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• Madame Macabre:
  • The Pianist: In this song inspired by the Creepypasta of the same name, the nameless demon manages to be worse than the one in the original story. Summoning herself to a man desperately trying to learn how to play the piano to impress the woman she loves, the demon offers the man to sell his soul to her in exchange of great pianist skills. The man signs the contract without reading it, and while he does obtain what promised, his music ends up killing everyone who listens to it, including the woman he loves. Confronting the demon about this, she mocks him for not reading the contract, which clearly stated this would have happened. With the man now on her side, the demon continues going after desperate humans to make deals with them, wishing to spread her curse like a disease.

to Stench

Gyiu'rak, Demon

As the guy that originally proposed him, late to TWR!Himmler considering the agency issues.

That said, I do have three more keepers to discuss from a HOI 4 mod that's a fanwork for a work of fiction that is disallowed on this page officially, but almost every fanwork for it has a CM of sorts coming up soon once they update for the new DLC.....

Edited by xie323 on Sep 29th 2022 at 6:30:49 AM

Gyiu'rak, Demon, Belathauzer and Stench

Meridius

Yes to Belathauzer and Stench!

Thanks to Scrags for cluing me in on these...And for mine from this here collab...from Dead of Night featuring Werewolf of Night.

Who is Dr. Kalbfleisch? What has he done?

The head of scientific research of the mysterious "Babylon Group", Kalbfleisch has been capturing and experimenting on "supernatural" creatures for years, subjecting a variety of ghosts, fishmen, and other oddities to traumatic treatments and experiments that have left most of them lifeless husks under his "care", using his research to benefit pharmaceutical companies. Kalbfleisch brags "We've cured polio. But that's a secret. Diphtheria, too."

A morally bunkrupt sociopath who found "Jack Russell" and his sister Jenny after Jenny became an uncontrollable, animalistic werewolf and slaughtered her entire town, Kalbfleisch turned Jenny into another of his lab rats, setting young Jack up with a fake family while consistently subjecting Jack to what are shown as "torturous" DNA and blood harvesting sessions that Kalbfleisch uses to experiment further on Jenny. When Jack started showing signs of lycanthropy himself, Kalbfleisch intended to turn the boy into a full-time experiment, only for his parents to try to save him by running away...the werewolf animal inside Jack emerged instead and killed his parents then fled into the night, pursued by Babylon.

For years, Babylon has pursued Jack, and now that Kalbfleisch is losing patience, he decides the risk is worth it and unleashes Jenny as a werewolf to hunt down her brother. When it results in Jenny butchering Jack's pregnant wife? Kalbfleisch gives a resounding oh well, harvests the baby from her womb, and paints the attack as Jack's werewolf side having done it, driving Jack into traumatic despair.

Kalbfleisch then destroys Jack's locked-room safe haven that he hides in when his wolf side comes out, forcing him to either surrender to Babylon or transform in a populated city center and kill countless people. Jack surrenders, and finds out the truth about Babylon, Kalbfleisch offering him a deal: in exchange for keeping Jack and his barely-alive baby daughter safe, Kalbfleisch will use Jack as one of his lab rats and raise Jack's daughter into a killing weapon and further experimental subject for his own uses.

Jack, naturally, refuses and rampages through Babylon to get his daughter to safety. In a spiteful rage, Kalbfleisch unleashes a variety of his experiments—notably a sadistic Ax-Crazy vampire and a barely-mentally-functioning Frankenstein Expy—and allows them to try to kill Jack's infant daughter to stop them. Ultimately, Kalbfleisch manages to capture and turn Jack into a comatose guinea pig, subjecting his daughter to the same "fake family, regular experiments" schpeal as Jack went through as a youngin', Kalbfleisch seemingly having won...only for the last moments of the comic to show, years later, Jack's daughter having manifested the wolf inside her and huntinf down Kalbfleisch inside Babylon to save her father once and for all.

Mitigating features?

Nothing, his entire schtick is For Science! and for the greed of pharmaceutical companies to profit on his research.

Heinousness?

So, Jack and Jenny's werewolf sides are...bad. Jenny's killed her family and entire town then Jack's fiance, Jack's slaughtered his foster parents and has killed plenty innocents over the years...buuuut they're ultimately more like wild animals than anything else, and Kalbfleisch isn't a big bad wolf. Just a nasty scientist who experiments on groups of supernatural beings in nasty ways, is willing to torment and threaten children as young as newborns to accomplish his goals, and is the true Big Bad of the comic in haphazardly unleashing Jenny and getting Jack's fiance killed.

Final Verdict?

I'd say Kalbfleisch is juuuust passing.

Sure to Kalbfleisch.

Arthur, Scravok Duo (not typing them names out lmao)

Dr. Kalbfleisch and Stench.

Kalbfleisch

Yes to him (he doesn't get credit for curing polio??). Oddly, it appears this and the Man-Thing one are a different setting than the Devil-Slayer one.

Edited by ACW on Sep 29th 2022 at 11:47:23 AM

Kalbfleisch

Alright got a candidate from How to Train Your Dragon I may have missed but as always, the thread decides. Thankfully the about section is gonna be much more brief than the others I got from the series but holy fuck is he a Small Role, Big Impact.

What is the work? How to Train Your Dragon is a book series that combines vikings... and dragons. Having Hiccup as our unlikely protagonist, you follow him and his allies through a multitude of adventures. While books 1 to 7 are mostly self contained with a few references (reoccurring villains etc) Book 8 is notably more darker and ends with a more Bittersweet Ending. During Book 8 we meet Excellinor for the first time and she tells a story about Hiccup's ancestor which has our candidate for today. Hiccup II's brother Thugheart.

Who is Thugheart and what has he done?

Thugheart is Hiccup II's brother and the eldest son of their father Grimbeard. Thugheart was raised well and was set to be due king of the vikings but fate had other plans. Grimbeard's soldiers had discovered that Hiccup II had survived being left in the wilds by his dad and was brought to him. Although Grimbeard was taken aback, he genuinely bonded with his son and was starting to change his ways of brutality.

Now Thugheart's response to dear old daddy bonding with his other sibling? Plot with the king of the mainland to overthrow Grimbeard and have both him and Hiccup II murdered. Because Hiccup II was gonna try and have a peaceful protest with both human and dragons to let bygones be bygones and usher a new era of cooperative peace, Thugheart manipulates Grimbeard into thinking Hiccup II was starting a dragon rebellion to kill him. The result? Instead of a peaceful protest, it ended in a bloodbath with Grimbeard eventually mowing Hiccup II down with his sword.

Hiccup II reveals that he only wanted a peaceful outcome, horrifying Grimbeard. This outcome also shaped the dragon Furious into becoming a vengeful genocidal W.I.E since Hiccup II was his adopted brother. With Grimbeard discovering Thugheart's treachery, he has him exiled from which Thugheart builds his own tribe of equal minded psychopaths called The Outcasts (in which our good old duo Alvin and Excellinor come from.)

Mitigating Features or Freudian Excuse?

Wahh dad gave another brother more attention, I'm gonna try and instigate a war so I can be king.

Now you're probably concerned whether the story is true since it's told by Excellinor. Yes it is, there's plenty of evidence (for one the pissed off dragon who tells you lmao.) Him having a wife and child? He's on an island with like minded psychopaths and there's not a single ounce of what they're marriage is like so no I don't think it's negating.

Heinous Standard?

Now this is my biggest problem because the 3 I've got up are guilty of attempted genocide, and there's still another character who wants genocide.(No he doesn't count, I recently got him up on MB) Thugheart could've simply just tried to kill Hiccup and Grimbeard privately but no he tries to instigate a war because of his little brother being more loved. I know resources aren't a get out of jail card but Thugheart literally did this on his own. He may have conspired with the mainland king but the idea of manipulating Grimbeard falls onto his shoulders.

Final Verdict?

If not for the heinous standard giving me pause, a very tenative keep.

Edited by WetFlannels on Sep 29th 2022 at 5:33:49 PM

Abstaining on Thugheart, not sure if he's bad enough compared to the other bad guys.

Edited by Powermaster201 on Sep 29th 2022 at 3:25:40 PM

Abstain on Thug Heart.

So there's something important, apparently there's an issue where someone said "Josh Reynolds portrayed Mannfred Von Carstein as being still a treacherous monster but also capable of genuine nobility, whereas every other writer has him as a Complete Monster." when if that's an issue than C Ms "capable of genuine nobility" but refusing to be redeemed such as Frollo need to be cut. A CM can have a good side if it doesn't necessarily influence their actions yes?

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask, but usually them having a good side (in the present) would likely be disqualifying.

Any concerns about characters that are Unintentionally Sympathetic?

Hi, I’m just wondering if 2000 AD has been taken or not…?

to Gyiu’rak, Demon, Belathuzer, Arthur Stench and Dr. Kalbfleisch.

Abstain on Thugheart.

He might be referring to Mannfred's redeeming qualities in Age of Sigmar? It's a sequel but I think also an alternate continuity.

Mannfred is treated as having redeeming traits in Age of Sigmar, a distant sequel— this is a classic Depending on the Writer case, he spent the entire original continuity a treacherous, irredeemable, sadistic monster and— though Age of Sigmar is treated as a sequel— he didn't gain redeeming traits until then. None of his original run has him having redeeming traits and I'd be extremely opposed to removing him because a later writer would go on to give him said traits in a sequel, the canonicity of which to the original is arguable.

Plus, add in that Warhammer is going to have another reboot bringing back The Old World and I'm not in favor of Mannfred going because of Age of Sigmar.

Edited by Riley1sCool on Sep 29th 2022 at 1:20:01 AM

Abstain on Thugheart.

Unintentional Sympathy usually is not an issue, Siegfried, especially if that sympathy is grossly overshadowed by their actions.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Sep 29th 2022 at 5:47:14 AM

I'll give a weak yes to Thuggheart, sounds like he's punching fairly high for his low resources.

Abstain on Thuggheart

So yeah I am coming back to the thread, I have a trim to start off with for a really unnecessarily long entry.

Current:

• The Last Lamia: Dr. Theodore Erswick is the sociopathic leader of Avatech's Project Ascension. After forming a Faustian deal with a tribe of Lamias, he has them kidnapped from their beds at night to conduct excessive experiments and Electric Torture on them, then wipe their memories so that his pact can remain intact. When instructed to commit genocide on the Lamia species, Erswick sadistically agrees and has their homes burned and the Lamias slaughtered with guns and poisoned blades. When he comes across the dying Lamia Sovereign, he tortures her by shooting her repeatedly, then burns her alive for his own amusement. He has his soldiers collect all the Lamia corpses to harvest for their DNA, and transports them back to the city of Brookhaven, where he experiments with his genetic rewriting by performing horrific and torturous experiments on innocent people just trying to survive, killing them or transforming them into mindless monsters in constant agony. When Rebel leader Xander makes a deal with Erswick to turn over his allies in exchange for Erswick curing his sister Lani's fatal disease, Erswick betrays him and instead kidnaps all four members of the rebel group, injecting them with his experimental formula. He then mocks them as they succumb to the formula's effects, with Lani burning to death from the inside and technician Brec transforming into another monster. When Xander confronts Erswick, Erswick tortures and kills him with a Tesla coil. He then commands the monster to capture the survivor, Jason, for further experimentation.

Mine:

• The Last Lamia: Dr. Theodore Erswick is the sociopathic leader of Avatech's Project Ascension. After forming a Faustian deal with a tribe of Lamias, Erswick has them kidnapped from their beds at night to conduct excessive experiments and Electric Torture on them, then wipes their memories so that his pact can remain intact. Erswick would later gleefully murder off all the Lamias when instructed, and when he comes across the dying Lamia, Sovereign, he tortures her by shooting her repeatedly, then burns her alive for his amusement. Erswick would later conduct horrific and torturous experiments on innocent people, killing them or transforming them into mindless monsters in constant agony. When Rebel leader Xander makes a deal with Erswick to save his sister, Erswick betrays him and instead injects all four members of the rebel group with an experimental formula, with Lani burning to death from the inside and technician Brec transforming into another monster as a result.

Warhammer's having another reboot? Eh, I'm not opposed to Age of Sigmar. There needs to be some hope or it's impossible to care and the Age of Sigmar setting is more hopeful; the heroes, while flawed, are still good, and they actually have the power to hold back darkness so it doesn't feel pointless.

But yes, Mannfred is only really in possession of redeeming qualities in Josh Reynold's Age of Sigmar stuff. I personally liked it but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

Kalb

@The10th Geek yes, several times actually

Edited by nwotyzal on Sep 29th 2022 at 3:31:19 AM