The entire "Speaking of Queen Chrysalis..." wall-of-text should go, IMO. I know this page is supposed to be for fun, and I can tell someone put quite some effort into writing it up with supporting links, but wow... It's not even close to being in the style of An Aesop (which is a short and basic life or moral lesson) and is more of an anti-Rarity rant that's frankly better suited to a blog. Yea or nay?
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Is there a glitch happening right now or something? It's saying in the history I somehow moved the entire Season 7 subfolder to a different part of the page (Which I didn't do) and I got a "Bad Gateway 500" error screen when I previewed the change before fixing it.
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There's definitely some shenanigans happening that's jumbling up entries. When I fixed up the page yesterday literally every time I clicked "Preview" I would get different layout results. Not sure what's causing it, but I've had no problems editing anything else on the site. Going to try adding a new entry and see what happens; I have a full back up of the page as of yesterday in case everything gets fucked up again.
Seems to have gone through just fine. No error screens or messed up layout from what I can tell. Cautiously optimistic here...
These keep getting removed, but are valid examples of warping an aesop. Thoughts?
- Meta example: Brush off a legitimate criticism of a character's development by having the character react out of character and claim "her journey to assertiveness was a slow one, not an instant one", rather than just admitting she just learned the same lesson over and over again and that it's not a bad thing at all considering her shyness and unassertiveness are her most likeable qualities.
- Warping the warps: Any TV show that doesn't pander to your opinions is bad and ungrateful to have you.
- Warping the warping of the warps: Any fans that don't unswervingly love 100% of what a TV show produces are just butthurt you don't pander to them and are ungrateful to have you.
The reasoning was "to prevent a flame war", which as of yet have not even existed on this page since everyone involved knows this stuff isn't for real to begin with. Unless anyone has any really good arguments against having these on the page, I'm going to re-add them.
More importantly, removing things that are disagreeable will be more harmful to this page than letting them stay up I think. If we remove examples because they "might start a flame war", people are going to start deleting chunks of the article left and right for similar reasons and we're going to lose a lot of content from the page. Personally I don't agree with even half the stuff written here, and honestly there are much more flame-baitey posts here, like pretty much anything against Starlight Glimmer because of how much of a Base Breaker she is (saying anything even remotely bad about her can easily kick up arguments between her defenders and haters).
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The Starlight Glimmer ones won't cause flame wars, in my opinion. The ones that keep on saying "warping the warp" and then people keep on adding more examples to it looks like potential for flame war.
I would say, add back the examples with caution. On the other hand, if there's another sign of a flame war because of them, it has to go. Seriously. There are too many pages & examples getting cut because people fight in certain sections and I just don't want these ones getting removed because some people didn't know how to act.
Let's just play this one by ear. I've honestly never seen flame wars of any kind on this page (given the paradoxical nature of it) and I've been following it since day one.
Off-topic though, go anywhere bronies tread and give an honest and fair, while negative, opinion of Starlight Glimmer, and sit back and watch the character's fans and haters go to war. It's like beating a hornet's nest with another hornet's nest, or assassinating an Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo.
Okay, sorry for the late response.
Anyway, while there have been no flame wars (thankfully), it is still imperative that we prevent them from happening. There were many cook Darth Wiki tropes that are gone forever due to tropers not knowing how to act, and I don't want this one to meet the same fate.
With Starlight Glimmer, on this website I see both positive and negative opinions on her. I've never gotten in any arguments over her either (thank God)
Whaddya think the writers and the creators think when they see this show becoming part of this trope?
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Well, other shows have it too. If they get all butthurt, then they are the ones being sensitive.
I don't know if Fame and Misfortune was the writers being butthurt that fans complain about stuff in the show, or just the writers having some fun (I think it was both), but that's probably the closest to an answer we're going to ever get.
Lights Out!
- If you attempt to get revenge on a bully, you're the bad guy, not the bully.
- Sadly, Truth in Television.
I think the second line is natter that is out of place in Warp That Aesop. If other pages have it, well... this is still natter. I remember removing something similar from the page for anime. It probably should be removed from other pages as well.
But maybe I'm wrong? Is this ok according to the rules? Do people want to keep this?
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There aren't any rules against adding Truth In Televison and other bullet proof. I recall reading that the only thing that isn't allowed is Real Life Examples.
"Sadly, Truth in Television" sounds as an attempt to turn the example above a Real Life example.
Guys, we're not supposed to have Real Life examples. I'd think that would include fandom digs.
We're not just talking about Pinkie Pie. Everyone in town was uncomfortable with Luna, and given what she did and how she acted, who can blame them? Pinkie Pie may have exasperated the situation, but I feel Luna was acting a bit entitled, expecting everyone to just forget about that whole "Hey, I tried to take over the country and blanket it in eternal darkness, resulting in at best you people having to flee the country, and at worst starve to death while my demonic minions overrun it". This isn't "I stole 30$ from your wallet to buy cigarettes", this is potential genocide.
In The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, I had a lot of respect for Captain America, taking the constant criticisms he got with stoic silence, despite the fact that he didn't even do the things people blame him for. Near as I can tell, Luna had far more agency for her attempted ruination of the realm, and she's a powder keg. I feel she's not taking responsibility for her actions and accepting that, yes, high treason might not sit well with people now that sister's not here, and she can expect untoward comments directed at her for a good while.
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I wasn't talking that much about Celestia. I was talking about Luna and how she did try to blanket the land in eternal darkness.
Once again it wasn't just pinkie that acted afraid of luna everyone in town did. Sure she may have had a part in it but hating just her is stupid but then again Dash or Luna fans seem to hate pinkie for something she wasn't responsible for but whatever. I know Dash got in trouble but not her but i try not to think about that too much since its no big deal everyone was a jerk in that episode.
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Dude, I thought we went over this months ago. I don't hate Pinkie that much anymore. It's the way the writers handle her (and RD) that I have a problem with. Plus, the while town was genuinely afraid of Luna when Pinkie was pretending. No offense.
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You know, I think some people thinking this Warp That Aesop page a little bit too serious. Isn't it supposed to be just for fun?
"Any show with lead female characters who aren't bitches, damsels, or just love interests are horrible shows that deserve to be criticized for things that other shows are guilty of doing."
Flamebait?
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I'm sorry for removing the examples...I only put them on Microsoft Word to format and correct them
- Having severe mood swings at the drop of a hat is no big deal. It's quirky and charming.
- Hard work never pays and people don't appreciate it anyway so just stay out of the way if you feel like doing any useful work.
- Loners Are Freaks. It's right there in the title - if friendship is magic, then lack of friendship makes you unimportant and unspecial.
- Making a delicate person cry once is worse than repeatedly physically abusing them or almost getting them killed (intentionally or not).
- For girls growing up means finding your one calling in life and pursuing it. For boys, however, it means becoming a greedy monster. The only way for a boy not to be a Jerk With A Heart Of Jerk is to grow up around lots of girls, and then reject his own kind and decide to become just like one.
- People from out of town tend to be jerks, or people tend to be jerks to people from out of town.
- It's okay to use racial slurs, as long as you ensure afterwards that any member of the target race that could hear you is okay with this.
- Being a jerk makes you the worst kind of person and you deserve all the bad things that happen to you. On the other hand, being massively inconsiderate to the point where you steal, cause major property damage, potentially ruin the environment, endanger people's lives (including children) or actually hospitalize them, will have no negative consequences for you beyond some mild inconveniencing, especially if you apologize. Even bringing about the apocalypse or enslaving a town is more forgivable than being a school-age bully if you give a convincing enough sob story.
- Drugging people for love is A-OK. No one will hold it against you that you literally poisoned people and the damage they caused in their stupor.
- People are more likely to be pissed that you humiliated them rather than if you drugged them.
- Long-term consequences for bad behavior are things that happen to other people.
- Snobby rich people aren't really people. They shouldn't be treated with any respect and will deserve anything you do to them.
- Your shy friend should be forced into terrifying things, or completely changing themselves, and you're an awesome person for dragging them into a life-threatening situation without any sort of consent. And if they turn into a complete bitch because of the stress, it's totally their fault or the person trying to help them improve their lives; not you.
- Meta example: An attempt at making an engaging cartoon for little girls will end up attracting primarily adult men.
- Drawing porn of and/or fapping to cartoon ponies that appeal to young girls is harmless and normal. If you object to this type of behavior of some fans, you're just a self-righteous hater.
Some of these examples aren't limited to a single episode because they are multi-episode. The passive-aggressive one refers to both the Mane Cast's prank with Mare Do Well and Princess Celestia's inability to tell the party planners that she wants things done different and instead resorting to letting her friends trash the event.
The density of "Starlight Glimmer participated in a plot on an Aesop An Episode show" entries is kind of... really, really boring. It's repetitive to the point it feels more like Complaining About Redemptions You Dont Like than, you know, a Just for Fun game.
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