Old Complete Monster cleanup thread
Welcome to the Complete Monster proposal thread! This is the thread where new Complete Monster examples are vetted, approved, and written up. If you're looking for the general cleanup thread (for cuts, rewrites, expansions, and the like), please go here
Important: Before suggesting any new examples, please read the Frequently Asked Questions and Common Requests List; if you have any questions, the odds are high they are answered there. Additionally, please check here for the earliest date a work can be discussed (usually two weeks from the U.S. release date) and whether the work has already been reserved by another user.
Here is how the process works:
- If you have a candidate to propose, you can simply come right in and propose them! If the character's run is brief, such as a single issue of a comic book, then a simple summary of their actions and any potential redeeming qualities will be enough; for longer-running candidates, an effortpost (EP) might be helpful for organizing the proposal. An EP is not outright required, but please be mindful that if a post becomes too clunky and unorganized, it can be very hard for other people to follow.
- After the proposal, there will be a 72-hour discussion and voting period, where people may ask questions and vote on the candidate. The number of upvotes must outnumber the downvotes by at least five for the character to be considered "approved".
- Three days after the proposal has been made, if the character has been approved, you may post the writeup (the text to be posted on the trope page itself) on the thread and send it to the drafts page. Your candidate will soon be added to the CM subpage. If the work has a page, you should add your candidate to the relevant YMMV page. Voila! It's that simple!
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If you would like to use an EP for your candidate, here's the general format. This format does not have to be followed exactly, but these are the main topics that need to be covered:
What is the work?
This is a brief summary of the work you're going to discuss. We don't need a full plot summary here, just however much we need to understand going into the discussion — it can even be as simple as quoting the summary on the work's page.
Who is the candidate and what have they done?
This is essentially the character's biography — who they are, their story, the crimes they commit, and, preferably (though not required), what happens to the candidate at the end. It does not have to include every single thing they ever do — for some villains, we'd be here all day if that was the case — but it should include the highlights of their journey.
Any redeeming qualities? Freudian Excuse?
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Are they bad enough?
A Complete Monster has to be particularly vile by the standard of the work they appear in. Therefore, you should look at what the character does compared to similar characters in the same work. This takes into account things like:
- Their resource level (a human Serial Killer can't stand up to an alien Omnicidal Maniac, but they can be bad by the standard of other human serial killers)
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And that's everything you need to know. Welcome to the thread!
Edited by Twiddler on Jan 17th 2024 at 5:42:49 AM
Alright here’s my write-up for Cursa:
- Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope: Cursa is the physical reincarnation of the Megabug born from a fragment of the Megabug absorbing stellar matter. After gaining sapience, Cursa went on to attack the Comet Observatory. This attack caused the Rabbids and Lumas to fuse into Sparks and Cursa to possess Rosalina. After taking over Rosalina’s body, Cursa decides to absorb the life out all of the Sparks across the universe and kill them so that it could break Rosalina’s hope purely out of spite and so that it can retain control over her. Cursa also planned on to destroy the universe by covering it in darkness. Cursa then went on to pollute multiple different worlds with Darkmess causing destruction and mayhem on said multiple worlds. Cursa then attacks the Mushroom Kingdom where it brainwashed all of Bowser’s minions. Once three of Cursa’s remaining Spark Hunter minions returned and only Daphne returned with three Sparks for Cursa to absorb the life out of, Cursa then absorbed the life out of the three Sparks and swiftly killed them. Once Rosalina finally manages to break free of Cursa’s control, it takes on a new form so that it can finally kill Mario, Rosalina, and their allies once and for all.
What do y’all think?
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Sure thing. Is this better?
Edited by Fireball246 on Jan 28th 2023 at 10:41:54 AM
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Good start, but 255 words is too long. Should probably have mentioned that we like to keep writeups to a specific, low length. Can you get it down to about 200?
Edited by MasterN on Jan 28th 2023 at 10:31:35 AM
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Also, you want it like this:
''VideoGame/MarioPlusRabbidsSparksOfHope''
EDIT: FWIW, King Boo—from 2 games—is about 170 words.
Edited by ACW on Jan 28th 2023 at 1:39:29 PM
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Bye
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Ehssk, Hammond
![[tdown]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_down_emoticon_3571.png "[thumb down]"){kind=small}
Lavina
Is this better to y’all?
- Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope: Cursa is the reincarnation of the Megabug born from a fragment of the Megabug absorbing stellar matter. After gaining sapience, Cursa went on to attack the Comet Observatory. This attack caused the Rabbids and Lumas to fuse into Sparks and Cursa to possess Rosalina. After taking over Rosalina’s body, Cursa decides to absorb the life out all of the Sparks across the universe and kill them so that it could break Rosalina’s hope purely out of spite and so that it can retain control over her. Cursa also planned on to destroy the universe by covering it in darkness. Cursa then went on to pollute multiple different worlds with Darkmess causing destruction and mayhem on said multiple worlds. Cursa then attacks the Mushroom Kingdom where it brainwashed all of Bowser’s minions. Once three of Cursa’s remaining Spark Hunter minions returned and only Daphne returned with three Sparks for Cursa to absorb the life out of, Cursa then absorbed the life out of the three Sparks and swiftly killed them. Once Rosalina finally manages to break free of Cursa’s control, it takes on a new form so that it can finally kill Mario, Rosalina, and their allies once and for all.
Edited by Fireball246 on Jan 28th 2023 at 10:43:56 AM
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Lemme try:
- Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope: Cursa, the physical reincarnation of the Megabug, born from a fragment of the latter absorbing stellar matter and becoming sapient, planned to destroy the universe by covering it in darkness. Cursa went on to attack the Comet Observatory, causing the Rabbids and Lumas to fuse into Sparks and Cursa to possess Rosalina. After taking over Rosalina’s body, Cursa decides to absorb the life out all of the Sparks across the universe and kill them so that it could break Rosalina’s hope—purely out of spite—and so it can retain control over her. Cursa then went on to pollute multiple different worlds with darkness, causing destruction and mayhem. Cursa then attacks the Mushroom Kingdom and brainwashed all of Bowser’s minions. Cursa later absorbed the life out of the three Sparks and swiftly killed its Spark Hunters. Once Rosalina finally manages to break free of Cursa’s control, Cursa takes on a new form so that it can finally kill Mario, Rosalina, and their allies.
Caesar
Yes to Hammond, nay to Lavinia
- BlacKkKlansman: Walker is the bombmaker of the KKK's Colorado Springs chapter, driven by racist spite to kill for his cause. Developing a powerful explosive, Walker guides Connie through his and Felix's plan to bomb an activist rally where hundreds of black students and lynching survivors will be gathered. Though the initial plan to murder the crowd fails, Walker had prepared a "plan B", and attempts to bomb the home of the activist rally's leader to kill her and everyone inside.
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Looks perfect, ACW. Just one problem, Cursa didn’t kill its Spark Hunter minions, it killed the Sparks that Daphne handed over to it for it to absorb, but I can easily edit that. Besides that, that’ll do just fine. Thank you.
Edited by Fireball246 on Jan 28th 2023 at 10:50:49 AM
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Cool. I'll pothole it later (I gotta get somewhere), so I'll leave it in the Drafts for now.
EDIT: Yeah, feel free to edit that.
Edited by ACW on Jan 28th 2023 at 1:51:14 PM
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Collector of Worlds
Will I do a write-up of the Murderer?
I will claim what is rightfully mine, and rebuild the Kryptonian Empire.
Just call me Solemn.
I'd also suggest removing the part about Cursa assuming a new form to kill the heroes. Unless Cursa does this specifically out of spite towards Rosalina for breaking free of its possession of her, a villain attempting to kill the heroes because they're trying to stop them usually isn't considered too heinous an action, and we've cut multiple characters from this trope because of this.
EDIT: I'm also noticing overusage of the work "then".
Edited by ShootingStar7X on Jan 28th 2023 at 11:01:32 AM
Otherwise known as SolemnStormcloud.
Caesar
What's the work?
The Transformers Film Series—commonly referred to as "Bayformers"—is a series of giant robot action movies directed by Michael Bay and generally agreed to be batshit explosive insanity as the heroic Autobots duel the vicious Decepticons with the fate of the Earth at stake.
Who is Starscream? What has he done?
The same "treacherous right-hand man of Megatron" as always, Starscream is established as currently leading the Decepticons ever since Megatron crashed on Earth and was put on ice years ago. In the prequel novel Ghosts of Yesterday, Starscream and the Decepticons stumble across the Ghost 1, a human-populated spaceship exploring the galaxy. Starscream, taking advantage of the nearby Autobots, tricks the crew of the Ghost into attacking the Autobots as enemies, gleefully musing how much he'll enjoy forcing the Autobots to kill the humans to utterly break their spirits.
When the humans begin doubting Starscream's words and try to stand down, Starscream orchestrates for them to buried alive and slowly perish on a crumbling planet's rock. Though the Autobots save the Ghost from this fate, Starscream later murders the entire crew of the Ghost to silence their knowledge that Megatron is on Earth, Starscream hoping to conceal this from the other Decepticons to maintain his rule. After a failed attempt to kill the group of Autobots in his way, Starscream flees with the Decepticons, delivering a brutal No-Holds-Barred Beatdown-cum-Cold-Blooded Torture session to his minion Blackout for daring to question Starscream's rule.
Having learned that the powerful All-Spark is on Earth, Starscream brings the Decepticons there to hunt for it, hoping to keep Megatron's presence a secret as he dispatches the Decepticons to cause destruction across the planet. Blackout slaughters a military base in Qatar, and Scorponok pursues survivors to kill them and civilians in the way, while Frenzy kills his way into a government facility and hacks the database to spread chaos through a virus across the globe. Barricade tracks down young Sam Witwicky to obtain his antique glasses—imprinted with Cybertronian information—and use it to find the All-Spark, eventually locating it—and the frozen body of Megatron—hidden inside the Hoover Dam.
Starscream leads the charge in assaulting the dam, the Decepticons killing plenty humans as they obtain the All-Spark and—regrettably for Starscream—awaken Megatron. The Decepticons intend to use the All-Spark to transform all human technology into robotic minions with which they will exterminate the human race and conquer the galaxy...Starscream does his level best in this goal, killing an entire squadron of human jet fighter pilots and nearly destroying several Autobots to claim the All-Spark for the 'Cons. When Megatron is ultimately beaten and the All-Spark destroyed, Starscream assumes command of the Decepticons yet again, detailed in The Veiled Threat.
Starscream sets up shop in the country of Zambia, where he tries to destroy a multitude of dams across the country, planning to flood and kill hundreds of thousands of humans and harm millions more through the loss of infastructure and massive flooding, and though this plan is foiled, Starscream murders the Autobot Breachbreak in the process. Starscream later teams up with the wealthy human Bruno Carrera to set a trap for the Autobots by having his minions devastate the city of Rome, killing many innocents before the Autobots save the day. In response? Starscream tracks down Bruno and does something so brutal to him out of petty annoyance that when police investigate Bruno's disappearance "they found nothing but smoking ruins. It was as if the man had never even existed: wiped clean from the face of the Earth. Starscream had attended to every detail."
Following this, Starscream flees from Earth, setting himself up as the caretaker of a new batch of Decepticon hatchlings and the wounded Fallen. Megatron is eventually revived by his loyalists, much to Starscream's cowaring annoyance, and Starscream begins working with the Fallen and Megatron to eliminate Optimus Prime and obtain the Matrix, so that the Fallen can destroy the Earth's sun and kill humanity. In the process, Starscream murders plenty of human soldiers and has Rampage take Sam's parents hostage, threatening to murder them if Sam doesn't hand over the Matrix and doom humanity.
Luckily, the Fallen is destroyed and the plan foiled, so Starscream and Megatron flee to recoup their losses. Working with Megatron to orchestrate the return of Sentinel Prime, Starscream plays a sizable role in the takeover of Chicago by personally bombing the ship supposedly carrying the Autobots away from Earth in a peaceful truce, and Starscream later kills any military that try to fly into the city of Chicago as the 'Cons devastate the city.
Working to ensure that Sentinel's plan to teleport Cybertron to Eath and enslave humankind comes to fruition, Starscream later spots Sam and his girlfriend Carly, and sadistically pursues and toys with them, gloating of how much he'll enjoy killing them for all of Sam's tampering in the past. Luckily, between Sam, human military and some Autobot interference, Starscream gets an explosive device shoved right in his eye that explodes, killing him once and for all as the Earth is saved by the Autobots.
Mitigating features?
None to speak of, he has WIE listed on his character page but that's apparently from the comics—which are so full of Continuity Snarl that they're considered a separate canon and I'm not taking into account for this proposal lmao—and in the films themselves, he has nothing. He's a cowering, ambitious sadist, nothing more.
Heinousness?
Yeah, even for the high standard of the Bayformers franchise? Starscream is up to a lot. In the films themselves, he's the leader of the initial 'Con invasion that leads to all kinds of death across the planet, he's working to help Megs use the All-Spark to transform all machines into beasts that kill humans. In the sequel, he tries to help the Fallen wipe out the sun and humanity, in the process taking Sam's parents hostage. In the thirdquel, he plays a big role in the takeover of Chicago, kills plenty more innocents, and is trying to help Sentinel enslave the human race. All of this is already putting 'Scream close to passing the general standard when he's got his hands (claws? Mandibles?) in that many evil pies.
Then you throw in the prequel and interquel novels, where he kills the crew of the Ghost after cruelly trying to force the Autobots to, and then later tries to flood Zambia and wrecks Rome, with an explicit intended bodycount in the hundreds of thousands? And yeah, he's well over the line.
Final Verdict?
Yes yes and yes, happy to finally get a version of my favorite villain up.
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That's a point.
Also, are we supposed to use The Klan, even if it's the actual Ku Klux Klan?
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Also, I might as well finally start on my EPs. This one is an easy keeper so I'll keep it short.
What's the Work?
Oddrietta is an Explorer Horror game by the creator of Phantoms in the Camp, which was already proposed from. You play as Harriet, a deaf woman who lost her hearing and her father in a car accident which lets her hear strange things no one else can, which is what got her the mean nickname Odrietta from her peers. Long story short, the city becomes enveloped in a wind that makes a noise turning everyone who hears it into horrible monsters, with Henrietta having to discover the cause.
Who is Henry? What Has He Done?
The Big Bad Henry is an evil Alternate Self of Henrietta from another universe who somehow traveled to this one and fell in narcissistic lust with his other self. He became friends with Henrietta when they were kids, in the hopes of invoking a Childhood Friend Romance. When she was 12, he started stalking her, killed her puppy, and caused the accident that got her daddy killed by jumping in front of their car (which is implied to have been purposeful since he wouldn't let her see Henrietta). He then somehow got the power to create the wind that turned everyone into monsters, including Henrietta's mom and deceased dad, and traps Henrietta in an endless loop where every time she dies, she is resurrected and brought back to the beginning of the game, intending to break down her resistance until she agrees to marry him.
There are three endings. Henrietta can either give in and become his bride, and she outright says she's only doing it so he'll stop tormenting her; she can refuse, in which case he kills her and sends her back to the beginning of the loop; or, she realizes that, as an alternate version of him, she has control over the wind as well, and so stabs him and wipes him out, then fixes everything.
Is He Bad Enough?
He turns an entire city into a Yume Nikki-esque hellscape and everyone in it into horrible monsters, with Henrietta's dad in particular clearly suffering, after having killed Henrietta's dad and dog beforehand, and goes out of his way to psychologially torment his "true love". It's a standalone game with no indication of it being in the same universe as Phantoms or any of the creator's other games. Pass.
Mitigating Qualities?
To put it simply, despite his sweet talk, his "love" for Henrietta is never portrayed as anything but possessive desire. He outright says he loves her because she's another version of him, making it come across as narcissism, and he is willing to put the woman he "loves" through absolute hell with no remorse, only feels bad when she rejects him, and disregards her feelings. Despite her clear distress and unwillingness in the ending where she marries him, he just brings up how happy it makes him feel. Other than that, nothing.
Verdict?
Easiest keeper I've ever done.
Edited by MasterN on Jan 28th 2023 at 11:03:18 AM
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Starscream.
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Yes to Henry.
For Starscream, leaning yes, but it kinda feels like cheating to include the novels but not the comics.
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Starscream. Alright, how’s this, everyone?
- Mario + Rabbids Sparks of Hope: Cursa, the physical reincarnation of the Megabug, born from a fragment of the latter absorbing stellar matter and becoming sapient, planned to destroy the universe by covering it in darkness. Cursa went on to attack the Comet Observatory, causing the Rabbids and Lumas to fuse into Sparks and Cursa to possess Rosalina. After taking over Rosalina’s body, Cursa decides to absorb the life out all of the Sparks across the universe and kill them so that it could break Rosalina’s hope—purely out of spite—and so it can retain control over her. Cursa then went on to pollute multiple different worlds with Darkmess, causing destruction and mayhem. Cursa then attacks the Mushroom Kingdom and mind-controlled all of Bowser’s minions. Cursa later absorbed the life out of the three Sparks and swiftly killed said Sparks in the process. Once Rosalina finally manages to break free of Cursa’s control, Cursa takes on a new form so that it can finally kill Mario, Rosalina, and their allies. Cruel and downright malicious, Cursa stands out as one of Mario’s most evil, petty, and sadistic foes.
Edited by Fireball246 on Jan 28th 2023 at 11:23:34 AM
The Moron
Yes to Henry, great work N!
And yes to Starscream - being familiar with that franchise, the comics have so many issues that there's no way to take them as canon, while the novels are tie-ins.
Just call me Solemn.
Here's my rewrite for Cursa:
I'm not familiar with this game, so if there are any further tweaks that could be made, let me know!
EDIT: @Fireball ![[nja]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/user_ninja_2074.png "[nja]"){kind=small}
'd me, but what do you think?
Edited by ShootingStar7X on Jan 28th 2023 at 11:19:09 AM
Otherwise known as SolemnStormcloud.
Caesar
Yeah, not "cheating" at all IMO, the comics go really fucky in continuity while the tie-in novels are pretty consistent with the flicks. There's a reason Shockwave, for instance, is only listed in the comic and not connected to the films. Or that we have two versions of the Fallen.
Yes to Henry.
Edited by Ravok on Jan 28th 2023 at 11:16:53 AM
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Alright, cool. And yes to Starscream then.
Will he just go at the top of the tree?
EDIT: As for Cursa, I'm pretty adamant about potholing "the Mega Bug" to the first game.
Edited by ACW on Jan 28th 2023 at 2:14:48 PM
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Not the Eye
Yes to henry and Starscream.
Given that transformers has it own page for Continuity Snarl, this Honestly seems more straightforward.
Barb / Temporary Kylo
to Starscream.
The Emperor of Evil!
to Starscream and Henry.
- The End of Mushroom Kingdom (video link
): Bowser, portrayed far worse than he normally is, has gotten tired of his constant losses to the Mario Bros and figured out a way to fuse a power star with a poisoned mushroom, creating the Z-Star. Bowser launches a missile infused with Z-Star power at the Mushroom Kingdom, which ends up annihilating the entire Mushroom Kingdom, killing nearly everyone inside. The Z-Star would go around corrupting things that Mario would end up facing, and eventually, it would end up doing the same to Luigi, forcing Mario to fight and kill his own brother. When Mario confronts Bowser, Bowser infuses Peach with the Z-Star's power, eventually leading to her death.
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