The Loud House Cleanup

Crossposting from Expy clean up thread:

From Characters.The Loud House Lori Loud:

• Expy: She is based on Jeanie Bueller from Ferris Bueller's Day Off, as both are strict older sisters who are often annoyed by their No Fourth Wall breaking younger brother. They drive and both have a Hidden Heart of Gold underneath. They even have similar hairstyles.

These traits don't seem specific to Jeanie, plus I don't believe it was ever stated whether she was older or younger than Ferris.

Found this in History Repeats

• In a Story-based Company example like Nickelodeon, in 2002, we say Steve from Blue's Clues goodbye (although Blue's Clues is a Nick Jr. show, but still it counts) because he is going to College. In the 2020s, we would say Lori from The Loud House goodbye to the Main Cast because she is going to College, thus Foreshadowing a hypothetical Rom-Com spin-off starring her and Bobby.

Does this seem shoehorned to you guys?

Extremely. Characters going to college is a common occurrence beyond Nickelodeon shows and those are very different characters.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 20th 2021 at 9:11:42 AM

I'm not totally sure about this on the show's YMMV page (and that last sentence):

• Unintentionally Unsympathetic:
  • A fridge example in "No Laughing Matter". Luan does come off as sympathetic when she gives up comedy, and the scenes where her sisters pick up on her serious behavior do work...until one realizes that she only had one interaction with each of her sisters, and that’s what tipped them off. Thus, it comes off as if Luan hasn’t once stopped being a Pungeon Master for a while, making her sisters pretty darn justified in complaining about her antics. To be fair to Luan, this was most likely due to the pacing of the 11-minute episode more than anything else.

Edited by Segal991 on Apr 21st 2021 at 12:42:58 PM

The example seems to argue with itself.

Brought it up in that trope’s clean up thread.

Edited by costanton11 on Apr 21st 2021 at 3:18:39 AM

Speaking of that episode (and that YMMV page), there's also this Unintentionally Sympathetic example:

• Luan gets this reaction both in-universe and from the audience in "No Laughing Matter" when she becomes depressed over her siblings criticizing her comedy routine and ultimately retires as a result. Her siblings don't think twice about teaching her to accept criticism and instead try to encourage her to go back to her old ways, implying that she is incredibly vulnerable and may suffer from low self-esteem, which is understandable given her showbiz aspirations.

If it's in Universe, then it seems to be an intended reaction.

This is on YMMV.The Loud House:

• Nightmare Fuel:
  • "Teacher's Union": After Coach Pacowski's date with Mrs. Johnson goes badly, Lincoln and Clyde admit to him it was because of their meddling that it happened. How does Coach respond? By threatening to rip them to pieces, prompting Lincoln and Clyde to run for their lives, with the coach chasing after them.

It’s not really played for horror. Maybe run it by the Nightmare Fuel thread just to be safe.

On BrokenBase.Western Animation:

• The intended moral of the episode "Linc or Swim" is, "It's better to spend time with your family rather than to spend time on your own." This is broken for two reasons: first, Lincoln is meant to be viewed as being in the wrong, despite the sisters ruining his experience (though that's partly due to the pool only being built for one). In fact, the only reason he didn't want his sisters to find out is because he and the others got kicked out of the town pools because of three of them, even though he never entered any of the pools. So the episode's basically saying, "Even if your siblings get you in trouble and don't let you have fun, it's less boring than spending time with yourself." Second, the sisters don't learn anything^note Though the third one to get him in trouble was a baby and thus too young to know better, nor do they realize that they ruined Lincoln's experience of being in a pool. Lori even calls him "selfish" and "bossy" despite kicking everyone else out earlier. So the episode is also saying, "If you ruin your siblings' fun, hog it to yourself, and don't apologize for it, then you should be forgiven because you are oblivious to your troubles and don't know any better," or worse, "It's okay to bother someone else and ignore them, because it's their problem, not yours."

I added the parts about the pool being too small, only three of the sisters being responsible for getting the family kicked out, and Lily being a baby, but it still seems bashy.

You can probably remove the bashy sections.

Sorry for the double post, but I found this on YMMV.The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild:

• Signature Scene: The infamous ending where Lincoln is forced to wear the squirrel suit for "good luck" on the beach is most remembered by the shows fans and viewers.
  • The respective scenes where Lynn Jr threatens Lincoln with violence in order for him to come the baseball game with her bat, and then latter when she first labels him "bad luck" also counts. For a lot of people, those were the moments that solidified Lynn's reputation as a Base-Breaking Character.

Unless I'm mistaken, Signature Scene is for scenes that are received positively. I'm wondering if we should request this page to be locked.

Signature Scene includes scenes that are best known for being shocking or controversial. It just has to be the best known scene of the episode.

I feel like in this case, it's being used to complain about the episode/characters. I'll run it by the complaining thread just to be safe.

Edited by costanton11 on May 5th 2021 at 6:45:55 AM

The only trouble is, I have a hard time separating the "bashy sections" from the legitimate parts.

Edited by Unicorndance on May 6th 2021 at 12:10:15 AM

Can probably trim excess detail and mention the main points, which should eliminate most of the complaining.

Brevity was never my strong suit though.

Maybe just try rewriting it from scratch?

Changed it to:

• The intended moral of the episode "Linc or Swim" is, "It's better to spend time with your family rather than to spend time on your own." However, when Lincoln was spending time with his family at the town pools, he still didn't have a good time, because three of his sisters got the whole family kicked out. Slightly diluted by the fact that getting their own pool meant there was now no-one to kick the Louds out, but there's still the fact that Lincoln learned his lesson about selfishness while Lori was selfish earlier in the episode (namely, she kicked her siblings out of the pool for a "senior swim" because she's a high school senior) and never learned better.

Is that better?

That works.

This was added on YMMV.The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild:

• Signature Line: “Your bad luck Stinkcoln!”

As you can see, it also has improper grammar in addition to complaining.

Edit: it seems that that troper has added several other zero context examples of this trope on other work pages.

Edited by costanton11 on May 15th 2021 at 4:04:56 AM

Correct the grammar at least. Not sure if it counts.

I could defend the Signature Scene but I don't think I ever heard anybody talk at length about that particular piece of dialogue.

Honestly I'm this close to just wanting that YMMV page locked for further evaluation because so many people keep shoveling complaining onto it.

Does Signature Line require context, as the troper also put zero context examples of the trope on other work YMMV pages?

YMMV.The Loud House S 2 E 8 No Such Luck Frog Wild

• Esoteric Happy Ending: Savino's statement that Lincoln got what he deserved in "No Such Luck" is baffling to say the least, considering the real issues that created the conflict (Lynn's superstitions and her being a sore loser) are never addressed upon at all, while Lincoln, despite realizing his mistake and doing all he could to prove he's not bad luck, is still miserable and treated like an outcast to an extent by the end of the episode. He’s at least glad to be brought on outings again and be allowed in the house, but his family are so caught up in superstitions, they unthinkingly make him keep the squirrel suit on for good luck without considering his feelings or health, thus making him seem more like a hostage than a family member. For many fans, it’s rather strange that Lincoln still chose to stick with his stupidly delusional family, who haven’t learnt a thing concerning superstitions, rather than decide, Screw This, I'm Outta Here

Wow, complaining much?

There's also this entry in the main Never Live It Down page:

• The Loud House has a number of really bad cases of this, especially when they involve one character treating main character Lincoln in a rude or cruel way. Some notable examples:
  • Luan Loud has trouble living down the almost sociopathic level that she takes her signature jokes/pranks in "April Fools Rules" (to the point that she even scares her parents) and being allowed to get away with it for the most part. The episode "Fool's Paradise" further tarnished her image in which she trapped her family in a motel where she can torment them with mean-spirited pranks for her own sick glee.
  • Lynn Jr. has yet to live down her actions in "No Such Luck". When Lynn Jr. blamed Lincoln for costing her a baseball game, she convinced the entire family that Lincoln is a jinx, leading to Mr. and Mrs. Loud locking Lincoln out of the house, selling his furniture, and eventually only allowing Lincoln to participate in family events if he is wearing an uncomfortable mascot costume.
  • Lori calling Lincoln a twerp really only happened in early episodes, yet in fanfiction, it's practically her nickname for him. Also, people act as though threatening to turn someone into a "human pretzel" is a "thing" she does, but she only said it in one episode!
  • Bring up Lucy, and you're pretty much bound to get someone mentioning how she likes a comic called Princess Pony and clogged the toilet with one of the comics. Though it is an impactful twist in her character, it was just a one-episode thing.

The first two don't explain how its unreasonable for fans to hold a grudge against these characters, though I think they're still examples. Just needs a rewrite.

Edited by PlasmaPower on May 21st 2021 at 11:52:16 AM