Old Magnificent Bastard thread
Welcome to the Magnificent Bastard proposal thread! This is the thread where new Magnificent Bastard examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential mitigating features will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the MB subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
- If you are the first person to downvote a candidate, please provide an explanation of why when you do so. We're here for discussions above all, and a hit-and-run downvote doesn't facilitate anything.
- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite MB" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from other parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for MB equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, their goals and methodology, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some characters, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
How are they Magnificent?
This is the point where you highlight the character's brilliance. How to they convey their intelligence and charm to the audience? What makes them stand out among the crowd? What are their goals and how do they go about accomplishing them? This part welcomes a lot of creative thinking — not everyone has to be a Machiavellian Diabolical Mastermind to be worth considering here! This is also the time to showcase how the character can think on their feet if it's necessary.
How are they a Bastard? How are they not too bad?
What kinds of moral lines is this character willing to cross for the sake of their goal? Are they willing to let innocents die? Start wars? Commit crimes? The character has to show some kind of unscrupulousness in order to count as a "Bastard". Notably, this character does not necessarily have to be the villain, and an Anti-Hero can cross the line if they're immoral enough, but they have to be immoral somehow.
This is also the section where you then state your case for why they're not too bad. Perhaps their good intentions help mitigate their crimes. Perhaps others are shown to be much worse than them. Perhaps they're prone to Pet the Dog moments or are even fighting on behalf of loved ones. Whatever the case, there are certain lines that an MB can't cross, but as long as their villainy is reasonable for their goal, they can be considered.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:40:56 AM
The Dragon
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Paul
Yes to the film version of Paul Atreides to match his book counterpart.
I've got a candidate now that I've been wanting to do for a while, but I put it off until now to time it up with the discussion we'll be having in a day or so.
I'm sure everyone here has seen or at least heard of the hit superhero animated series Invincible, which recently ended it's second season. Starring a young hero named Mark Grayson, aka Invincible, who sought to follow in his father Nolan Grayson's, aka Omni-Man, footsteps until he discovered his father was the vanguard of an alien race of powerful conquerors called the Viltrumites. Everything goes down hill from there.
Now, my effort post will be a character from the Invincible comics the was adapted into the popular animated series. This character had a brief introduction in the second season, but he quickly began to set up the Myth Arc that would shape the rest of the story. Introducing now, arguably the Big Good of the comics and voiced by Optimus Prime himself in the animation...
Who is Thaedus?
Thaedus was once a proud member of the Viltrumite Empire until he became disgusted by his people using their immense power to become intergalactic conquerors. Thaedus assassinated Viltrumite Emperor Argall and plunged the Empire into a vicious civil war in which the Viltrumites slaughtered half their own race to cull the weak. Thaedus himself went into hiding and gathered an alliance of worlds threatened by the Empire and formed the Coalition of Planets to wage war against his people for millennia. He devoted all his time to working with the various alien races in the Coalition to create weapons to use against his people and wasn't afraid to do some unsavory things to ensure victory.
One such instance was authorizing a eugenics program for the Unopan alien race to create a super soldier powerful enough to stand up to the Empire, but this ultimately failed when the only success, Allen, proved strong but not enough to stand against a Viltrumite. Desperate for salvation against the Empire, Thaedus used his own blood to mastermind a specialized virus called the Scourge that he hoped would severely weaken any Viltrumite exposed to it. His Scourge Virus proved far more effective that he could have predicted. The virus wiped out the vast majority of the Viltrumite race and the resultant genocide left only around 50 individuals left by the current events of the comic. While it wasn't his first intention, Thaedus felt little regret in the end result and didn't hesitate to make the virus even deadlier should he ever feel the need to wipe out his race for good.
By the modern events of the comics, Thaedus used Allen as an ambassador to other worlds that could join the Coalition. By accident, Allen came to Earth and learned Mark was half Viltrumite and rebelled against his father Nolan and the Empire, something Thaedus was intrigued to learn as he believed he was the only Viltrumite ever to rebel. After Allen is later left on the brink of death by a Viltrumite squad seeking information on Mark and Nolan, Thaedus pieces together that there must be a spy in the Coalition and secretly meets with a recovered Allen who become much stronger after surviving near death as a result of the breeding program that created him. Thaedus reveals to Allen that he is a Viltrumite and send him to recruit Invincible for the war effort.
While Allen fails to bring back Mark, he does one better by springing an also rebelling Nolan from a Viltrumite prison and brings him to Thaedus. Working with Nolan, Thaedus sends him and Allen out on a secret mission to find many different beings and weapons powerful enough to kill a Viltrumite to use in their war. Allen and Nolan go on a series of adventures to retrieve various powerful allies, and Thaedus ultimately reveals to Nolan he created the Scourge Virus and created an even deadlier strain to use as a last resort. With his newfound allies and secret weapons assembled, Thaedus launches a surprise attack against the Empire and begins the Viltrumite War arc in earnest. The war begins well as Thaedus recruits new planets to the Coalition and incites worlds to rebel against the Empire. During a Viltrumite attack on the Coalition home world Talescria, Thaedus leads the during the battle and exposes the traitor. He sends Mark and his half brother Oliver to destroy the Viltrumite's ship and sends the Empire on the retreat back to Viltrum itself.
Thaedus turns the remaining conquered worlds of the Empire over to side of the Coalition and assembled a crack team of powerful warriors to assault Viltrum quickly assault the Viltrumites while they regrouped rather than wait to amass a fleet of ships. The elite squad did battle with the dozens of remaining Viltrumites and killed several of them until their current leader emerged on the battlefield. In the wake of Argall's death, the mightiest remaining Viltrumite Thragg took on the title of Grand Regent to lead the Empire. He sure earns his title by absolutely stomping both Mark and Nolan during the battle, and Thaedus comes up with a final devastating plan to ensure victory. He orders their ally Space Racer to fire his planet destroying gun to punch a hole into Viltrum's core. Thaedus, Nolan, and Mark then race together at their maximum speed to punch a hole straight through Viltrum and destroy the entire planet. Thaedus offered the surviving Viltrumites a chance to surrender, but Thragg, filled with rage and sorrow at the death of his world, charges Thaedus and decapitates him with a single strike.
Although he ultimately dies, Thaedus wins out in the end as the Viltrumites are forced to abandon their interstellar empire and retreat to Earth in an attempt to repopulate. With a Dead Man's Switch, Thaedus gives a final message to Allen, the new leader of the Coalition, and informs him of the improved Scourge Virus and tells him in no uncertain terms that he shouldn't hesitate to use it should the Viltrumites ever rise again.
Is he magnificent?
Thaedus proves to be a brilliant leader and tactician that leads an effort to fight back against an entire race of super beings seeking to conquer the universe. His rap sheet includes all but wiping out his enemies and destroying their home world all the while ensuring that victory by finding a variety of weaknesses to exploit against them.
Is he a bastard?
While overall the Big Good, Thaedus proves to be a Well-Intentioned Extremist who does some unsavory things to achieve victory. Between assassinations and eugenics programs, it's hard not to call the Scourge Virus as anything other than bastardly even if the ones it's used against are some measure of Asshole Victim.
What gives the above a measure of shady morality is that the comic goes out of its way to humanize the Viltrumites later on and present them more as misguided than truly evil. Of course, there's also the simple fact that he made the Virus even stronger to guaranteed wipe out the Viltrumites despite knowing full well he himself, the redemption seeking Nolan, and the fully heroic Mark would die as well.
Final verdict?
I'm saying an easy to the comics incarnation of Thaedus, though I'm sure down the line the animated version will easily qualify as well.
Thaedus
I was actually thinking of trying to propose him.
to Paul Atreides, Thaedus, and the Kingpin quote.
Not the Eye
Paul, Thaedus and Kingpin quote
Goku Black
paul Atreides and Thaddeus
for Thaedus.
Jogo
Thaedus and Kingpin quote.
The Dragon
to comics!Thaedus. I had the honor of meeting Peter Cullen a few weeks ago. Very nice man.
Edited by TiMBer1566 on Apr 17th 2024 at 1:05:57 PM
to Paul and Thaedus
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nice to hear
I’ll take a potato chip… and EAT IT!
Paul and Thaedus
The MILF Virus
Here's an interesting one. Nobody expect one in Urban Reign, but I found someone. We'll talk about Shun-Ying.
Setting:
Urban Reign is a beat'em up from the Playstation 2. It's about the main character Brad Hawk keeping peace in Green Harbor when a number of suspicious incidents happened. Kidnapping of a gang member led to massive gang war between Dwight's gang and China Town who has sent Brad Hawk to stop it. They had no clue it led to a bigger incident between a military force and a Yakuza/Triad invasion.
This was the machination of Mayor Borgen, to control the city using the invasions and riots to bring more power. If my next candidate wasn't around he would've succeed, sadly he underestimate her and ruthless thinking, leading to his downfall. My candidate is the leader of China Town and mission control of the game, Shun-Ying.
Who is Shun-Ying and what does she do?
The head of China Town, Shun-Ying was the one to hire Brad Hawk to stop the inciting gang war after she was framed for the kidnapping, having planned already how to stop it. Planning to lure Dwight out in the open, Shun-Ying had Brad Hawk stop Dwight's key operation and defeat his key fighters to keep panicking, having him use psychological, mental, and physical warfare on him. Able to stop Dwight's rampage, Shun-Ying always kept in mind the original kidnappers hoping to find them, figuring them out when they showed up Dwight's defeat.
Gathering his group, hers, and other fighters, Shun-Ying led a counter resurgence to overcome the invaders planning operations to defeat them. Joining the fight, Shun-Ying had no issue getting her hands dirty, putting herself in the line of fire, spearheading team-ups for the groups to follow. Keeping up with the attacks, Shun-Ying manage to defeat the army, isolating key members, strategically ambushing leaders, using others as examples to keep down the resistance, and deliberately putting key fighters in danger to bail them and get them to join her group.
When the Yakuza then next appeared joining her brother and a splinter China Town group, Shun-Ying manage to hold and overthrow them too. Setting her conflict with Lin Fong, and later proving Borgen was responsible, she used to lead to his downfall. Beating the Mayor and protecting Green Harbor, Shun-Ying maintains her new force to protect the town from future attacks, leading it herself.
Magnificence:
The leader of China Town, Ying is responsible for keeping peace between the gangs, having come up with the plan to stop the gang riots, and later invasions, being the one to keep pulse of happenings and how to deal with it. The end is her reuniting most of Green Harbor's best fighters to fight back and maintain peace, stopping every movement of Bordin planned.
Her own time she was able to overthrow Dwayne, stronger gang leader, having kept him in like with Brad Hawk by tearing down his operation in her brilliant scheming. Game's story isn't the most fleshed out, but the briefing shows Shin-Ying as a calculating ruthless mastermind maintaining order.
Is she too evil?
She's the peace keeper of Green Harbor, controlling the gang wars and invaders sent by Mayor Bordin, who does't hesitate to do what she needs to keep it. Fighting violence with violence isn't seemingly bad enough, but she has no issue using psychological damage. Having a gang leader's legs broken to be made a example, letting other fighters nearly die to maintain loyalty, and other ruthless tactics.
She does it to control a bigger threat, but it's still ruthless. Remember she's a gang leader too, so she has no problem breaking the laws to her means, but maintains a sence of honor.
Final Verdict:
I must say solid keep, not the most expected but she works.
"Are you the devil?" "Don't compare to me to those small fry" - Mir
OK, I can see Paul counting, but there's a couple things that make me hesitate on him.
- First, he blackmails Irulan into marrying him by saying if she doesn't, he'll kill her father the Emperor. He isn't actually attracted to her and it's all politics, but that's still at least dancing on the line of the "no sexpests" rule to me.
- Second, when Chani deserts him (unlike the book), the last we see of Paul in the movie is him wearing a look of utter defeat on his face. He gained the whole galaxy, but it was totally not worth it as he lost the person he did actually care about.
Yes to Paul, and I'll go to bat with him on the first count at least: There is no intention to sexually abuse Irulan there (In the books it's even made explicit that he never had a sexual relationship with her even after their marriage became steadier) and we have had candidates force marriages before. It's fine as long as they don't intend to assault the marriage partner, and this case makes it clear Paul has no intent to.
As for the latter... it's not a perfect victory but he won. MB characters are definitely allowed to have flaws and imperfect victories.
Edited by Riley1sCool on Apr 17th 2024 at 7:12:36 AM
Yeah as I said the film definitely frames him as a very dark figure and really does go over the dangers of Messianic Figures, and it is clearly meant to highlight what he has sacrificed in pursuit of power/revenge. But I maintain that there's still enough awe with his rise for him to count.
I also agree with Riley on the first point. He's I feel not currently crossing any lines that would disqualify him.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Paul
So it's been 2 weeks since the final season of Alex Rider came out, so here we go
The work
Alex Rider (2020) is an adaptation of the Alex Rider book series, following Alex Rider, a British teenager who gets entangled into the dangerous world of spies working with the Department and has to deal with the sinister Nebulous Evil Organization SCORPIA, who commit terrorism for hire.
Now Alex gets involved in the first place because of the mysterious death of his uncle Ian and he learns that Ian was an agent for the Department and he was murdered, with his murderer being Yassen Gregorivich.
Who is Yassen Gregorivich and what has he done
Yassen Gregorivich is a Russian assassin working for Scorpia, who has history with Alex's family.
Years ago Yassen went through Malagosto, a Scorpia training facility and became a field agent, mentored by Alex's father John Rider, who he became frequent partners with.
Back when Yassen was young and inexperienced the two were on a mission to assassinate an Arms Dealer Yassen nearly blew the mission and got used as a shield by the dealer's bodyguard, with John saving Yassen's life by shooting the guard while grazing Yassen's face, leaving him a scar from that, but also a deep respect for the man.
John eventually got captured and "killed" by the Department while Yassen became one of Scorpia's best agents.
Season 1
Scorpia is contracted to help provide security by the season's villain Dr. Greif and his academy Point Blanc, with Yassen being tasked to make sure nobody gets suspicious of the place.
First Yassen assassinates Michael Roscoe, a multimillionaire that had sent his son to Point Blance and found Parker's behavior suspicious afterwards by using a hologram projector to trick him into falling into an empty elevator shaft to his death.
Yassen learns through a mole in the Department, Martin Wilby that Ian Rider is beginning to investigate Point Blanc, and so he has Martin lead Ian into a trap, where Yassen apologizes to Ian before he kills him.
Yassen leaves fake evidence to make it look like he was assassinated by North Korea as a retaliation for helping some defectors earlier, which the Department only doesn't buy due to some tiny clues left behind by Ian.
Yassen keeps an eye on the situation to see if they bought it, and though Wilby tells him that they did, Yassen hacks the laptop camera in Wilby's apartment and sees them bugging the place and learns that they know at least something is up, and goes after Wilby.
Yassen finds Wilby trying to flee and when Wilby tries to negoiate saying he's found some interesting info Yassen kills him anyway and takes a photo he had on him.
That photo is of Alex and his friend Tom Harris, and Yassen runs a check on it to see that Alex is in Point Blanc under the name Alex Friend, while Yassen recognizes Alex as John's son.
Yassen goes to Point Blanc and gives Greif the picture without telling him who Alex actually is, saying that they're not partners to Greif and leaves, coming across Alex and having a brief, mysterious conversation with him.
As Greif's operation begins to fall apart Yassen begins tying up loose ends from Greif's stuff and starts killing off his men, with Yassen killing Greif himself and he's been arrested by the stalling the car he's being transported in right as it's in a camera dead spot and attaching a device that sends neurotoxin into the car's air filter, before Yassen kills the last member of Greif's crew, a clone he had made of Alex right as the clone is about to kill the real Alex, saving his life.
Season 2
Time passes and Scorpia is contracted by billionaire Damian Cray for his scheme to hijack America's nuclear launch codes to nuke several countries to destroy the world's drug supply, With Yassen again being the guy they send to help.
First Cray has Yassen try to assassinate Ed Pleasance, a journalist who had an inside source into Craystar, so Yassen goes in disguised as a telecom worker and plants a bomb inside his house, making it look like a gas leak and Ed only survives because Alex manages to run in and save him in time, though Ed is left in a coma.
Next Cray has Yassen go after Smoking Mirror, a hacker that Cray previously hired to hack the Pentagon and steal the launch codes since he's backed out and might lead people to Cray's plan.
Yassen finds the hacker hideout he was in, kills everyone there and destroys the computers he was working on before following him to a warehouse where Smoking Mirror was meeting with Alex. Yassen kills Mirror and starts chasing after Alex, with Alex only surviving because he shows who he really is, causing Yassen to stop and let him escape.
As the time for Cray's plan comes close and the Department are worried for Cray, believing him to be a target and that Scorpia is going to use his upcoming meeting with the President as chance to assassinate her, Yassen frames Cray's innocent head of security Sean Palmer as being paid off to help the assassination to draw away suspicion.
Right as Cray's plan is about to begin, Alex steals an important piece of his plan, so Cray has Alex's friend Sabina abducted to get Alex to give it back, which Alex does. Cray orders Alex and Sabina killed anyway but Yassen objects, when Cray askes why Yassen convinces him to keep them as hostages in case something goes wrong.
Yassen goes with Cray to fulfill his plan, faking a chemical spill to get the airfield around Air Force One evacuated while Cray's men take the jet, while Alex sneaks aboard and frees Sabina.
Yassen helps Cray take the plane's military command room so Cray can use it to order the missile strikes while Cray sends him off to investigate a disturbance created by Sabina, letting Alex come in there and fight Cray and his goons. Yassen goes rushing back only for him to get him by a ricocheting bullet, causing to fall to the ground injured.
Cray gets the upper hand on Alex and is about to kill him when Yassen shoots and kills him.
Alex confronts Yassen and askes if he's gonna kill him and Yassen tells him no and offers Alex his gun. Alex takes it but doesn't kill him while Yassen tells Alex he was friends with his father, that he was one of them and if he wants to know the truth about him he should seek out the Widow.
As Alex focuses on stopping the launch, Yassen survives his injuries and escapes, unlike the books.
Season 3
Alex takes Yassen words to heart and sets out to find the Widow, Julia Rothman theleader of Scorpia and he finds her and she tells him all about his father and convinces him to join Scorpia, bringing in Yassen to mentor him.
Yassen trains Alex and he's skilled but when shows compassion and a reluctance to kill, Yassen tells him to let go of his emotions, that they'll only get in his way, while at the same time keeping Julia's dragon Nile in check with his more brutal training methods.
Eventually Julia sends Alex on a real mission with Yassen, ostensibly to rob a mansion, but in truth it belongs to another Scorpia executive Max Grendel, who objected to Julia's plan of operation Invisible Sword.
Yassen talks to Max and offers to let him finish his drink first, and when Max says no Yassen shoots him. Alex is horrified he helped Yassen break in and murder a guy while Yassen tells him that this is what the mission was really about, to get Alex used to the idea of killing people.
After this Julia tells Alex that his old handler Mrs. Jones was the one who ordered John to be killed and tasks Alex and Yassen with killing her. Yassen and Alex come up with a plan to get Alex into her apartment, with Yassen hiring a doctor to disguise Alex's face after Alex talks to some of his friends who talked to the Department and put an alert out for him.
Their plan works and gets Alex into Jones' apartment but Alex can't go through with killing her, but the Department make sure to send a body bag with a fake coroner's report while showing Alex being dragged away in custody.
Yassen reports in that while Alex did kill Jones, he was captured and Yassen tries to talk Julia into letting him rescue Alex, only for Julia to reveal that she never wanted truly recruit Alex, she wanted him with her to watch him die during Invisible Sword and she reveals that John was never truly a member of Scorpia, he was a mole from the Department and he faked his death during the hostage exchange.
Yassen has enough of her and deliver a "Reason You Suck" Speech on how this whole scheme is nothing but an elaborate revenge plot, that she broke Scorpia's biggest rule: don't make it personal and she's threatening the whole organization for her revenge, and so he leaves her to her plot, which Alex foils, Julia dies in the process and the evidence the Department get from her computer let them fully destroy Scorpia for good.
The final scene of the show has Nile, who survived the fiasco lining up a shot on Alex, only for Yassen to come up and kill him first. Alex sees Yassen on the roof before Yassen puts his gun down and walks away.
Magnificence
Yassen is a stoic, Affably Evil fellow who is always in control of himself while being polite, such as apologizing to Ian for killing him or offering to let Max finish his drink first. He's also a good Evil Mentor to Alex, helping him get through training while nearly corrupting him into joining Scorpia through his advice.
He's also a skilled assassin, with him operating largely on his own volition most of the time who's plans either working or only failing to stuff he couldn't have known about, like with framing North Korea for Ian's murder.
Yeah, in the past he wasn't as good, but all we get is one flashback of him as a rookie and in the present he's very competent and one of the best Scorpia has.
Bastardness
Yassen is a remorseless assassin that works for terrorists for hire, killing numerous people in his work and helping dangerous villains in their schemes.
But Yassen doesn't do anything horrible himself, his worst crimes is killing a couple of people compared to multiple mass-murderers Yassen is not too evil.
Conclusion
Easy keeper
REALITY IS AN ILLUSION, THE UNIVERSE IS A HOLOGRAM, BUY GOLD BYEEEE! | She/Her
for Yassen Gregorivitch.
Goku Black
Yassen and Shun-Ying
Jogo
Shun-Ying and Yassen
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Kaguragi
Edited by jlvs200s on Apr 18th 2024 at 9:43:25 PM
"Stand proud, Sukuna, you are strong." | He/Him
First: to Paul Atreides, Thaedus, Shun-Ying and Yassen.
Second: there is the second King-Ohger candidate!
What is the work?
Ohsama Sentai King-Ohger is the 47th entry in the Super Sentai franchise and the fourth series to start in the Reiwa Era.
Two thousand years in the past, on the world of Tikyu, a band of champions united to vanquish and exile the subterranean menace, the Underground Empire Bug Naraku, to the depths of the planet through the intervention of their divine protector, the legendary King-Ohger. Following their victory, the heroes went their separate ways, with five of them founding the kingdoms of Shugodom, Nkosopa, Ishabana, Gokkan, and Tofu, respectively. However, a prophecy soon emerged, foretelling the inevitable return of Bug Naraku.
Fast forward to the present, fifteen years following a cataclysmic event dubbed the Wrath of God, the rulers of the respective kingdoms attempted to forge an alliance. Yet their efforts are interrupted in the face of the Bug Naraku's assault on Shugodom, orchestrated by Abyss King, who decreed a genocidal campaign against the humans of Tikyu.
And at the forefront of this crisis is our candidate today.
Who is the character?
Kaguragi Dybowski/Hachi Ohger is the Lord of Tofu, the land of agriculture, who inherited his position after leading a rebellion against his mentor and the previous ruler of the kingdom, the seemingly despotic Iroki.
What does he do?
Once a humble farmer, Kaguragi was invited to become the student of Iroki to learn how to govern Tofu once she steps downs, believing an honest guy like him would never betray her. Things change during the Fury of the Gods event, where Iroki hordes the food supply of Toufu, leaving her subjects to starve during such a crisis. However, when Kaguragi goes to confront her, it is revealed that the food of Tofu has been posion of the instigater of the Fury of the Gods, and if this were to get out, the country's reputation would ruined, leading to its fall. So, Iroki pulls an Zero-Approval Gambit that paints her an a tyrant, encourging Kaguragi to cut her down himself to help assert the lie to the world, before being force to burn herself to death when Kaguragi can't go through it.
Completely traumatized and changed by the event, Kaguragi took the throne of Tofu and for the next fifteen years, ruling over his kingdom with prosperiously until the return of the Bognaarok. There, he joins all of the rulers of the five kingdoms to come together to fight off the invasion just as Gira enters the scene and obtains Shuggoddamn's Ohger Calibur. It is during this time that it is revealed that Kaguragi has been working with Rcules behind everyone's back under the threat of his little sister, Suzume, who is engaged to Rcules at this point, getting harmed in anyway. However, it is revealed that he and Suzume has been working together to find a way to undermine Rcules, leading to Kaguragi finding and obtaining the Ohger Crown Lance under Rcules' nose, which he gives to Gira, leading to him winning the duel with Rcules and obtaining the throne of Shugoddamn.
He and Suzume later uses the knowledge they obtain working around Rcules to learn the secrets of Caucasus Kabuto and prevent the destruction of Tikyu.
Two years later, Kaguragi returns from jail to lead his nation once more during the Galactinsects invasion and after the Kingohgers return from Earth, as the Kingohgers work to take back their kingdoms, Kaguragi gets into contact with a still alive Rcules behind the scenes, now known as Shugo Mask, and begins working with him once again, first by helping orchestrate the destruction of one of the Galacincests, Goma Rosalia, so that Rcules can get closer to Dugded, leader of the Galacinsects. Afterwards, Kaguragi tricks Gira into giving up the Ohger Crown Lance so he can give it to Rcules and defeat Gira in a fight, leading to Dugded getting tricked into giving up the power to destory immortals, leading to his first death.
Later on, during the second Fury of the Gods, Kaguragi uses the illegal subterranean tiller system "The Ant-Eater" - the thing he got arrested for at the beginning of the timeskip - to help bring over all of the citizens of Tikyu to the Bognaarok safely before helping bring the destruction of Grodie.
After the citizens of Tikyu return to help the monarchs end the threat of Dagded despite the kings' original plan of sending their citizens away, Kaguragi then goes on to personally contribute to the destruction of the Galactinsect King once and for all, ending the series with embracing the the the borders between the kingdoms being done away and leading Tofu into a new future as one kingdom.
Is he magnificent?
Yep. Played by a very compelling and charismatic Sō Kaku, Kaguragi is a Lovable Traitor personified, being the most politically savvy of the Kingohgers who manages to succeed in most of the plans and schemes he forms. Despite any hiccups that may come about, he manages to maneuver his way around most of them thanks to being such a The Social Expert and clever thinker, with all of his allies finding reliable precisely because of his two-faced nature.
Is he a bastard? While a hero, he is probably the most blantant example of an Manipulative Bastard that's apart of a Sentai team. He has repeatedly stated that he'll dirty his hands black if it means protecting his people and has meant it, given how much stuff he has gotten up too behind everyone's back. That's not to mention how utterly shameless of a liar he is to everyone who isn't closest to him.
However, he is still very much a hero. #37 REALLY does contextlize Kaguragi's current personality and worldview since he feels like he "betrayed" his mentor Iroki. No to mention, he very much cares alot about Suzume, his little sister, and treats his right hand Kuroda as a close friend and confident. He also views the rest of the Kingohgers as his True Companions despite how much they clash.
Conclusion I think he counts. What about you guys?
Edited by TrueChaos on Apr 18th 2024 at 3:28:00 AM
for Shun-Ying and Kaguragi Dybowski.
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