Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Ledgermayne

Abstain on John Moorcroft.

Squire Pendleton

Dr. August Kuratov

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 13th 2021 at 11:27:35 AM

Rarely post here but might as well say: I deleted this from YMMV.Kitboga:

• Complete Monster: Averted in the case of most scammers - as unsavoury as they can be, most of the time they're mere peons working for the even more corrupt people in charge.
  • This trope is unfortunately and chillingly played completely straight with Steve, the scammer who set new records for just how far a scammer's rage can fly off the handle. While this rage is undeniably amusing, the fact that he punctuated his almighty tantrum with phrases such as "I WILL RAPE YOUR FAMILY! I WILL KILL YOUR FAMILY!" and "I WILL SHOOT YOUR HUSBAND, POINT BLANK IN HIS HEAD." is a sobering thought. This man exemplifies everything bad about scammers and what they are known to do: Skipping past the obvious criminal elements in common with other scammers, not only does he consider himself so superior than the Westerners he targets that he feels he can threaten to molest and even murder his victims and their loved ones, his fragile ego comes to the fore the moment a man begins speaking to him (in this case, Edna's husband), resulting in him shying away and becoming timid until the moment he's out of the picture. It's cathartic as all hell to see Kit expertly break Steve down, completely shattering any control he thought he had.

Yeah... no. That episode was quite funny (if a bit unsettling due to how angry the guy got), but Kitboga is a real life person scambaiting real life people, so... no.

Edited by jjjj2 on Feb 13th 2021 at 11:29:39 AM

Yes to Ledgermayne.

Yes to John Moorcroft, Pendleton, Kuratov, and Ledgermaye.

Ledgermayne.

to ACW's rewrite of Dr. Jack Franklyn/Dr. Clifford Cox and Ledgermayne.

Also, are there any opinions on my rewrite here?

Edited by DrUnknown on Feb 13th 2021 at 9:05:33 AM

I like it, Unknown

Here's what's pending:

• Robot Ninja (1989) (Jackie)
• Doppelgänger (Lighty)
• Keradoc (Lighty)
• Raymond De Merville (Lighty)
• The Reckoning (2020) (Lighty)
• Mox Mox (Lighty)
• Prime Suspect (MGD)
• Roland Joseph Sable (Mir)
• Angel Heart rewrite (Ravok)
• Dr. August Kuratov (Ravok)
• Shaala (Silverblade)
• Ledgermayne (Snowy)
• Requiescant, aka Kill and Pray (1967):
  • George Bellow Ferguson (Lighty)
  • Dean Light (Scraggle)
• Guild Hunter:
  • Archangel Charisemnon (Mir)

Anyone want to comment on this entry

Having seen the movie years ago, the Interrogator's entry could use some reworking. Something like this?

• The Interrogator is an ice cold sadist tasked with getting a children's author to admit she put anti-government messages in her stories. Subjecting her to all sorts of horrific, increasingly painful tortures and psychological mind games to get her to crack, the Interrogator is also implied to have molested her as a child.

Also here are my write-ups.

• Robot Ninja (1989)
  • Gody Sanchez is the leader of a gang of punks who prowl the town raping and murdering anybody they please. Encountered by the Robot Ninja, Gody holds a child hostage and accidentally kills him while running away. Happily mutilating Robot Ninja’s claw wrist while he’s pinned down by her men, Gody later tortures and kills Dr. Goodknight under the impression he was Robot Ninja. Encountering Robot Ninja one final time in the junk yard, Gody runs over a cop patrolling the place before brutally maiming the vigilante till he’s near death.
  • Buddy Revelle is Gody’s murderous, rape-happy right hand who participates the most in his boss’s crime sprees. Upon being encountered by the Robot Ninja, Revelle tries to rape a woman during the commotion, leaving his team to sort out the masked vigilante before becoming Robot Ninja’s first kill.

Yes to the rewrites and while I haven't seen the film there mir, just as a suggestion for whoever does the rewrite: list out the specific ways he torments her—without getting into unnecessarily edgy details—and modify the awkward end to just emphasize that he claims to be her rapist to torment her, we don't the "Btw he probably didn't."

Guess what.

CSI is coming back as a miniseries sequel

Huh, cool. You wanna share this? G-Editor, you too?

Agree with 43, I think listing out some of the ways the Interrogator actually does the torturing will beef up his write-up. Jackie's potential one is good, just feel it needs a lil more meat to it.

Alright, now, to continue what seems to be a trend of me recommending cuts in recent months lol I think Udai Taxim needs to go on the chopping block. Here's his entry:

• ** "Black Dog Serenade": Udai Taxim is a psychopathic assassin and the Arch-Enemy of Jet Black. Introduced after having slaughtered a group of guards on his prison ship to escape, Udai goes on to kill the pilots of the craft. Engaging the police with his gang when they come to stop him, Udai continues his killing spree, having his men wipe out the cops' attack force. Confronted by Jet, Udai reveals that years ago he conspired with Jet's former cop-partner to kill Jet, which led to Jet losing his arm in a shootout, before Udai attacks and tries to kill him once again.

Alright, so, first things first? I want to clarify that this write-up has a few errors, namely:

• Udai isn't Jet's Arch-Enemy—he only crops up in the one episode, he's built up as a bad threat...then he's promptly killed at the end so Jet can confront his actual most personal foe.

• Udai doesn't kill the pilots. Another prisoner does, and Udai responds by killing said prisoner for being a hothead and killing their only hostages.

• Lastly, saying Udai "has his men wipe out the police task force" is pretty much explicitly allocating more responsibility to Udai than he actually has. All of the prisoners work together to concoct a scheme and carry it out, Udai isn't treated as their "leader" in any way, shape or form, even if he's the most threatening presence.

So, Udai's rapsheet amounts to: Killing a corridor full of prison guards that amount to less than 10 victims, killing a rampaging fellow inmate, scheming with the others to blow up some cop ships, and bragging his part in luring Jet to a trap where Jet's partner betrayed him and shot his arm off. All of this lead to the original effortposter claiming Udai had the "second highest bodycount in the show".

And now, let's compare Udai to some of the other villains in the franchise not named Vicious and see how that claim holds up.

• Mad Pierrot kills his way through an ISSP facility then becomes a Serial Killer of ISSP officials and their security guards. He kills a minimum of two dozen people.

• Vincent Volaju releases a bioplague that kills dozens of people, betrays and murders several of his partners, and plans to wipe out millions of people.

• Maria Murdoch massacres a restaurant and kills almost a dozen people, transforms people into ravenous monkeys for experiments, subjects one of her own sons to said fate, and tries to use a virus to reduce an entire planet of living people to mere monkeys.

• Wen kidnaps and paralyzes men into catatonia to keep them wheelchair bound and barely alive for years just so he has a cover story for his youthful appearance, and murders anyone who tries to rescue the men from this horrible fate.

So right off the bat, no, Udai doesn't have the second highest bodycount in the show, and he doesn't come close to having some of the worst crimes. He's just an escaped prisoner whose victims only amount to cops and prison guards looking to lock him back up on death row, and while he's a brutal, cruel mofo with few resources, he just isn't particularly notable. The episode itself shows that the other inmates totally cheer on his killing of the guards while killing guards of their own, so the only real unique thing Udai's got here is the skill to rack up a higher killcount of the prison staff.

And so I end yet another long-winded breakdown to simply say: I don't think Udai reaches the high heinous standard even as a Monster of the Week (which all of the above are as well except Vincent who's the movie villain), and needs to be cut.

Thoughts?

Yes, cut Udai ASAP

• Requiescant: George Bellows Ferguson is a racist ex-Confederate who fancies himself an aristocrat. Massacring a Mexican village to steal their land, Ferguson sets up in San Antonio where he continues to take the land of others, treating Mexicans and Blacks as slaves while murdering any who resist. Allowing his cohort Dean Light to sexually enslave women, Ferguson tries to recruit Requiescant when he arrives to free his stepsister. Initiating sadistic games such as shooting candles out of the hands of young ladies, Ferguson later murders his own wife for assisting Requiescant before trying to kill the remaining Mexican rebels who stand in his way.
• Mox Mox the Manburner is a former associate of Blue Duck's who despises everyone in the world for reminding him of himself and what he cannot be or have. Having once desired to burn Lori alive, Mox Mox contented himself with torturing an lighting a little boy on fire instead when Blue Duck refused. Traveling with a band of murderers, Mox Mox kidnaps numerous innocents and burns them, never sparing any for any reason while being hunted. When finally tracked down, Mox Mox has kidnapped two children and is torturing one with a quirt, intending on soon burning them alive as well.
• Klaus: Klaus's evil doppleganger hails from another place in the multiverse. A sadistic monster who powers his machines with the dreams and imaginations of children, the wicked Klaus kidnaps numerous children to turn them into shells of themselves in collaboration with the Pola Cola corporation. The doppleganger bargains with the captive children, planning for more to be taken while their families are brainwashed into being soldiers for Pola Cola to start a massacre worldwide to stain the name of Klaus forever.
• Highlander: dark Places: Andrus Keradovc, in truth Vlad Tepes Dracula, was a sadistic nobleman who committed countless atrocitie, from impaling thousands to burning the homeless and inform of Wallachia alive. As an immortal, Keradoc leaves a legacy of horror behind him, murdering countless beings as he seeks his true conquests. Beheaded by heroic William Caelius, Keradoc's evil soul takes over Caelius to continue his deeds, killing all Caelius's friends and plotting even crueler deeds to carry on his legacy.
• Pilgrimare: Raymond de Merville is a cruel Norman soldier who carries out raids against Ireland, later intending on stealing a holy relic against his own father's guarantees despite it meaning the elder de Merville's damnation. Arranging a massacre of pilgrims, Raymond captures the chief monk Brother Ciaran and reveals he is also a serial torturer who fancies a barbed prong, having tortured many Greek Orthodox priests before utilizing the device on Brother Ciaran to give him a slow death, using the same on another opponent and former knight later.
• The Reckoning
  • Witch-Finder Judge John Moorcroft is a stern and fanatical witch hunter with a legacy of tortured women behind him. Traveling from town to town, Moorcroft interrogates, tortures and burns women alive, including the mother of heroine Grace. Upon Grace being accused of witchcraft, Moorcroft oversees her torture with increasing intensity before he decides her confession is implicit, since only a witch could endure such agony, sentencing her and her baby to burn for the sake of his wounded pride.
  • Squire Pendleton is Grace's landlord who lusted after her. Poisoning her husband with the Plague, Pendleton attempts to extort Grace for sexual favors to keep her land, fought off when he tries to rape her. Later framing Grace as a witch, Pendleton gives her to Moorcroft to be tortured and executed. Murdering a prisoner Grace befriended for spite, Pendleton reveals his murder of her husband, vowing to kill anyone Grace has ever cared about, ending with her baby daughter Abby.

Edited by Lightysnake on Feb 13th 2021 at 11:50:02 AM

Cut Udai.

Lighty, I assume it's this Dark Places?

Oh, and cut Udai.

Edited by ACW on Feb 13th 2021 at 2:52:44 PM

Yes! Cut Udai... he's almost a non-entity with this wiki somehow grasping to the faint bit of characterization he's got and (honestly minimal) rap-sheet and playing it up for more than it's worth. My esteemed colleague has laid much of it out but just to reiterate: Udai is a criminal who shares a past with Jet, he's not even the most personal antagonist in the episode, with Jet's ex-partner basically just using him and as Rav said, he's just one of the prisoners fucking shit up to dodge their execution. He's presented as The Dreaded but we never get enough detail on his past crimes to make anything of it and he's not really leading the bunch, many of the others cheer him on for killing some of the guards, many of them kill guards themselves and there's a much more grounded prisoner who gets killed part way through the episode but seems much more to be the "brains" of the operation, a hierarchy is being misattributed here and it's not communicating his crimes accurately. He objectively flunks the HS, great recheck there buddy and definite go to this guy!

Cut Udai

Cut Udai.

Yeah, I only whipped up Interrogator's rewrite in a few seconds. If anybody wants to improve upon it, be my guest.

Also cut Udai, as Ravok does make some good points. Still one of the best episodes in the series though.

Naw yours is good bro. I was writing out those tips and saw you had posted it before I hit send. I'm digging it!

Potholed version:

• Closet Land: The unnamed interrogator is an ice-cold member of the Secret Police tasked with getting a children's author to admit she put anti-government messages in her stories. Subjecting the author to all sorts of horrific, increasingly painful tortures and psychological mind games to get her to crack, the interrogator is also implied to have molested her as a child.

Also, Scraggle, mind getting Dean Light up this week? Silverblade, you wanna get up Shaala?

Cut Udai.

Cut Udai and sure we can all split the upcoming CSI miniseries. It should be interesting to see

Edited by G-Editor on Feb 13th 2021 at 10:15:34 AM