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openTrope Page for specific work Literature
I was reading the trope page for 'One Steve Limit' and noticed the Warriors Cats entry was missing a multitude of examples. I began adding them, using the Warriors wiki as a backup if I could not remember. Anyhow part of the way through, I noticed that despite me not being close to done, the section was getting very wordy. It is also almost entirely just a list of identical names, not adding shared prefix or suffix characters. I was wondering if I would be able to give Warriors Cats a "One Steve Limit" page where I could add all of the examples and then give relevant book appearance information and allegiances. Please let me know if there is either a procedure to do this or an avenue I have to ask. Thanks
openEntries split between title and author Literature
So something I've noticed on a few different trope pages, most recently Techno Dystopia, that the Literature examples are sorted in two different ways: by author, with there being a handful of entries by different authors, and then by work, with all other entries being under this category. I don't see this on all trope pages and was wondering if this is correct or if it should be changed.
Edited by cannen144open Reusing existing stories Literature
I don't know if there is a name for it, but when a story either modernizes or just put a lot of stories together in a single one. Something like Sea of Monsters (book) has almost the same journey as the Odyssey, but in modern times. I don't remember the name, but I also seen someone talk about a story about two guys who travel and pass through Shakespeare stories, but all set in modern times and many with twists.
openSeries Having Two Meanings Literature
I think the Pinwheel Series page is named a bit confusingly. Especially because there's a Series.Pinwheel that's been around a lot longer.
I don't think I've seen other work pages marked with "(Series)" before — the closest I can think of is Soul Series — so is it even doing the proper thing?
I added a "not to be confused with" note a little over a week ago, but that's basically a band-aid.
Edited by LendriMujinaopenMaybe delete Literature/SufficientlyAnalyzedMagic ? Literature
Newbie here. I notice that Sufficiently Analyzed Magic is about an abandoned, incomplete web novel. Should we delete that article? What are the rules for this sort of thing?
openNo Title Literature
Troper Aurorula has made various edits on https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/TheGreatDivorce and related pages that demonstrate a failure to understand how the site works. It's taken me three hours to clean it up. I spoke with them in July of this year over previous inappropriate image use, referring them to the Administrivia Image Pickin' guidelines. Standards not being met include:
- Inserting inappropriate images all over the pages, including the Headscratchers section.
- Misusing headers and titles within Headscratchers that come off as patronizing.
- Several examples of Speculative Troping with a Wall of Text.
- Several Zero-Context Example entries, or pasting extracts from the author's work as context.
- Paragraphs of Word Cruft within comments tags/source code of the page, that turn the article into their personal development blog.
openDarthWiki and Published status Literature
Why is Arose From Out the Azure Main considered an unpublished work and on the Darth Wiki? The story is still available to read here although with a forum account. I thought the Darth Wiki is for truly lost and unavailable works.
Edited by GoldenDarknessopenCan I recreate the deleted page Magazine/RangerRick Literature
That's because the original page had no tropes and was only a description. I could add the tropes to this long-running magazine.
Edited by wingedcatgirlopenAmerican Girl Historical Characters and Suspiciously Similar Substitute Literature
Back in July of this year, I expanded the trope on the American Girls Historical Characters page to add in with Nicki Hoffman's Suspiciously Similar Substitute listing that one of the things that makes the substitute justified is that the character Nicki Fleming has not been available since 2005. (Ihis is a very long edit; I had done a lot of changes at once.)
On December 2nd, Connie Blackwood made an edit which removed the detail on Nicki Fleming no longer being available.
I am hoping to resolve this information with both Connie and the TV Tropes community. My take is that I feel it is relevant to the entry and others that a lot of the substitutes and repeats in American Girl releases—especially with Girls of the Year—are due to the fact that the target audience will age out and be replaced by younger kids. So a release from 2005 not being available in 2022 is relevant. Often themes and names repeat. It partially matters that Nicki Fleming from 2005 isn't around for a ten year old to compare her to Nicki Hoffman. (Sorry also for the confusing character names. American Girl did that.)
I've also sent a PM to ConnieBlackwood requesting her contribution to this discussion.
(edits because I'm not great at pinging names or making links on ATT to edit history yet.)
Edited by NethiliaopenIs there a procedure for renaming a Media page? Literature
I think that Son of the Black Sword should be renamed to Saga Of The Forgotten Warrior. The current page name is the title of the first book in the series while Saga of the Forgotten Warrior is the name of the series as a whole. Is there a procedure for requesting this? I tried searching but only found the procedure for suggesting a trope rename. If not I guess I'll put in a redirect as a temporary solution.
openI'd like to write an article about a fanfic... Literature
But I don't know if I can, because it is not famous outside a specific Italian niche. I think it deserves an article for being ABSOLUTELY BONKERS in every possible sense of the word, and I'd like to see if it was okay with the rules to inform the international public about this. Thank you in advance^^
openNeed Help With Editing Literature
Hi! So, I’ve created a new page, but I don’t know how to add the ‘tropes’ section. Example: This work provides examples of: with the list of tropes under it. Another thing is, could I request my page to be edited for me? I’m new here. Thanks in advance! Here’s the link:
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/BeforeTheSoulrenderTakesHisToll
openWhy is Lord of the Flies “Science Fiction Literature”? Literature
Genuinely curious, since I never even remotely understood it to be science fiction before. Is it because many have argued it’s a form of Dystopian fiction?
openPossibility of purging KalyHender fic pages? Literature
I'm done with that phase of my life and I deleted my fics. I'm wondering if, if the fics haven't been archived, they can be deleted due to inability to verify said fics? And maybe the Kaly Hender creator page could also be purged? Kaly Hender is dead to me.
I know now that you can't delete stuff for personal reasons, but they may still possibly have to go away for inability to verify reasons.
Edited by KalyTroperopenShort stories go in double quotes(?) Literature
I was only recently made aware that apparently the titles for short stories are marked with double quotes instead of italics. note As in "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" and not I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream. I just learned that it's a Short Story from that edit lol.
I wish to ask for clarification on the practice(?). Is it just those labelled as a Short Story that are to be formatted as such, or should a word count be considered?
I ask this because I'm interested in/been making work pages for creepypastas, some of which can be quite short. Both The Storm (Arav Dagli) and When the Storm Came are about 5 minutes each, while stuff like Laughing Jack takes about 10 minutes to read note (not sure if I should mention the origin story which is on the same page, as that takes 40-50 minutes to read), and I've always been formatting them with italics. Up until now, I've only been familiar with using double quotes for episode titles or installments in a bigger series (sometimes).
Edited by BlackFaithStaropenWrong page name Literature
The character page for Carrie has a section for "the Mortimer Snerds" which is a misinterpretation that this is what Chris Hargensen's clique calls themselves. The book explains that this is not the name of their group, but an insulting nickname that they call outcast students. Should the name of the page be changed?
Edited by Javertshark13openmistress of the art of death Literature
Can I recreate the article for Mistress of the Art of Death? I found it on the mystery literature page but it had been redlinked, and the link said that I needed to ask for permission here to create it since it had been previously deleted for being a stub.
I already have at least 17 tropes lined up for the first book (including the redlinks it's left on other trope pages) and will add more as I work through the series. I'm currently halfway through the second book, Serpent's Tale, and if permission is granted I intend to trope all five books.
Edited by DoodleropenWarrior Cats needs organization Literature
Hey there, so Warrior Cats has an organization problem, with various tropers setting up different pages in different ways (apparently over the years) without being aware of each other. We've got a bunch of essentially duplicate pages and aren't sure what the "right" way to organize all this is.
Sorry in advance for the wall of text.
Basically to explain how the work is set up: Warrior Cats is a book series consisting of just over 100 works at this point. The "main" series is split into six-book-long story arcs, and there's dozens of side books and stories (standalone extra-long-or-short books, graphic novels, short stories/plays posted on the official website, etc) - these side books consist of side adventures, perspective flips, prequels, etc. Altogether, this makes up one long consistent story, just pieces from different POVs, with lots of overlap between them (see this crazy image◊ which is an accurate, up-to-date depiction of how everything fits together). There's also a tabletop game that they included in the back of some of the books, and some games (browser games and an official Roblox environment).
So as far as the TV Tropes pages, originally it was just one long Literature page, Literature/WarriorCats. I also created a Recap page for the individual books since I felt it was the cleanest way rather than creating 100 work pagesmy reasoning there aren't always many examples, especially for the short stories, and the Funny, YMMV, etc subpages would be basically blank if needed at all. This would also make linking on trope pages cleaner as it can just link to Literature/WarriorCats - especially since several of the books are a perspecive flip that cover the same situations so the example would appear in multiple books. Other lengthy works like Animorphs have done similar.
Anyway, I've since discovered that other tropers have made individual pages for some of the books or story arcs, so we have essentially a whole bunch of duplicates going on, many of which are definitely out of date.
So yeah, what we currently have:
- Literature/WarriorCats, the original page containing examples from the whole series, which has often been used as the main page/the one linked to in examples on trope pages. It also contains Funny, Tearjerker, YMMV, Trivia, etc from all the books.
- Recap/WarriorCats with each book having its own recap page with examples
- Franchise/WarriorCats
- Pages for individual books or portions of the series, some of which have their own examples and ymmv, funny, etc pages. In many but not all cases, these are duplicates of the examples either on the equivalent Literature/WarriorCats page, or an individual book's Recap page.
- The individual six-book-long arcs: Warrior Cats: The Original Series, Warrior Cats: The New Prophecy, Warrior Cats: Power of Three, Warrior Cats: Omen of the Stars, Warrior Cats: Dawn of the Clans, Warrior Cats: A Vision of Shadows, Warrior Cats: The Broken Code, Warrior Cats: A Starless Clan
- Warrior Cats: SkyClan Saga, a messy grouping of some of the Super Editions, graphic novels, and novellas, covering a sort of side story arc about the exile & rebuilding of a missing faction. The page is missing some books relevant to it but that story arc has since merged with the main story anyway.
- Warrior Cats Prequel Super Editions, another messy grouping of some of the side books that take place around the same time as each other. They're not the only prequels, or the only books that take place during this time period anymore.
- Warrior Cats Novellas, a grouping specifically of the shorter-than-normal novellas that take place across the whole series. Theoretically they could fit on one of the previously listed pages or multiple, depending on the novella, and otherwise have nothing to do with each other
- Warrior Cats (manga), a grouping specifically of the "manga" side stories. Manga/WarriorCats redirects to this page. Note that there's some confusion as to what to label these as, since they originally were branded as "manga", then reprinted & had new come out as "graphic novels", and as of the last week or so they announced that they're also going to be adapting the actual first story arc into its own graphic novel adaptation (the existing ones had all been original stories rather than a straight adaptation of a book).
- Books/etc with their own pages (note that some are under Literature, one is under Comic Book, one is under Theatre): Bramblestar's Storm, Moth Flight's Vision, Tigerheart's Shadow, Crowfeather's Trial, Warrior Cats: The Rise of Scourge, Brightspirit's Mercy
- TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame for the tabletop game at the back of the books
If I had it my way, I'd axe the separate arc/manga/prequel-super-edition/skyclan saga/novella/individual book pages, and move anything from those that's not a duplicate back to the main Warrior Cats pages or corresponding book's Recap page. Those pages are for the most part duplicates, out of date, and honestly hard to categorize the side books since there's so much overlap (see image I linked above).
I'd keep Franchise/WarriorCats, Literature/WarriorCats, the recap pages, and TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame since that is technichally a separate thing that isn't part of the books' long story. And if I can think of tropes for the indivdual games then I'd give those their own pages, with a VideoGame/WarriorCats linking to them. I don't know if we'd need a Manga(or comic book or whatever)/WarriorCats or Theatre/WarriorCats pages for the graphic novels and short plays: for the books currently known as graphic novels I'm not sure what the proper namespace is for the books, they're not really considered a separate "work" by fans from the main series, and I don't know if/how to sort the existing ones which are side adventures vs the upcoming straight adaptation. The plays are very short things posted on the official site which have very few applicable tropes which I think is sufficiently covered by a Recap page.
But yeah, just wanted to check if there's a "right" way to organize this, and if we do go removing a bunch of pages, what the correct process for that would look like (if I've requested anything to be cut before it's been years.)
Edited by DawnwingopenNantucket Trilogy Literature
Why was Nantucket Trilogy transformed into a redirect for Island in the Sea of Time? The latter is a book within the former series, not the other way around.
So I'm trying to remember a part of one of the pages. I think it involved the Red Queen from wonderland.
Something about collecting toys I think,meaning when wonderland ends she'll be the winner of the game. Of course she'll get nothing by being the winner as she won't remember it when wonderland starts over. I can't remember what pages it's ok. Can anyone help me? I've tried searching all over.