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Isnt that story acclaimed ?
Yes. That's why I cut the entry. It lacks proof of audience apathy while it's acclaim proves otherwise.
I'm Sad Frogerson.
Yeah, I've seen plenty of people describe Grave of the Fireflies as "the best movie I never want to see again", mostly because of how depressing it is. So, I think it fits Angst Aversion better, since quite a few people avoid because of its tragic reputation despite being acclaimed.
I've purged all the non-examples in the Western Animation entry and since the legitimate examples are too few, perhaps we can cutlist the page now?
Reposting this entry for One More Day:
- Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: How exactly Quesada expected people to feel good about reading Younger and Hipper Brand New Day Spider-Man is a puzzle? Theoretically, he could have commissioned a story and plot that provided some Catharsis Factor (similar to Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? which closed the Pre-Crisis Superman with an all-time classic story that didn't upset or dampen enthusiasm for the Continuity Reboot, despite the many tragic deaths of Superman's supporting characters). Instead the story he commissioned to end the old era and signal the start of the new is a bleak, humorless, and joyless story where Peter is at his most unlikable, unsympathetic and whiny, and whose subtext is that he's losing the best thing that ever happened to him and his reward is to be permanently stuck in an eternal 20s which most readers interpret as an Ironic Hell (especially with Mephisto claiming a small part of Peter's soul will suffer forever) and akin to the Downer Ending of Brazil, while making long-term Spider-Man fans feel entirely demoralized.
I know the story was panned, but I don't know enough if it qualified for this trope in regards to the criteria required.
Correct. It needs something tangible as proof (ratings, decline in sales, creators acknowledging fans were turned off).
- YMMV.Friday Night Funkin Corruption: For some people, the Foregone Conclusion that anybody who the Boyfriend has a bout with is going to get corrupted has alienated some people.
Honestly, that's kind of the appeal? The characters are going to get corrupted, but it's fun watching them struggle and there's the still the will/won't of if they can stop it or fix Boyfriend before they fully succumb.
Also, the videos themselves
consistently get at least a million views, if not more — the most recent video is three days old and is 250k shy of hitting a million.
Foregone Conclusion does not count, so yeah.
Two entries to consider (Wall of Text ahead):
- * Gotham is a prequel series to Batman. Pre-Batman Gotham is a Wretched Hive, where crime is rampant and corruption runs so deep that a mob assassin can casually stroll into a police precinct and order everyone out so that he can kill one of their own in private - and they will obey, because most Gotham cops would rather keep their heads down than make waves in a city ruled by organized crime. The few decent people working within the system are either beaten down by apathy or get Reassigned to Antarctica... before getting beaten down by apathy. Most of the storylines focus on the schemings and machinations of the mafia families that run Gotham, and the most brutal and murderous incarnation of The Penguin we've ever seen is most likable of the bunch. Nearly every episode ends on a downer note, with our heroes winning a small yet meaningless victory while things slowly get worse around them. And since the show features many characters from the Comic Book before they became superheroes or supervillains, it can be hard to get invested in their lives and struggles, because it's all a Foregone Conclusion. We know what's going to happen to most of them. We know that idealistic detective Jim Gordon will fail in his crusade to clean up Gotham, and that organized crime figures Falcone and Maroni will survive and only grow stronger. We know this will happen because it has to happen, because it will set the stage for Bruce Wayne to turn himself into the one thing capable of taking back Gotham... and since Bruce Wayne is only about 10 years old right now, this status quo will continue for at least the next ten years.
- Except... it soon becomes clear that Gotham is a show which is willing to play fast and loose with what is a Foregone Conclusion and what isn't. By the end of the first season, Maroni is dead, Falcone's power is broken and Gotham's underworld is in the hands of Token Evil Teammate Penguin.
- Grey's Anatomy, of all things. As the show goes on the main character winds up going through numerous life-threatening, traumatizing hazards that would permanently break a normal person, has several friends and loved ones die on her while others leave her, and it seems like the show has her fated to wind up just like her mother did and end up alone while losing her mind. The death of her husband near the end of the show's eleventh season was the last straw for many longtime fans, feeling that the show's become too unnecessarily bleak to continue watching anymore.
Also, I was considering adding these:
- British Edutainment Show Police, Camera, Action! started off as observations of careless and reckless driving on launch in 1994, but it soon got fairly bleak, showing criminals who would take extreme risks if it meant they could get ahead, and also the "not good vs evil, not us vs them" mentality meant it could be bleak. As the series went on, its final five episodes from December 2008 to August 2010 were the bleakest of the series, with none of the show's trademark humor and a very definite feel of "nothing can go right" and heavy-handed ways of discussing the moral of the story, which may have contributed to its cancellation, along with the very definite Tone Shift which turned the darkness Up To Eleven - a very definite contrast to when it first started out.
- The Dreamstone was a British series where the villains were more sympathetic and Punch-Clock Villain, arguably Villain Protagonists, although promotional materials said Rufus was the protagonist, yet he didn't get anywhere near as much screentime as them (after the pilot episode). However, it was hard to root for the heroes due to them having a power that could end the story and the Urpneys, the villains, suffering at the hands of their Mean Boss Zordrak and the dark, cold lands of Viltheed. Any time they did get a victory, it was short-lived; also, their own race could be cruel to them (for example, "Trouble With The Miners", although that episode is Jerkass Has a Point). Despite the supposed Sugar Bowl setting, this series was actually one where it was hard to find a side to support and although it ran on Black-and-White Morality in theory, in practice it was more of a Graying Morality series.
Edited by Merseyuser1 on Mar 9th 2021 at 6:44:14 PM
None of those offer proof audiences were apathetic (declining rating/viewership, cancelation). Cut or not examples.
Fanfiction.net has Reviews: x - Favs: x - Follows: x. Any way those can be used to identity DIAA?
Perhaps if the majority of the reviews complained about the tone then it could qualify. As for the favorites/followers perhaps we could determine by comparing them to other stories of similar length. Generally, if a story has at least 100 Fav/Fol, then that's definitely out of the picture but if they remain at really low double digits even after reaching like 100k words, then we could have a possible example.
Edited by Loekman3 on Mar 10th 2021 at 8:14:17 PM
I dunno, that seems like a fishy assumption to make. It could easily be that the work just isn't attracting attention in the first place (especially if it's for a smaller or older fandom). I'm not sure there's a way to use either stat to measure a work's reception, at least as it pertains to this trope.
Going forward, if I see a DIAA example being removed in a work's page, I'll opt to check the trope's sub-pages after. Went there and had a lot of "wait this was already discredited and removed from the work's page."
Edited by UltraWanker on Mar 11th 2021 at 1:11:33 PM
From YMMV.Helluva Boss S 1 E 4 CHERUB:
- Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: The episode can be pretty difficult to sit through for some, as unlike previous examples, it has I.M.P. not just kill people, but ruin three Cherubs' lives by getting them Barred from the Afterlife, and get away with it. The fact that they get so easily barred has lead many to believe that this universe's Heaven isn't much better than Hell, and as a result, undermines Charlie's plans and Hazbin Hotel's whole plot and message.
Not That Trope. The part about Hazbin also feels more like Fridge Horror.
Should I add the now provides proof of audience apathy requirement to the DIAA Square Peg, Round Trope entry? That would help with cleanup. Or are we not at that point yet?
- Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: Several readers weren't really pleased with the rapidly-esclating, more serious plotlines in what was initially an amusing story about Sunset suddenly becoming a pony again. Randomly killing off the human counterparts of Night Glider and Party Favor as a result of the Windigoes (off-screen no less, when they otherwise hadn't even appeared in the story at all) didn't really help either.
The fic has 1,942 likes vs 106 dislikes and a quick glance through the comments shows no dislike or backlash. It sounds more like backlash against moments more than overall tone which is series as opposed to dark. I'll cut it unless I hear any objection to removing.
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Mar 19th 2021 at 8:05:54 AM
Shall we cut Madoka Magica's example. Feels like it's just complaining given how popular the show is (partly because of its Darker and Edgier tone)
Goku Black
Oh yeah.
Most people watch now days because of it being dark...which is kinda the opposite of what DIA is.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
From YMMV.How The Grinch Stole Christmas.
- Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: A common criticism is that the Whos are just too unlikable, being bullies, overly competitive, overly commercial, and just as ignorant to the true meaning of Christmas as the Grinch. The result is a film far more cynical than the original book, which makes it much harder to care what happens.
Angry babby
Hmm...I know the film got mixed reviews but it was financially successful. Is it too successful to count?
Edited by mightymewtron on Mar 26th 2021 at 6:28:44 AM
I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.
So someone on the Attack on Titan YMMV page recently re-added the DIAA examples, with the justification that “the opinions of the series’ detractors matter, and they’re in this line of thinking.” I deleted it with the justification that the latest two arcs are the most acclaimed of the entire manga, and the 4th season has gotten scores of high 8s to a 10 on IMDB. What do you guys think?
Goku Black
Show is too popular I would think. The last season has been very well received by critics and fans alike. With huge audience scores.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
From YMMV / Helluva Boss S1E4 "C.H.E.R.U.B."
- Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy: While the episode was overall very well-received, for some viewers it veered a little too far into Black Comedy and Cringe Comedy without the show's usual surprisingly heartfelt moments to counterbalance it.note
Didn't I already delete that example after we discussed it in the thread earlier?
Edited by MrMediaGuy2 on Mar 31st 2021 at 8:59:08 AM
YMMV.Oops Im Equine Again
The fic has 1,942 likes vs 106 dislikes and a quick glance through the comments shows no dislike or backlash. Any objection to cutting as lacking proof enough audiences were made apathetic?
Edited by Ferot_Dreadnaught on Feb 27th 2021 at 12:33:34 PM