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openSpectacular spider-man MJ knows Peter’s secret Western Animation
I was reading over the page the spectacular Spider-Man and I saw in the example of secret keeper that according to word of God MJ knows Peter secret. Can someone please provide the source?
resolved Possible Edit War in Despicable Me 4? Western Animation
- Mepsipax adds this entry for They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot.
- Venomous Seal deletes it because the trope "isn't supposed" to be added until "three days after the movie's released".
- Ilove Cookies 875 readds the entry without explanation.
Is this an Edit War? Because while it doesn't follow the back-and-forth adding and removing of the same entry by two different tropers, They Wasted a Perfectly Good Plot is not under No Recent Examples, Please!, so I'm not sure either if the entry should stay.
openTroper M00ny4rzu needs a tap on the shoulder. Western Animation
Troper M00ny4rzu keeps on adding back An Aesop for this recap page for the Bluey show, despite there being a cleanup for the wick. I had added the reason it was removed and the troper put the example back. The second time, I added much more details.
openIs there a way to add more media sources like an episode Western Animation
I wanted to add the episode The Boondocks - S1 E4: "Granddad's Fight" to avideo example of Conflict Ball (A Nigga Moment), but i can't add it. Do i have to reupload it and add the source?
resolved How to make a redirect page. Western Animation
I want to make a Nightmare Fuel redirection for Opal, so it redirects to the Nightmare fuel page for Jack Stauber. All the examples regarding Opal are already on the Jack Stauber page, and there's no existing page on Nightmare Fuel for Opal by itself.
openWhat An Idiot Monster Buster Club YMMV Western Animation
I have 2 examples of What An Idiot for the show Monster Buster Club and want to place them on the YMMV page, but I was wondering if I should ask permission.
resolved Regarding "My Little Pony: Rainbow Roadtrip" in Banned In China page Western Animation
Just went into Banned in China page and "My Little Pony: Rainbow Roadtrip" is on the page again for the third time.
- Hasbro’s decision to renew their contract with Discovery Family through 2025 has resulted in a tantamount ban on My Little Pony: Rainbow Roadtrip in many countries such as Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Norway, Switzerland, and Turkey, thus preventing the film from getting dubs in any of the languages spoken in those regions.
It was written on Teen Titans Go! example on the page. It was written by a troper named JHC1990. However, as there's no objectable content found in the MLP film, and I think that Hasbro's decision to renew their contract with Discovery Family through 2025 is not a reason for a tantamount ban on some European countries, and I don't think it's a tantamount ban. I think the example should be on No Export for You instead. What did you guys think?
resolved Is NoPoliceOption in Trolls Band Together? Western Animation
A couple of times in Trolls Band Together, when a character hears that one or more members of a boy band have been kidnapped, that character suggests alerting the authorities. That idea gets shot down each time it's suggested, not due to a lack of evidence or any rules tying the authorities' hands, but because the band members are being kept in diamond bottles, and only a special harmony can break diamond, i.e. they aren't expecting the authorities to be able to rescue the band member.
I have to admit that this runs into some Fridge Logic on a few different levels (not least of which is the fact that the police do take the villains away in the end), but that aside, does this count as an example of No "Police" Option?
resolved Can someone please add this video to this page I created? Western Animation
Can someone please the video example for Transformation Discretion Shot of Spider-Man: The Animated Series to a recap page for an episode I created a while ago? The episode is Enter the Punisher
resolved Replacing trope when the one who added it seemingly hasn't been active in months Western Animation
Good day.
So I was browsing a character page of a cartoon (I won't name it since this question involves spoilers for the show) and saw the trope "Defeat Means Friendship" used in an instance where "Heel Realization" works better since following their defeat, the character in question had broken down in a "My God, What Have I Done?"-moment realizing they have been the villain the whole time but was then carried away by their loyal henchman without any indication of becoming friends with the hero.
I messaged the one who added the example about it. The problem is that the person has not edited anything since September 2023. Therefore, it is not unlikely they haven't been online since and won't respond.
I would wait a week for them to response. But in case they don't respond, as well as for future reference, would it be alright for me to change the trope if they don't respond in that week repeating my reasoning for why "Heel Realization" works better as the edit reason?
openDownerEnding Western Animation
I have discovered that animated series created by FOX Animation studio are listed in the folder along with Disney. I have researched that not all of FOX's assets are owned by Disney and the company's series are mostly broadcasted by Adult Swim (well except for Simpsons. So I want to ask, should we remove the examples into Adult Swim folder or keep the series at Disney if you find proof that all (or more technically most of) the series are owned truly by Disney
openIffy example on The Jungle Book 2 page Western Animation
So uh, while idly surfing the site I found this entry on the page for The Jungle Book 2:
- G-Rated Sex: It is implied that in the beginning and, mostly, the end, Mowgli and Shanti have been hanging out, and not just platonically, but also romantically and sometimes sexually, much to their parents' support.
So first of all, rewatching the scenes in question, I'm not getting the implication that Mowgli and Shanti's interactions are anything more than just them teasing each other like kids do. When Mowgli returns to Shanti and Ranjan in the end, the most he does is grab Shanti's hand and playfully say that he'll race her back to the Man-Village. At most, it feels like a Ship Tease, "maybe they'll fall in love when they grow up" kind of moment, if anything (but it comes off more like two kids just goofing around).
And secondly, maybe I might be reading too much into it, but the entry is worded in such a way that it just comes off like whoever wrote it believes that Mowgli and Shanti are meant to be doing illicit things out in the jungle when they go out to get water for the Man-Village (or that "getting the water" is some kind of innuendo) and that their parents are encouraging it, which is just...ew. The characters are kids who are somewhere in the 10-12 range for Pete's sake, the words "romantically and sometimes sexually" shouldn't be in the same sentence as them.
Am I just reading too much into this or does this entry sincerely need to go or at the very least be reworded?
resolved No Title Western Animation
MagicallyMe keeps on removing a certain example on the Protagonist-Centered Morality page for the show My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic. I really don't want to start an edit war, so I came her first.
Here's the example that keeps getting deleted
- In "Boast Busters" Rainbow Dash, Rarity and Applejack take issue with Trixie's magic show and boasting, despite all three doing plenty of boasting themselves and begin heckling her for little if any reason. By the end of the episode Trixie's home and possessions are destroyed by an Ursa Minor and the main culprits of the bear being brought there, Snips and Snails, get mustaches as 'punishment'. While Twilight is the one to (indirect) humiliate her, Twilight's friends were practically gloating at the ruination of someone else's livelihood and home for behavior less problematic they themselves have and would do.
resolved Start of an Edit War/Possible Sockpuppet? Western Animation
Hello! So I recently posted this in the "Is this an Example?" thread, and haven't really got replies, though they have been leaning to my side.
I found something that screams shoehorning from a biased source.
From the YMMV page of The Owl House:
- Broken Aesop: The Series Finale has two major ones;
- Earlier in the series, the show railed against the concept of a Chosen One, and said that people should carve out their own paths. Just before the climax however, it's revealed that the remnants of the dead Titan has been actively helping Luz in learning Magic and has picked her to be the one to stand up against Belos. Guess what? That makes her a fucking CHOSEN ONE!!!
- After Belos is defeated and no longer a threat, he starts begging for Luz to save him from death, saying that is she doesn't, she'll be just as "evil" as the witches, and "We're Human, we're better than this!", only for Eda and friends to push Luz aside, smugly say to Belos "Well we ain't!" and then gleefully stomp him to death and laugh, proving that despite everything the show preached, in his final moments, they proved that everything Belos said had some merit of truth to it.
Two huge problems with this. First, it's very clearly overly hostile and biased against the show judging by it's language, and attempting to whitewash Belos by suggesting he has a point. Secondly, both examples are taken completely out of context to form a rhetorical strawman. The first one isn't an example because she wasn't born with any special destiny. She only got the Titan's approval due to being her kind and loving self, especially to his son. The second is just plainly absurd. It's attempting to play moral judgement on some of the people who have suffered the most under the genocidal psychopath, when he had just made his second attempt to commit genocide against their species.
I took the liberty of removing the example from the YMMV page. Now that would be fine on it's own, even if I heavily disagree with it... If it weren't for this entry literally being a copy paste of something that was posted on the main page of the show which the troper Gamermaster removed. The weird part is that it was copy pasted onto the YMMV page by an entirely different user, and the first user has a total of two edits on their entire edit history, both of which are super hostile to modern Disney properties. Later on the person who posted it on the main Owl House page posted it right back on the YMMV page exactly as is without going to the "Is this an Example?" thread, and added further shoehorning. I removed those too... but now I am wondering if this is some sort of sockpuppeting situation due to the reasons listed above. At the very least it could warp into an Edit War.
openHelp a new troper make a fanfic rec page Western Animation
Not exactly about a trope, but I don't know if there's a more appropriate place to ask. I joined recently, so I'm still getting the hang of the site. I want to make a rec list for a work that so far doesn't have one, but I don't know some things... I have checked out some examples from other pages and read some Administratrivia, but I still have doubts:
Is it necessary to link Sturgeon's Law at the start?
Do I have to put "No-name recommendations will be zapped. Nobody would back up the rec"? I saw it done in all fic recs I've checked out minus two, so I don't know if it's mandatory. Besides, the template doesn't have it, so...
Do I organize them on folders? Do I need a minimum of examples to create a folder or something similar?
Do I have to link to the author too or just the name without a link is fine? With the link to the fanfic, of course.
What kind of fanfics should NOT be put in the page under any circumstances?
Considering the four folders that come in the page template (Authors and Websites, General Fics, Crossover Fics, and Shipping Fics), how can I determine that another folder has to be made?
If you want to leave additional advice, I'm all ears. Thank you in advance.
openPermission to revert an entry on Characters/DannyPhantomOthers Western Animation
On December 24th, 2021, I added the entry Jerk with a Heart of Gold to the character of Mr. Lancer:
- Jerk with a Heart of Gold: For all he acts like a Sadist Teacher, he does care about his students and wants to see them succeed in school, and can be somewhat fair at times. And while he has been a Dirty Coward before, he's demonstrated a willingness to jump in and protect his students if need be.
- Jerk with a Heart of Jerk: Throughout the series he has been nothing but a narcissistic Sadist Teacher, who constantly displays a Condescending Compassion tone of voice. The only times when he “cares” about his students is when he can benefit the current situation at hand. In addition, whenever he has been “fair” to his students, it usually involves either him playing favorites with the popular students or if he can solely benefit from the situation. And while he has been a Dirty Coward before, he's demonstrated a willingness to jump in and protect his students if need be, if only to realize his way out of depth.
Recently however, on rewatching some episodes where he was prominent, I thought back to this and decided to take the matter here, particularly after putting Lordknightwolf's handle into the search function now available on the Edit History revealed they appear to have an agenda regarding Mr. Lancer, deleting entries that would suggest he is in any way not a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk, such as a Characterization Marches On entry with a heated edit reason, as well as adding him to the Jerks Are Worse Than Villains entry claiming he had no sympathetic traits, which was accordingly changed by generation81.
So, I take the matter here to ATT: Should Mr. Lancer be reverted to a Jerk with a Heart of Gold entry? Or should he remain as a Jerk with a Heart of Jerk entry?
Edited by RebelFalconopenTrivia page for Potsworth & Company Western Animation
The Trivia page for Potsworth & Company was cut for only having a cut trope on it. However, I wish to recreate it to list a Keep Circulating the Tapes example. Should I do so?
openNot a good example of Shallow Parody? Western Animation
This entry has been bothering me for a while now, and I think I figured out how to articulate my reasonings. In the Western Animation section for Shallow Parody, this is said for Teen Titans Go!:
- The episode "Squash and Stretch" has the Titans watching a Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner parody with parodies of Gumball and Darwin in the title characters' roles, seeming to indicate the writers never watched TAWoG, but wanted to parody it anyway.
My issue with this, is In Wander Over Yonder, there’s a reference to Gravity Falls, but it’s more a parody of Scooby-Doo, yet it gets listed as a Shout-Out.
So my question is, why is it when WoY does a parody of a show that uses the designs but the plot of a different show, it’s considered a Shout-Out, yet when TTG does the exact same thing it’s considered a Shallow Parody?
Edited by BlueBlazesresolved Edit war over What Do You Mean, It's For Kids? Western Animation
On YMMV.The Loud House, gbstout0607 is edit warring over a What Do You Mean, It's for Kids? entry:
- gbstout0607 adds the example:
* What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: Aside from the Demographically Inappropriate Humour, there have been several episodes that have instances where someone could’ve died, especially in "The Loud House Movie."
- jandn2014 removes the example.
- gbstout0607 adds a reworded version of the previous example they added:
* What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: Although it’s aimed at kids, there have been several episodes that have instances where someone could’ve died, especially in "The Loud House Movie."
I've sent "misuse" notifiers to gbstout0607.
Edited by ChillyBeanBAM
I think there is a possible edit war on YMMV.Hilda.
Back in December 11, 2023, Nic Master Trope added a Base-Breaking Character entry covering Anders from S3, which I then deleted since it violates No Recent Examples, Please! (as it had only been a couple of days after the season aired (december 7) and examples require a six month waiting period after the work/season's release). However, on April 29, 2024, Nic Master Troper re-added and expanded the example, once again violating No Recent Examples, Please! (waiting period for S3 examples is not over til June 7) and ignoring the commented out saying not to put such examples until the waiting period is up.
I am taking it here, because I want to avoid an edit war and the user has now violated No Recent Examples, Please! twice.
Edited by Tylerbear12