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I was PMed as I made the page for Brightspirit's Mercy so I'll add my piece as well:
I believe that "groupings" of books should share pages, but that in general the more standalone works should not - this includes the more recent super editions, each manga arc (I really don't like the current manga page because they're self-contained mini series)
If something's part of a wider story, it should be together, IMO, but if it's not and is just in the same universe, I don't think so, otherwise that would imply that things like the Marvel Comics should be in one page, if that makes sense
I'm struggling to word this properly at the moment so I'm hoping I've expressed my view on the matter properly?
(Also, plenty of work pages exist that don't have YMMV, Funny, etc pages - I don't think it's unreasonable to keep those limited to the main page?)
I feel like the separation also makes spoilers easier to handle for people who haven't yet read everything. Like, an arc's page would mark all the spoilers for that specific arc, even when the main page would not due to age or something being a Late-Arrival Spoiler.
I'm not against merging Super Editions into a single page and axing Warrior Cats Sky Clan Saga and Warrior Cats Prequel Super Editions because as mentioned above, those pages are pretty outdated by now. However, I do think at the very least having arc pages is a good idea, including the mini-arcs for the manga?
Edited by Serilly LP Deprecation Cleanup | Ask me about SMP LiveAnd I was the one who Pm'd them which is how this discussion started, lol.
My reasoning/thoughts on why I feel we should keep everything on Literature/WarriorCats with recap pages for the individual books, rather than splitting it by arc/etc:
- The whole thing - whether books, graphic novels, etc - is one overall "work" and considered such by fans, rather than different continuities or being separate in any way
- Splitting it into subpages for individual arcs/books creates a lot of pages that I feel are unnecessary - not only for users to find and read, and us to link to, but also to edit and keep track of the pages themselves. The fact that the existing ones are mostly duplicates, many of them link to the Recap pages anyway, and many of them are years out of date (one of them mentions a book announced that'll be coming out in 2015!), demonstrates this
- This series is very comparable to a TV series with seasons (I've even seen fans refer to the arcs as seasons, heh) - as I mentioned it's one long work, and from what I've seen on here, TV series pages don't split the examples by season, just have a main page for the work as a whole, and have individual episode Recap pages with examples.
Wait, which one mentions an upcoming book from 2015? Now I'm curious XD
LP Deprecation Cleanup | Ask me about SMP Live^ The Prequel Super Editions one.
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LP Deprecation Cleanup | Ask me about SMP LiveI don't have a horse (or a cat) in this race, but is this the sort of situation that might warrant some sort of cleanup thread?
A smile better suits a heroIt probably does, though currently we don't really know where to start.
LP Deprecation Cleanup | Ask me about SMP LiveI second a short-term thread. Things can be hashed out there.
Current Project: Incorruptible Pure PurenessI can make one in a bit unless OP wants to?
LP Deprecation Cleanup | Ask me about SMP LiveI've created a Short-Term Projects thread.
Hey there, so Warrior Cats has an organization problem, with various tropers setting up different pages in different ways (apparently over the years) without being aware of each other. We've got a bunch of essentially duplicate pages and aren't sure what the "right" way to organize all this is.
Sorry in advance for the wall of text.
Basically to explain how the work is set up: Warrior Cats is a book series consisting of just over 100 works at this point. The "main" series is split into six-book-long story arcs, and there's dozens of side books and stories (standalone extra-long-or-short books, graphic novels, short stories/plays posted on the official website, etc) - these side books consist of side adventures, perspective flips, prequels, etc. Altogether, this makes up one long consistent story, just pieces from different POVs, with lots of overlap between them (see this crazy image◊ which is an accurate, up-to-date depiction of how everything fits together). There's also a tabletop game that they included in the back of some of the books, and some games (browser games and an official Roblox environment).
So as far as the TV Tropes pages, originally it was just one long Literature page, Literature/WarriorCats. I also created a Recap page for the individual books since I felt it was the cleanest way rather than creating 100 work pagesmy reasoning
Anyway, I've since discovered that other tropers have made individual pages for some of the books or story arcs, so we have essentially a whole bunch of duplicates going on, many of which are definitely out of date.
So yeah, what we currently have:
If I had it my way, I'd axe the separate arc/manga/prequel-super-edition/skyclan saga/novella/individual book pages, and move anything from those that's not a duplicate back to the main Warrior Cats pages or corresponding book's Recap page. Those pages are for the most part duplicates, out of date, and honestly hard to categorize the side books since there's so much overlap (see image I linked above).
I'd keep Franchise/WarriorCats, Literature/WarriorCats, the recap pages, and TabletopGame/WarriorsAdventureGame since that is technichally a separate thing that isn't part of the books' long story. And if I can think of tropes for the indivdual games then I'd give those their own pages, with a VideoGame/WarriorCats linking to them. I don't know if we'd need a Manga(or comic book or whatever)/WarriorCats or Theatre/WarriorCats pages for the graphic novels and short plays: for the books currently known as graphic novels I'm not sure what the proper namespace is for the books, they're not really considered a separate "work" by fans from the main series, and I don't know if/how to sort the existing ones which are side adventures vs the upcoming straight adaptation. The plays are very short things posted on the official site which have very few applicable tropes which I think is sufficiently covered by a Recap page.
But yeah, just wanted to check if there's a "right" way to organize this, and if we do go removing a bunch of pages, what the correct process for that would look like (if I've requested anything to be cut before it's been years.)
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