Is this tropeworthy/Chairs?

How many Curtains Match the Window are Elemental Hair Colors + Elemental Eye Colors?

Edited by Malady on May 5th 2023 at 10:24:37 AM

To me, "a tool that's used to create a memorable design" sounds much like a trope to me.

Re: "Does that mean that Alliterative Name is not tropeworthy either?"

It has its own separate thread here. People had different opinions on whether it's tropeworthy or not, so I don't think it's the best comparison.

yeah, maybe not, then. to me a trope has some kind of deeper statement to it than just creating a memorable design, even if it's as small as like, "a hot-blooded character has red hair because we associate red with passion and energy". i don't think an alliterative name or having matching hair and eye colors inherently says anything in that way. i figure that's kind of the reason we've been cleaning up the appearance tropes... but maybe that's just me

Tropes don't have to have deeper meaning. There are plenty of Spectacle tropes that don't. They just have serve some sort of purpose. Being distinctive or not existing in real life is enough for some tropes.

Also, the trope is supposed to be matching unusual hair and eye color being distinctive and eye catching so ordinary colors like black and brown shouldn't count.

You Gotta Have Blue Hair isn't exactly chairs but other tropes covered and World of Technicolor Hair is settings based version of it.

Edited by MacronNotes on May 5th 2023 at 12:07:28 PM

I previously assumed Blue Blood was a trope about nobles being snobbish and elitists, but now that I read the page it reads like "noble class exists in the setting". Am I wrong? And if not is that enough to be tropeworthy?

I would say any class system existing in a work usually exists for the sake of commenting on it and contrasting with other characters of various rank.

And if a character is mentioned as an aristocrat it usually informs characterization (eg. went to great schools, has snooty parents, can’t marry anyone “beneath” them, etc)

Double Post, but — Disabled Love Interest?

Funny you mention that. Over in the Wick Check thread, mightymewtron mentioned wanting to do a wick check for that trope a while back, and I recently pinged her to ask if I could do it. She said I could (and offered help), so I'm planning to make that my next project after Nature Is Not a Toy.

Indeed, there is concern about tropeworthiness—which is what will be checked.

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on May 9th 2023 at 11:10:00 AM

Probably very close to Delicate and Sickly where one character takes care of another who has issues taking care of themselves.

Wheelchair Woobie is probably an even more blunt "X but disabled".

Edited by Amonimus on May 9th 2023 at 6:06:51 PM

I've heard of Wheelchair Woobie having tropeworthiness problems. Maybe that'll be my next project after Disabled Love Interest.

I don't see it as such. Creators making someone disabled for tragedy is a thing that disabled people constantly criticize and are tired of seeing. No, not Dream-Crushing Handicap. It's called "the tragically disabled character".

It needs to be redefined about the stereotype/(mis)representation rather than being another "X but woobiefied." Therefore, "it needs help" but it's not completely non-tropeworthy. I've said the same thing about Disabled Love Interest being a valid trope but it needs some requirements/tightening up.

Read the following articles, "The tragically disabled" trope: article 1 and 2, and "disabled female lover" (bc 90% of them are women) from the third paragraph.

It's not "wheelchair, but woobiefied", it's "being in a wheelchair means that you're meant to find them tragic". In otherwords, it's what you're talking about.

Oh I’m autistic myself, I’m well aware of the stereotype. When I wick check it I’ll keep this in mind.

Is Wheelchair Woobie specific to wheelchairs or does it cover all disabilities?

Hmm, maybe Wheelchair Woobie just needs a description improvement if the wick check doesn't come up with something. I think we got the "woobie but disabled" from the poorly written laconic.

All kinds of disabilities. It's in the last paragraph.

Edited by selkies on May 9th 2023 at 10:44:13 AM

"This trope is NOT reserved for examples involving wheelchairs; any meaningful disability works. The important thing is that the character's Woobie status be directly tied to them suffering from whatever it is (either with respect to how they got that way or how it is affecting their life)."

...I will bet actual money that most of the wicks you check are going to revolve around the wheelchair specifically.

Is Amusement Park just "X happens in an amusement park"?

The name is chairsy, but the description talks about how the various attractions can enhance events.

yup. there's a LOT of place tropes that are just "things happen at x place" or "x place shows up in a plot". I think there are specific plot tropes buried in all of these tropes, but they mostly are filled with chairs-y examples that have 0 pattern except for the place appearing in that scene and/or encourage those kinds of examples because of their names.

Edited by amathieu13 on May 9th 2023 at 7:24:02 AM

Just because a trope revolves about a type of location doesn't mean it's chairs. Amusement parks are a popular setting in fiction, and are usually portrayed in different ways. Obviously, "[X] work has an amusement park" is a ZCE, but that's why context is important to begin with. Which characters go to that park? What story developes while they're there? Was it built by someone familiar to them? Is is there where the Big Bad is hiding? Things like that.

I mean, we've got things like Amusement Park of Doom. The problem is that the trope in question literally just seems to be "amusement parks". Generously I'd guess it's maybe meant to be one trope encompassing all of the other possible ones as internal subtropes, but even that doesn't really work.

Location / Setting tropes are chairs-y when they're not meaningful. I haven't encountered ZCEs yet (the trope is broad so the examples being about anything to do with amusement parks isn't surprising but they all provide context) but like amathieu said none of the examples document anything noteworthy. So what if the final battle happened in an amusement park, or a Love Confession took place in an amusement arcade, or a murder scene happened in a hospital? We're more interested in what this says about the location that makes it noteworthy. Amusement parks are, for example, typical/ideal locations for romantic dates. Maybe the trope can be tightened up to "amusement parks make for great locations for epic confrontations" like the description implies and rename it.