Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
Outside of this process, we do have a few ground rules:
- To keep the thread moving at a reasonable pace, there are some restrictions on when a proposal can be made. There should only be a maximum of four EPs posted both per page and per hour to ensure that nothing gets lost in the shuffle; additionally, each individual troper should only be proposing or writing up characters from a maximum of three works at a time (from initial proposals to end of their voting period). If your proposal would fall outside of either of these guidelines, we'd like to ask you to please wait until they would fit within; feel free to type them up on an outside document, and then when the time comes, you can just copy, paste, and post!
- No plagiarism of any kind. This is a very serious matter site-wide, as the website could get in actual legal trouble over this; as a result, this can very quickly lead to mod intervention. This can take many different forms:
- Direct plagiarism, i.e. wholesale copying. This is not only the easiest to find, but is also the most likely to warrant quick moderator intervention. To be clear, quoting in some places is perfectly acceptable, but it has to be very clear you're quoting from something else and it cannot be anything longer than a sentence or two - if you're quoting an entire work summary from Wikipedia, no one is going to believe you've actually consumed the work, so even if you cite your source, your candidate will be downvoted anyway.
- Self-plagiarism. Even if you can prove that you wrote the same text in both places, the site itself can't contain any of the duplicated text. If you already wrote something once before, it's not too hard to write it a second time.
- Using another site's work as a template for a proposal. Just because you don't copy and paste something directly doesn't mean it's any harder to detect if you're basing parts or all of your proposal on text someone else wrote. To be clear, this doesn't violate site rules and won't lead to mod intervention, but just like if you directly plagiarize, no one will believe you've consumed the work if you're clearly basing your proposal on something else. This thread largely operates on the honor system, and tweaking someone else's work to pass it off as your own is one of the fastest ways to lose trust.
- Votes must be for specific candidates, meaning no blanket voting (i.e. "yes to everyone I missed").
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- If a work is already reserved by another user, please don't comment on the work or any potential characters worth discussion before the discussion date. We know how exciting it is when a work has a keeper that you're waiting to talk about, but it's not fair to the person who reserved the work who is just as excited to lead the discussion to see the discussion getting spoiled before they get to do it. On the other hand, if the reservation only has one name attached, shoot them a PM - they may be down for a collaboration, which will get you in on the fun as well!
- Please keep the thread on-topic. While discussing the trope is fun and we encourage people to enjoy it, questions like "who's your favorite CM" are off-topic and can lead to thumps. That's the kind of question to take to people's PMs if they're willing. Similarly, while we encourage friendliness and familiarity with other users, posts should always have some kind of thread-relevant purpose; for instance, if you want to wish someone a happy birthday, feel free to, but if it's the only thing in the post, it's off-topic and needs something else alongside it. Again, though, while we strive for a friendly atmosphere, this is not Facebook; life updates are fun, but unless they have some kind of impact on your thread participation, please do not bring it here - we have Yack Fest for that.
- Please refrain from asking anything along the lines of "How Did We Miss This One?" In almost every case, the answer is simply "No one thought about it before". This Is a Wiki where everyone has different interests, and the fact that people missed a particular candidate, even one that seems like a textbook example of a trope or a character who is particularly iconic in pop culture, means absolutely nothing. The question is disruptive, has a simple and consistent answer, and provides nothing to any discussion.
- If you are suspended from parts of the website, it is still possible to participate!
- For users who are suspended from editing the wiki, you still have full access to this thread. You can propose candidates and write them up with no issues whatsoever; while you will have to ask someone else to post the entry to the relevant pages once it is done, all write-ups are considered thread-approved - as in, done by consensus - and thus doing so does not violate any rules regarding meatpuppeting.
- If you are suspended from the forums, your participation is limited but not impossible. It is still possible for a forum-suspended user to assist in creating the write-up for a character who has already been approved; as previously mentioned, write-ups are inherently considered a consensus-based edit and thus not tied to any one particular user. However, you can not assist in the proposal of a character; as a proposal is based around the forum rather than the wiki, doing so with a forum suspension qualifies as meatpuppeting.
- Please keep all discussions "in-house".
- What other wikis use for CM equivalents is irrelevant here.
- Please be wary of using other wikis, Fandom or otherwise, as sources of information. They are just as fallible as a site like Wikipedia in regards to accuracy because they can be edited by any user, just as this site can.
- Do not attempt to force a communication with an author in an attempt to gather evidence or settle a debate; besides the fact that this is a YMMV trope and thus author intent has variable weight depending on the circumstance, doing so may cross the line into drama exportation, which is prohibited site-wide.
If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
This is where any potential redeeming characteristics or tragic backstory should be discussed. Do they have a tragic past? Do they show that Even Evil Has Standards or Even Evil Has Loved Ones? Maybe a Pet the Dog moment or two? This is where these should be discussed in full. Not every potential redeeming moment is a clear-cut disqualifier, but we should hear of any potential issues to ensure the character is discussed in full.
Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
- The amount of time they have to work with (such as a one-shot character versus long-running antagonists)
- The quantity vs. quality of their crimes compared to others (someone with a lower victim count but far more visceral and personal crimes could be considered as equally bad overall as someone with a higher body count but less horror involved)
Essentially, this section is an analysis of the kinds of villainy shown in the work and an explanation of why this particular character's villainy stands out within it.
Final verdict?
This is where you post your final conclusion on the character in question. You can continue elaborating on your reasons or even just say a simple "yes" or "no"; at this point, we've heard everything we need to hear.
IMPORTANT NOTICE: This thread tackles very serious and dark matters on a daily basis. We will be discussing things like murder, rape, torture, human trafficking, crimes against children, and in particularly dark cases, several of these issues at the same time. We keep a lighthearted air, but all candidates carry the general assumption that these are awful individuals committing disgusting crimes. We ask that if you participate, you do so with the requisite seriousness such dark topics require; exclamations of how gross something is, whether serious or sarcastic, are disrespectful to the topics at hand, and if you cannot handle such topics, please do not participate.
And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Justice for Skywarp
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Inkoshi and Ashe
Just a head's up, I'm going to reserve Transformers (2023)
The Autobot Avatar
to Ashe and Inkoshi
Mr.
To Ashe, Inkoshi, and a man of wealth and taste!
Edited by GamerBoy18 on Jan 20th 2024 at 7:40:33 AM
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Alright here's a rather murky EP but hey YMMV. To help me gain another opinion to make sure I'm not thinking too much, Ravok also had a look at the character also for me (major thanks there bud) and concluded the same thoughts that an EP is at least worth it.
What is the work?
The Legend of Spyro: Dawn of the Dragon is the third entry in the Darker and Edgier trio of games within the Spyro franchise. After the the heroes ended trapped in crystal due to Gaul's lair collapsing around them — they're discovered by some of Malefor's new mooks (since he sort of condemned his previous army to a Fate Worse than Death), who have Spyro and Cynder magically chained to a device and used as gladiatorial entertainment. Throughout the hordes of Grublins that attack, you can see a vague shape moving in the burning abyss... a shape which reveals itself. Meet the Golem.
Who is the Golem and what has it done?
A beast from deep within the planet, the Golem was summoned by Malefor to aid him. The Golem rises from the burning mist and immediately attempts to kill the pair although is foiled when Hunter shoots it in the eye, forcing it to retreat. Throughout the whole of level 1, is relentless hunting the heroes, with unhinged fury when it just misses. During the level, it also loses an arm when it get's it stuck in a waterfall which causes it to snap off. The heroes manage to escape the catacombs and seemingly with the Golem trapped within.
After level 4, the heroes see Malefor's army retreating from the siege of Warfang, with the dragon elders arriving and attacking them. While the heroes are puzzled with why Malefor's army is retreating with an almost victory, they see the dragon elders retreat and spot the incredibly pissed Golem emerging from the flames. The Golem then burrows into the ground and tunnels to the city, bursting through the floor and immediately starts to lay waste to the city, creating itself a new arm from the rubble since it's old one got torn off.
Throughout level 5 we can see the Golem in the background laying waste to the city, with the main duo trying to reach it before it reaches where the inhabitants are sheltered. During the level also, you can see the Golem effortlessly dispose of the dragon elders when they try to intervene with it, leaving only Spyro and Cynder the only ones capable of fighting it with the risk of the whole city being destroyed otherwise. They fight the Golem as they scale a tower, with them ultimately shattering it's brain — causing the beast to fall off screaming with a resounding thud as it dies.
Mitigating Factors or Freudian Excuse?
Right here we go...
Agency: Golems are referred to as the "embodiment of destruction" by Hunter but we only ever see two Golem's in the game. This one and The Destroyer. The thing is though, it's said in game that The Destroyer's purpose is to destroy the world so it can bring upon a new one. The Destroyer as an entity though? Nowhere near the aggression and destructive malice the Golem brings and unlike The Destroyer, the Golem isn't mentioned to be confined to a purpose. So I think we're good?
It's rather vague with the only one mentioned to have a purpose — all that one does it walk across the planet to complete it's journey. And with The Destroyer, it seems to be more under Malefor's control as he revives it when it's seemingly dead (for reference its heart gets obliterated), the Golem doesn't showcase any form of that and once it dies, it stays dead.
So my other hurdle, Sapience. The Golem definitely demonstrates It Can Think so that's out of the way. And there's shots showing it's way more than a mindless beast. Thankfully due to it having a humanoid top half (in shape not design), it has it's moments where it acts way more than a monster, like it obviously roaring in anger when it's attempts to kill the heroes are foiled and it decides to use it's magic to construct a new arm from the rubble, with it looking at it's new creation. Another thing with it is that in some appearances it looks like it's grimacing a smile (such as one when it bursts through the ground to the city.) I'll procure some image references for you guys to see if that helps.
It staring at the city before it attacks with a pissed expression it's face.
To contrast it smiling when it bursts through.
It admiring it's newfound arm it had made.
Heinous Standard?
So Malefor and Gaul set a high bar (especially the former, no idea how you can waste Mark Hamill with a villain like that lmao) but the Golem? In it's scant appearance, is almost responsible for the death on an entire city and yeah the game does put enough weight on it, with the heroes noting that it's making it's way to the inhabitants, a dragon elder notes that the city is in flames and it's noted before it's final fight that if it's not stopped, it'll destroy everything. For a villain who's only appearance is two levels whereas the other two listed are: The Big Bad of the trilogy and a Physical God and the other is the leader of the main antagonistic force of the first two games with enough resources to have been waging war for years against the dragons... I think the Golem's fine.
Final Verdict?
Your call folks.
Edited by WetFlannels on Jan 20th 2024 at 4:53:46 PM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
Caesar
Yeah I'm good with the Golem, it doesn't talk but it's got facial expressions and personality galore in its body language and the nature of its agency isn't touched on enough for me to question it, yes there
- The Saint original stories:
- Dr. Rayt Marius, the Mystery Millionaire, is the closest thing the Saint ever had to an Arch-Enemy. An arms trafficker, war profiteer, murderous Bad Boss and veritable Diabolical Mastermind, Marius twice attempts to set off World War II so he can reap profits off of the death of millions. In his first meeting with the Saint, Marius manipulates the nationalistic ego of his country's Crown Prince in an effort to have him use a weapon of mass destruction called the "electron-cloud" against other countries. In contending with the Saint, Marius kidnaps and threatens his true love Patricia Holm, and then kills Norman Kent, one of the Saint's most loyal and virtuous companions. In his second attempt to set off global war, Marius takes to setting off tensions between countries in order to keep them at each other's throats, hoping to eventually spark this tension into an international conflict that will "drown Europe in smoking seas of blood." Here Marius attempts to kill the Saint and his gang; the Girl of the Week; his duped pawn, Sir Isaac; and all of Isaac's innocent household servants, all to ensure the smoothest possible execution of his evil plan. Even after his death, Marius sets his clients from his arms-trafficking business upon Simon as one last posthumous act of spite. Described by Simon as poisoning the world with every breath he takes, Dr. Marius was the very worst breed of criminal Simon ever fought in his decades-long career.
- "The Death Penalty": Abdul Osman is a lecherous, corpulent Middle Eastern crime lord responsible for the "ruin and degradation of more human lives" than can be imagined. Osman is the leader of a vice ring that stretches from Shanghai to Constantinople, dealing in everything from gambling dens, dope smuggling, and white slavery in miserable brothels. Osman cows a fellow crime lord named Galbraith Stride sheerly by being more vicious than him, unnerving Stride by casually offing a minion for outliving his usefulness, and later demanding Stride's stepdaughter as a sex slave as the price for Osman to stop blackmailing him. Osman also has a fancy for breaking people with horrible torture, usually favoring heroin withdrawal in combination with his whip; his "secretary" is a man named Clements who Osman broke so thoroughly than Clements is incapable of even killing himself, keeping Clements around to abuse whenever he sees fit.
- Prelude for War: Kane Luker was the only serious rival Rayt Marius ever had in the arms trafficking business, and one of the few villains in the original Charteris stories capable of matching the Mystery Millionaire in the sheer scale of his evil. A particularly icy and undiscriminating merchant of death, Luker gives armaments to both sides of bloody conflicts such as the Spanish revolution of 1934, while manipulating international concerns to keep them tense and on the edge of war. Luker plans to assassinate a prominent French politician and spark a bloody civil war in France, all in order to replace and purge the current government and replace it with a cabinet of fascists on his payroll. Thereafter Luker seeks to spark the biggest, bloodiest war possible, anticipating that "millions of men, women, and children will be burned, scalded, blistered, gassed, shot, blown up, and starved to death" so he can rake in the profits "on a turnover of about five thousand pounds per corpse." Luker viciously arranges for the death of anyone posing a threat to his schemes, even insisting on personally strangling one of his victims to death, and he attempts to make Simon watch as he flogs his female companion until she dies.
- "The King of the Beggars": Laura Stride is a wealthy, harmless-seeming socialite who moonlights as the leader of a vicious protection racket targeting beggars. Under the logic of picking one cent from one-hundred pockets every day, Laura targets homeless panhandlers solely because they're easy pickings, having anyone who refuses to split their meager earnings with her beaten half to death. Laura graduates to murder when she has a blind old man beaten and shot to make an example out of him and his obstinance, then later on drugs a mook who ratted on her to Simon to scopolamine, tortures him, then finally shoots him as well. After the curtain is pulled, Laura tries to arrange the death of Simon, actress Monica Varing, and Simon's friend Hoppy Uniatz, planning to frame the former as a murder-suicide and the latter as a robbery gone wrong.
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
Well. Here’s a…very depraved villain from a very depressive work. Giving you guys a content warning over themes of pedophila and sexual abuse. So please, beware.
What’s The Work?
My Eyes Deceive is a short, psychological first person horror game created by nouhidev, and is a very grim game. You play as a little girl stuck in an underground bunker, the outside world overrun by monsters and infections. Luckily, your father is there to protect you, providing you antidotes and a routine to stay safe.
That’s all I’m gonna say before we get into it now.
Who is Papa? What Does He Do?
Papa is the unseen father (presumably) of the protagonist. He appears at the top of the stairs, obscured in darkness from the hatch leading out of the bunker where he talks to The protagonist. Papa kept the protagonist sheltered in the bunker all her life, telling her of the infectious monsters all around while giving her an antidote that she takes every day to keep her safe. Throughout the week, the father comes to the daughter at the top of the stairs and frequently tells her about the monsters outside and to be safe in the bunker, even giving her a journal. But the girl slowly starts to doubt him as she gets nightmares over her being trapped and feels slowly uncomfortable, getting worst as the father mysteriously disappeared for a few days, making her spiral. Then the choice of whether or not to continue the antidote splits off into two endings:
- If you keep taking the antidote, you get The Bad Ending: The protagonist keeps getting the antidote and keeps he routine until something goes wrong with her and one day she asks her father one horrifying question: why is her belly so round and full.
- But if she rejects the pills, she gets the Good Ending: One day when she’s pretending to be asleep, she hears her father come into the room and she hears him taking off his pants before being force to answer the door. She wakes up and she gains courage to leave the bunker, and she sees her empty house, and figures out that her father was taken away by police, leaving her to gain courage and leave the house, and she shows confusion of the outside world. And even wonders about “the glowing ball in the sky.”
So…yeah. The story turns out that The Father (if he is actually her father) has been keeping the protagonist captive all her life as he drugged and raped her routinely over the years, all the while lying about monsters in the outside world to keep her in his grasp.
It’s a heartwrenching twist honestly.
Mitigating Factors?
God no with him. He’s a manipulative monster who kept his daughter in the basement and routinely drugged and raped her while making sure she’ll never see the outside world.
Heinous Factor?
While it’s not outright stated, Its spelled out pretty well that Papa has been drugging and raping the protagonist pretty much all her life, with the bad ending having him continue abusing his daughter for weeks until it’s revealed to have gotten her pregnant after everything, all the while he manipulated and shelters her from the real world, to the point she doesn’t even know what the SUN is. He’s…horrifying.
Verdict?
Yup.
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
Classy, Refined, Unstable
Seems like he just edges through sheer quality of it. Yeah to the Papa, is there any indication of how old the protagonist is?
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
A Girl, Just One of Many Kinds
The age is slightly vague but it’s made clear she’s a very young child, based on how she behaves, so around 10 years old as If I have to give an estimate
Keep Fighting. Keep Loving.
for Papa and the Golem, I think he's good on characterization myself also.
Golem (Didn't see that one coming) and Papa (Completely disturbing).
The Ultimate Lifeform
to Golem, and I'm not voting on Papa cause I know looking at his EP is gonna make me have a panic attack 😵💫
A nice swimmer
to Papa.
Current mood: sick of your shit
Caesar
Yes to Papa!
Reserving Avatar: The Last Airbender (2024) for discussion for myself and DemonDuckOfDoom.
Edited by Ravok on Jan 20th 2024 at 10:12:11 AM
WHAT A WONDERFUL DAY!
Lizzid people!
Yea to Golem and Papa.
....Phenomenal
for Inkoshi, Ashe, the Golem (gotta admit I wouldn't have expected this one), and Papa.
Insert title here
Not the Eye
to Golem and Papa
Jogo
Papa and the Golem
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Bloodsucking Sect Chief.
Edited by jlvs200s on Jan 21st 2024 at 10:46:38 AM
"Stand proud, Sukuna, you are strong." | He/Him
Devil, Inkoshi, Raymond Ash, Golem, Papa [!!!] (where's a vomit bucket when you need one?!)
Keeping with this week's theme of villain proposals whose characters are presented with "Adjective-Verb-Noun" nicknames, I present you... the Bloodsucking Sect Chief!
...but first, the work.
What is the Work?
Holy Flame of the Martial World, a psychedelic kung-fu-fantasy flick made by Shaw Brothers, during the time in the 80s where the studio starts churning out psychedelic kung-fu-fantasy flicks. It has ghosts, magical flying swords, millenia-old reanimated demons, High-Pressure Blood, multiple people Stripped to the Bone, good times.
Some screenshots for your viewing pleasure.
Plot run-down... Yin Tien-Chou (Max Mok) and his sister Chuan Erh (Ching-Ching Yeung) are separated at birth due to their parents being killed by Tsing Yin (Leanne Lau), the leader of the Er Mei Clan, and her associate Monster Yu (Jason Pai) for trying to hide the location of the two blades known as the "Holy Flames". Tien-Chou is rescued by someone known as You-ming Elder (Phillip Kwok), the sworn enemy of the two, who trains him to avenge his parents and find the first Holy Flame sword, both which were specifically made for a male and female, while Tsing Yin took the sister and trained her to be her disciple and pawn.
Incidentally, instead of Tsing Yin and Monster Yu, I'm proposing a side-villain. The film's first half focuses on Tien-Chou's attempts to locate the first Holy Sword, where he stumbles into a fishing village, befriending their resident snake-catcher Uncle Tu, and his plucky daughter, Chuan-er the "Snake boy" (just... roll with it).
Tien-chou managed to befriend the father-daughter-duo who offered him food and shelter on his travels, but then marauders attacks the village, kills Uncle Tu and kidnaps Chuan-er. Tien-chou tracks down the attackers and uncovers the underground lair of the Blood Clan, and their literally bloodthirsty leader, Bloodsucking Sect Chief.
Who is the Bloodsucking Sect Chief?
Leader of a cult who indulges in Human Sacrifice, prior to the film's events the Bloodsucking Sect Chief uncovers a thousand-year-old mummified remains of a demon from the Western territories; intending to awaken the demon, the Sect Chief plans to absorb the demon's powers to Take Over the World. To achieve this, the Sect Chief have minions attack villages and kidnap young virgins for their blood, using the red liquid to paint Paper Talismans allowing him access to the demon's aura... and has been doing so prior to the film; in his introduction, Chuan-er and an unnamed female captive are led into the Blood Clan's main hall, bound in ropes, the captive stripped partially naked before she's graphically skewered under the Chief's orders as sacrifice.
Tien-chou and another swordsman, a Warrior Prince named Yuan-san he befriended while on his quest for one of the Holy Flames, interrupts the Blood Sect before they can sacrifice Chuan-er. The Bloodsucking Sect Chief sends his mooks to face the two heroes, and when they fail, the Chief then uses Black Magic to animate paintings of four demonic-warriors to attack Tien-Chou and Yuan-san, though being paintings they turn out to be very vulnerable to flames.
The heroes are unable to prevent the Sect Chief from reviving the demon, who then orders the demon to kill Tien-chou and Yuan-san. But it turns out, the demon speaks only English (since... it's from the West?). After some miscommunication hijinks, the demon kills the Sect Chief instead. Tien-chou then activates the Holy Sword for the first time and uses it to defeat said demon.
Heinousness Standard?
Like other Shaw wuxia outputs, there's a colourful cast of characters among the clans. The different clans seeking the Holy Flame sword are treated like some Quirky Miniboss Squad characters that just sorta hangs around... before they're killed quickly by the Big Bad Duumvirate in the climax as part of The Worf Effect.
Tsing Yin and Monster Yu does incite the film's events by killing the hero's parents in the prologue, spends the whole film antagonizing the heroes, kills some lesser sect leaders at the end to prove their powers... but otherwise doesn't do much. They also seem to care for each other in the final battle, and beyond trying to obtain the Holy Flame, their endgame isn't really explored.
The revived demon is Made of Evil and dies minutes after being revived.
The Blood Sect's Chief, despite being the Starter Villain, explicitly wants to Take Over the World, have sacrificed an untold amount of young maidens, has zero remorse or limitations in his lust for power... pass.
Should we count the Bloodsucking Sect Chief then?
Shaw Brothers... yep, another gift that keeps on giving.
Not the Eye
Bloodsucking Chief
for Ashe
Abstain on the Golem.
for Papa
for the Sect Chief
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Yes to the Chief and Papa.
For the Golem, I'm more concerned about heinousness. Is merely destroying a single city enough?
Edited by ACW on Jan 21st 2024 at 7:24:41 AM
CM Dates; CM Pending; CM Drafts
Classy, Refined, Unstable
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Apart from Malefor trying to burn the world (who as I said is a Physical God capable of resurrecting a Destroyer Deity, there's no other instant of mass destruction of this scale being possible thrown at the player. The standard's only contained to the trilogy as it is its own continuity.
If you're concerned due to Gaul's actions prior to the story, they're told by storybook esque images (apart from the mass baby murder in which you see his troops running amok on screen with broken eggs strewn about.)
Edited by WetFlannels on Jan 21st 2024 at 10:53:04 AM
Oh, Mr. Kennedy, you entertain me. To show my appreciation, I will help you awaken from your world of clichés.
Edited by DoodSlayer136 on Jan 20th 2024 at 6:44:08 AM
NOISE IS CALLING, PICK UP PHONE