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I was just about to bring up that discussion
. Though it seems it dropped off without reaching a conclusion.
If you really want to conceal the moments behind spoiler font, you could paraphrase them, or go the extra mile and make Wham pages Spoilers Off. Quotes aren’t allowed to have potholes, so it kind of makes sense why spoiler tags aren’t allowed either.
Industrious Incisors
I was under the impression Wham pages already are spoilers off.
Angry babby
Wham should be spoilers off. I think paraphrasing lines for a trope about specific lines would messen their impact. You could also quote the lines as normal text rather than quote text, though.
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
Big Catch, Sparkle Edition
It should be... on the actual Wham pages. On trope pages, we can't just arbitrarily make some tropes spoilers-off and some not.
Anyway, can we please move this discussion to the thread linked above? It's designed for this debate, and this isn't the place for it.
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[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
Mighty Mewtron suggested me to go to this page so here I am. Ok so in Wham Shot film page I found some examples that I think are misused. For some examples:
- In the trailer of The Jungle Book (2016), the first half is narrated by Scarlett Johansson, leaving many viewers confused, until...
ScarJo: Let go of your fear now...
- The trailer for Godzilla: King of the Monsters (2019) shows a brief scene depicting Burning Godzilla.
- The 1968 cowboy western Shalako opens a scene with a bunch of cowboys loudly and raucously whooping and making noises at a cougar to scare and drive it off, then cuts to, of all people, Brigitte Bardot!! dressed in fancy, European hunting clothes and a silk top-hat and wielding a rifle, which she fires and kills the cougar.
- Jesus Christ, it's Henry Fonda!
Edited by Bubblepig on Sep 10th 2020 at 2:16:55 AM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
Blapper of Water
It should be cut. If it's just based on the marketing for the work, the actual line might not even appear, or it might appear in a totally different scene.
Look at all that shiny stuff ain't they pretty
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So, Yu-Gi-Oh! ARC-V has its own Wham Episode page, and while I love that show to bits, it needs some cleaning up. Can anyone help me pick it apart? I can think of several examples that need fixing on top of my head.
SpaceBattles.com fanworks (unnoficial) index in my Sandbox.
Sonic The Hedgehog IDW's wham episodes are...excessive, to say the least. I'm positive 31 doesn't count since it's wrapped up in the very next issue and changes nothing.
- Wham Episode:
- Issue #7 We find out the "Eggman" who's been running things is really Metal Sonic in his "Neo" mode.
- Issue #12: The real Eggman regains his memories after seeing the damaged Metal Sonic and goes right back to villainy.
- The entire Metal Virus story arc is this, especially "The Last Minute" (Issues #21-24). Some issues stand out, however:
- Issue #15, when the nightmare begins in earnest as Rough, Tumble, and Sonic are infected.
- Issue #19, when [[spoiler:Shadow is infected and turned into a Zombot.
- Issue #24, the "rock-bottom" point for the heroes. This issue is Despair Event Horizon personified. The remainder of Amy's team are all emotionally drained with each shred of hope leaving them (Restoration HQ, Tails' lab, and the data reader needed to find a cure to the Metal Virus all having been lost). Cream is completely devoid of her optimism due to losing Cheese, Chocola, and her mom. Espio blames the loss of his team on Sonic due to letting Eggman run free (during his "Mr. Tinker" phase). Sonic is especially tired after endless running, and slowly losing his ability to drive back the virus affecting him, as informed by Gemerl. Whisper is distraught after learning Tangle is infected and staying behind to help them all escape. And to top it all off, the issue ends with a Wham Shot of Starline finally enacting his Deadly Six plan.
- Issue #25, true to its title, is "a sudden shift" indeed. After Starline's plan for the Deadly Six backfires, a chain of shockers ensues, and the stage is set for the Metal Virus saga's endgame.
- Issue #29 is a real nail-biter in its first half. Silver can only watch helplessly as Sonic and Metal Sonic struggle to reach Zavok's Chaos Emerald, while the other survivors fight for their lives against their own infected friends. During the battle, Eggman betrays the heroes (only to be infected himself) and all but Silver, Rouge, Espio, and Whisper are infected, with Knuckles becoming a Zombot and Sonic almost meeting the same fate before being cured via Super transformation alongside Silver. From there, the issue abruptly becomes a Breather Episode for a short while...until the Warp Topaz overloads from exposure to the Super energy and blows up, with Sonic vanishing thereafter.
- Issue #30, the Downer Beginning of the "Out of the Blue" arc. The Metal Virus has been destroyed by Super Sonic and Super Silver, but the heroes are worried about Sonic's disappearance and the Zeti (except Zavok, who gets arrested) are still on the loose. Even worse, Eggman steals the heroes' airship and escapes, while Metal Sonic rejoins his master after rescuing Orbot and Cubot; along the way, Metal Sonic horrifically disembowls Gemerl, traumatizing poor Cream again, and since Omega's severed head was aboard the shuttle, Eggman decides to use him as he plans his next attack. Finally, the ending Wham Shot shows Sonic ended up in Blaze's world after the Warp Topaz exploded, and she finds him lying unconscious on a beach, busted up and far from home.
- Issue #31 The good news? Sonic is already back up on his feet again in the Sol Dimension. The bad news? His mind has been warped and has lost his memories. Meanwhile, Starline now plans to regain Eggman’s respect by conquering the world himself then making the both of them work together, and Eggman takes Omega and integrates him into a giant mech which he then uses to assault the heroes during Tangle’s celebration party.
- Wham Line:
- In Issue #7, after Sonic reveals to the second Eggman that he's already met the real one.
"Dr. Eggman": Of course you'd even ruin my feint, my loathsome copy.
- In Issue #10, Rough and Tumble show up to capture Mr. Tinker, mentioning that "the Doc" told them he'd be a little "off". Neo Metal Sonic was unaware of Tinker's amnesia or his current location, hinting that this isn't the robot's machinations at work. Sure enough, it turns out to be the work of an all-new villain, Dr. Starline.
- Issue #21 ends with Amy informing Tails that Restoration HQ fell to the Zombots, along with almost everyone inside including Vanilla and Vector.
- In Issue #24, Tangle gives one when she reveals her infection to Sonic. His reaction speaks for itself.
- And at the end of the same issue, when Starline tells Eggman he's got an idea of how to get the Zombots under control and Eggman tells him to stop bugging him about it. Starline's response?
Dr. Starline: No, sir. (Summons the Zeti) I insist.
- And at the end of the same issue, when Starline tells Eggman he's got an idea of how to get the Zombots under control and Eggman tells him to stop bugging him about it. Starline's response?
- Issue #27 has a couple between Cream and Gemerl:
- Cream delivers the hardest-hitting one when she shows Gemerl that she's been infected with the Metal Virus after their fight against Zeena.
Cream: I got sick.
- And then Gemerl chooses to stick with Cream, after tossing the Chaos Emerald through the portal to Angel Island.
Gemerl: I will be with you until...you are well.
- Cream delivers the hardest-hitting one when she shows Gemerl that she's been infected with the Metal Virus after their fight against Zeena.
- At the beginning of Issue #31, after Blaze describes Sonic to someone...
Mr. Needlemouse!Sonic: He sounds very impressive. I'd like to meet him one day.
- In Issue #7, after Sonic reveals to the second Eggman that he's already met the real one.
Edited by lalalei2001 on Oct 16th 2020 at 5:34:26 AM
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Well, I don't know the work, so all I can tell you is how the entries come across to me. Given that entries are supposed to make sense even to people who haven't seen a work, I figured it would be worth summarising how they come across to me.
Wham Episode:
- Issue 7 looks like The Reveal.
- Issue 12 looks like 'status quo resumes'.
- Metal Virus story arc: all of the bullet points seem to be just 'exciting plot line unfolds'.
- Issue 30. Plot happens.
- Issue 31. Plot happens.
Wham Line:
- Issue 7: It looks like it's saying the real trope is the one it's potholing, so it comes across as just a reveal.
- Issue 10: This entry doesn't even tell us what the wham line is. It's just a plot summary.
- Issue 21: sounds like a cliffhanger.
- Issue 24: Tells a wham line occurs but doesn't tell us what it is and just focusses on Sonic's reaction instead.
- sub-bullet: sounds like a clifhanger.
- Issue 27: the two bullet points seem to be a reveal followed by a heart-warming moment.
- Issue 31: A line at the beginning of a story is supposed to be wham? That looks like misuse to me.
In short, if any of these are genuine examples of Wham, they're not coming across as it and should be rewritten. If they're not genuine Wham moments, they should be removed.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Oct 16th 2020 at 12:08:20 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
WhamEpisode.Homestuck has a lot of misuse and ZCEs. I suspect part of it is that many examples were added while the comic was ongoing (meaning that people tended to add recent Shocking Moments regardless of whether they caused long-term ramifications in the plot).
Edited by BlueGuy on Oct 16th 2020 at 8:20:40 AM
Pinball cleanup thread
I zapped the wham moments citing this thread but they were added back by another troper.
The Gravity Falls page has 11 entries out of 40 episodes. Not as bad as Legend Of Korra, but it could probably use some trimming. As someone who's seen the series multiple times, I'll go through them below but would like confirmation from anyone else, especially anyone who's seen the show (unmarked spoilers below).
- "The Hand That Rocks The Mabel": There is more than one journal, and Gideon has it in his possession. The fact that there are multiple journals becomes a big plot point in later episodes, but I don't believe it actually shook up the status quo that much. The next few episodes are relatively lighthearted romps anyway. Probable cut.
- "The Time Traveler's Pig": Mabel wins a pig as a prize in the county fair, who becomes a recurring character on the show. Everything is different now, indeed. Yes, Waddles becomes a recurring character, and there are a couple of Waddles-centered episodes later on, one of which has Stan struggling to having Waddles living in the Shack, but his presence doesn't really change the course of the series. One of the episodes centering on him was even practically non-canon. Cut.
- "Little Dipper": Gideon doesn't just want vengeance against the Pines, but also wants the Shack itself due to something being hidden on the property. Important character motivation revelation, but I'm not quite sure.
- "Gideon Rises": The kids finally tell Grunkle Stan about the journal and other weird mysteries that surround the town, which he appears to shrug off as them having overactive imaginations. However, the episode's final moments reveal that Stan knew about the journals and the mysteries of the town the entire time, having had Book #1 in his possession for several years. And with Books #2 and #3, he uses them to activate a strange device underneath the shack. The device becomes a huge underlying plot throughout the first half of the next season, but it generally flies under the radar for the next few episodes. On the other hand, the revelation that Grunkle Stan is already aware of the goings on in the town is meant to change how the viewers perceive Grunkle Stan now. Leaning towards keep, but could someone familiar with the series weigh in on this?
- "Scaryoke": Stan admits that he knows about the town's weirdness to Dipper and Mabel. Meanwhile, the government now suspects something is happening in the town of Gravity Falls and is now keeping tabs on the main characters. Not sure, but leaning towards cut. The government agents are a huge part of a later episode, but they only make a few background appearances afterwards until their bigger appearance later. Plus I don't believe they're brought up again by the rest of the characters during that time. On the other hand, Stan confiding in the kids definitely shakes up their character dynamic, but it honestly doesn't have too big an impact on subsequent episodes.
- "Society of the Blind Eye": Part of the reason the citizens of Gravity Falls seem so oblivious to the supernatural weirdness in town is that a secret society has been kidnapping people and erasing their memories. Also, Old Man McGucket was not only a close associate of the Author of the Journals, who was trying to use his research to help humanity, but a founding member of the Blind Eye. The character's senility was caused by abusing the memory-erasing gun he invented, in order to forget the tragic happenings that occurred while working with the Author. The first part is never brought up again in the series. Meanwhile, the revelation about McGucket, a commonly-recurring minor character and an important key in solving the series's biggest mystery, does make the characters interact with him much differently from that point forward. Not sure.
- "Northwest Mansion Mystery": Pacifica Northwest's behavior is the result of her father's Pavlovian conditioning. The episode also reveals the dark history of the Northwest family, whose actions led to the deaths of the hundreds of lumberjacks that built their mansion years ago. Also, McGucket's laptop reveals a countdown to The End of the World as We Know It — scheduled to happen in just 21 hours. While the main characters' interactions with the Northwests does change from this point onward, they don't appear much in subsequent episodes, so that part probably shouldn't count. The countdown plays a big part in the next episode, but stops being so afterwards. Dipper even brushes it off at the end of this episode. Again, not sure about this.
- "Not What He Seems": Grunkle Stan has led multiple lives everywhere he's gone, and has at one point faked his death. It turns out everything he's been doing in the basement of the Mystery Shack was him working towards bringing his brother, The Author of the Journals, back to our dimension. Pretty much only one of two entries I feel 100% confident keeping.
- "A Tale of Two Stans": We finally learn about Stanley and his brother Stanford's past, how Stan was disowned by his parents, how Ford contacted him when he dug too deep into Gravity Falls' mysteries only to be pulled into the portal when the two fought, and how Stan took his identity to earn a living as he spent the next 30 years trying to reactivate the portal to bring him back. It's a backstory episode that gives context to the characters' actions in the present day, but otherwise it doesn't introduce much else that the previous episode didn't already.
- "The Last Mabelcorn": Ford is revealed to have worked closely with Bill Cipher in order to build the portal, and Bill is planning to link the waking world with the nightmare dimension, which would ultimately cause the end of humankind. Furthermore, now that he is unable to make direct contact with the Pines family, Bill plans to control one of the town's residents to continue his plans. Leaning towards keep, as it contains some pretty important revelations, and plot developments that continue in later episodes (Ford and Dipper try to find a way to stop Bill from entering the human world, the unicorn spell protects the Shack from Bill's weirdness, Bill looks for someone else to possess). Is that enough to count?
- "Dipper and Mabel vs. The Future": Ford offers to make Dipper his apprentice, and Bill possesses Blendin Blandin to get the dimensional rift from an unaware and (due to the above offer) emotionally compromised Mabel, which he proceeds to shatter, thus achieving his ultimate plan to link the waking world with the nightmare dimension. Cue the Grand Finale. Keep; it's the literal End of the World as We Know It, and the rift between Dipper and Mabel gets addressed as a major plot point in subsequent episodes.
Interestingly enough, I also feel that Dreamscaperers (the penultimate episode of Season 1) would probably qualify, even though it's not on this list, but the aftermath of that episode is pretty quickly reversed after the season finale.
Also, more than half that page is spoilered out. Isn't this a "no-spoiler" trope since pretty much all examples will be spoilers anyway?
Edited by PacificGreen on Nov 14th 2020 at 4:59:49 AM
Angry babby
"Little Dipper" was more a bit of foreshadowing at the very end. I don't even remember this scene. I think you can cut.
I do remember "Gideon Rises" shocking people for the reveal about Stan at the very end though it takes "Not What He Seems" for it to really hit.
"Society of the Blind Eye" completely changes the path of McGucket's character from comic relief to a legitimate piece of the puzzle, so I'm inclined to keep it.
I'd say cut "Northwest Mansion Mystery" as it's more just buildup to the true Wham Episode, and the Pacifica stuff is just normal character study.
Not sure about "The Last Mabelcorn."
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Critical Role has about eighty entries under Wham Line between the show's two seasons, most of which are just the episode number with the quote under it with Zero context. I've commented out Zero-Context Examples for the show's first season, but I wanted some more input because I'm sure that some of these examples should probably just be deleted. A lot of the entries just detail minor reveals and bouts of bad luck, not lines that change the context and direction of the whole show. Does anyone have any thoughts on the page?
This and other ZCE were added to WhamLine.Fan Works
- NES Godzilla Creepypasta:
Red: I'll tell you a secret... I KILLED MELISSA.
I recall a lot of Wham Line examples were cut as ZCE as they need to explain how they change the narrative. It looks like we removed ZCE's from the page.
Cut or comment out? Do we still have the Wham ZCE sandbox?
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/WhamEpisode/ReadyJetGo
Kind of feel like this page speaks for itself, really. Not to mention lots of bolding to make things seem more scary/dramatic than they probably really are.
Very Spooky
That page was made by the same troper who made all the other exaggeration-filled subpages, and there's definitely plenty of misuse on that page. Wham Episodes are episodes that significantly affect the status quo, not just episodes where surprising or shocking things happen.
Edited by jandn2014 on Jan 7th 2021 at 7:19:26 AM
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Perhaps the existence of Shocking Moments will help the situation in the long run.
I had a dog-themed avatar before it was cool.
I'd be okay with moving the "wham" examples to shocking moments, but even with that there'd probably still be buttloads of misuse to make the show seem more "mature" than it really is.
Just cleaned up the Gravity Falls Wham Episode page. Feel free to contest any deleted examples you think should stay.
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WhamEpisode.Buffy The Vampire Slayer needs some cleaning as well. As I've rewached the first five seasons, there seems tobe a lot of "new character is introduced", "a couple break up" or stuff that don't really matter in the long run (Giles being fired by the other watchers since he remains unchanged on the show and is eventually reintroduced).
Edited by Silverblade2 on Jan 12th 2021 at 7:11:37 PM
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That's under a lot of debate. We can't decide if it's just referring to page / quotes page quotes or all quotes.
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