the Power of Friendship. It may also be another of the apparent shout-outs to Him, who shared this weakness as well.
- In Discord's second appearance, he seems to recognize the idea of friendship by the end of it, in that doing whatever he wants doesn't actually make him any happier because he actually cared about Fluttershy thought about him. However, season 4 makes it pretty clear that Discord still didn't understand friendship, seeing it as something that made him happy. He did enjoy the company of others, but he still didn't understand camaraderie, and as far as he was concerned, it was all about him. This makes him easy prey for Lord Tirek in the season 4 finale, who plays on the same idea that friendship is all about what you get out of it. Discord shows some signs of loyalty to Fluttershy (and Fluttershy alone) but still doesn't understand friendship until, after Discord betrays his friends, allowing Lord Tirek to steal their magic, Lord Tirek proves himself to be Eviler Than Thou and drains Discord's magic as well. Only when Twilight Sparkle frees him despite all the things he did does he really understand friendship, giving Twilight the final key to unlock the chest and the full, unmitigated power of The Power of Friendship.
- Queen Chrysalis, the Big Bad of the second Season Finale, also has this problem. She's a sadistic, shapeshifting, succubus-like Hive Queen who stole Princess Cadance's identity to feed off the love her husband to be had for her. In the end, she doesn't once think that this same power could be turned against her. To her, it was just food and she didn't truly understand its true power.
- In "Twilight's Kingdom - Part 1", during his Breaking Speech to Discord, Tirek dismisses his brother's befriending ponies so many years ago as a sign of a weak mind. More generally, he considers friendship just another form of imprisonment.
- In "Twilight's Kingdom - Part 2", Tirek cannot understand friendship, and is confused when Twilight demands Discord's release after he betrayed them. It is this mistake that leads to his defeat and re-imprisonment for eternity.
- In How to Train Your Dragon 2, as Drago Bludvist sees it, dragons can only be controlled through intimidation and fear. Working with dragons, nurturing them instead of enslaving them, is unthinkable to him. Exemplified when Toothless overrides the Dark Alpha's control to protect Hiccup.
- In the Christian-based cartoon God Rocks a robot kept on trying to ruin the God Rocks concert to raise money for a good cause, and he didn't understand that even after he stole their instruments they still desired to play.
- In one episode of the Battletech animated series, Mechwarrior Ciro forces a jumpship captain at gunpoint to record a message to Adam Steiner, saying that he knows where Adam's missing-in-action brother is, in an effort to lure Adam into a trap. Nicolai Malthus asks why Adam would respond to such a message, and Ciro replies that Adam would do anything to help his brother. It's a reaction Malthus finds impossible to understand. This is fully understandable, however, in that Clan Mechwarriors don't have families, they have sibkin - other Clan Mechwarriors who were created by scientists and incubated in artificial wombs. Though the bond between sibkin is stronger than the average bond between two different members of the same clan, they still view one another as only allies at best, and frequently as rivals competing for status and a limited number of choice assignments. To earn their status as Mechwarriors, they have to begin by emerging victorious in duels - and the losers get crap assignments or even demoted to a lesser caste! While many of them would understand the idea of complete and blind loyalty to another, few of them would feel it; and Nicolai is not exactly the most well-adjusted Clanner to begin with.
- Roger of American Dad!, due to his species practically being Made of Evil, is completely unfamiliar with the idea of feeling for anyone over himself. So much that actually feeling guilt over one of his acts was such a trauma to his state of mind, it created a split personality out of it just to cope. Hell, in one episode, when he tried to be nice for a change, it literally almost killed him.
- Nightmare from Ultimate Spider-Man has this as his Fatal Flaw. His defeats at Spider-Man's hands are always the result of his crippling inability to understand Spidey's motivations. Being the master of nightmares means nothing if you don't know how your opponent operates.
- In "Strange Days", Nightmare forces everyone on Earth to be trapped in a permanent dream facing their worst fears. In the end, Spider-Man is the last to be forced to face his deepest fear, by making him face disappointment from his Uncle Ben over his death. Instead, the dream-version of his uncle greets him with a smile. Spidey then talks back at the confused Nightmare, saying he lives with what happened everyday and instead of letting it get to him, he lets it encourage him to be Spider-Man everyday. This in turn is what starts Nightmare's plan to fall apart because it never occurred to him someone has the will to overcome or accept their fears.
- In "Nightmare on Christmas", a twisted parody of A Christmas Carol and It's a Wonderful Life, Nightmare tries to trick Spider-Man into giving up being a hero by showing him how people never appreciate his heroic acts and showing him a future where he could be as happy and as famous as Tony Stark, firmly believing the unappreciated Spidey would gladly hang up his mask. However, in that future, Spidey's absence allowed the Green Goblin to take over New York, causing Spider-Man to reject his offer, saying he became a hero to do the right thing, not for fame. And at the end of the episode, Nightmare remains baffled that Spider-Man would so freely pass up a chance for a new life.
Nightmare: You could have had everything, yet you threw it away for nothing!
- Young Justice:
- In an episode of Codename: Kids Next Door, Nigel wakes up in a world where he's an adult and president and his teammates are all part of his cabinet. The Alternate Hoagie eventually realizes what's going on and agrees to send him home if he'll sign the bill that would destroy their world's Kids Next Door. Nigel refuses, even when threatened. Hoagie doesn't get why, since he'll never see the kids he's sacrificing again and it won't affect his world.
- On Yin Yang Yo, the Night Master accurately assesses that the titular trio have a lot of undesirable, un-heroic qualities. However, he scoffs at the idea that they could rise above them and become better people. He also clearly wasn't expecting Coop to accept Yin's apology and turn on him.
- Aladdin: The Series: Quite a few members of Aladdin's Rogues Gallery suffer from this:
- Ragnar of Green Lantern: The Animated Series worshiped the Green Lantern of his planet. Believing himself to be worthy of a Green Lantern, he poisoned him and attempted to claim his ring. Instead, his sister, Queen Iolande, became the Green Lantern. His jealousy and feelings of betrayal lead him to become a Red Lantern. It never occurred to him that his murdering a Green Lantern and his desire to abuse the power of one were the very reasons he was rejected.
- Both animated incarnations of Dr. Doom have this as their Fatal Flaw.
- Fantastic Four: World's Greatest Heroes: Lampshaded and subverted in "Dooms Word Is Law". Dr. Doom at first believes that kidnapping Reed and Susan will make defeating them easier as he believes Ben and Johnny to be too stupid to stop him without their help and is baffled that they are able to power through his defenses through luck and with Bruiser's help. But then he reveals he had a failsafe for Bruiser pulling a Heel-Face Turn.
Reed: Don't you understand, Victor? [Ben and Johnny] don't care how great your science is; they just care about rescuing us.
Dr. Doom: What are you blathering on about?
Susan: You'll never stop them, Doom, because you don't know how to fight them.
- In the Avengers Assemble episode "Planet Doom", Doom's plan was to go back in time and stop the Avengers from forming by preventing the events that made each of them heroes, firmly believing that they only became heroes due to whatever fateful event that gave them their powers. However, while he rules the Bad Future with an iron fist, it also gave rise to new heroes who formed a team right under his nose with Thor's help. In other words, his inability to understand the fundamentally innate good and heroism within people doomed his plan to failure before it even began.
- Bill Cipher from Gravity Falls didn't believe Mabel would feel remorse after treating Dipper like crap throughout the episode, Sock Opera Which is probably why, his "The Reason You Suck" Speech towards her fails.
Bill Cipher: I mean, who would sacrifice everything they've worked for just for their dumb sibling?
Mabel: ...Dipper would.