This is a thread for checking up on pages for works that have not been released yet, to make sure that they are not straying into rampant speculation or posting crazy behind the scenes spoilers. You can bring both individual examples or entire pages to attention here.
In extreme cases, any page can be locked, but hopefully that won't be necessary.
(As these pages often are hit with zero-context examples and shoehorning as well, all four - speculation, spoilers, ZCEs, and shoehorning may get addressed simultaneously.)
The policy governing this effort is Creating A Work Page For An Unreleased Work. Cleanup is being tracked using the Unreleased Works sandbox.
All pages for unreleased works should include a %% comment at the top of the page, confirming the policy and linking to this thread and the Administrivia page. It doesn't have to be exactly the same as the example provided here, but this provides a template to work with.
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%% We trope what DOES happen in works, not what MIGHT happen or is LIKELY to happen.
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Edited by Mrph1 on Feb 10th 2024 at 8:16:52 PM
...Are Final Fantasy VII shipping wars really still that bad?
Not really. If the remake wasn't imminent, I'd probably be trying to get the page unlocked.
he/him | Image Pickin' regular
I asked if FFVII could be unlocked about a year ago, and nombre said it still attracts the rabid shippers.
Edited by rjd1922 on Mar 31st 2020 at 10:07:40 AM
Keet cleanup
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Well, let's wait and see for how Characters.Final Fantasy VII Remake does; currently it has not been a shipping battleground yet.
A bunch of examples have been added to YMMV.New Warriors related to a new comic's run that hasn't been released yet:
- Ensemble Dark Horse: B-Negative is the one thing from the 2020 reboot that people are actually looking forward to, due to his cool design and concept. Since he's so out-of-sync with the rest of the team, some hope that he becomes the Breakout Character from the series, maybe getting a spin-off of his own and maybe a less narmy rename.
- Offending the Creator's Own: Luciano Vecchio, who co-created the controversial Vol.6 recruits, is a gay man himself; nonetheless, Snowflake is seen as an especially problematic character, with some of the most severe criticism (aside from the usual anti-diversity, "SJW cringe lol" crowd) coming from actual non-binary people.
- The Scrappy: And if that wasn't enough, the Vol. 6 team (with the exception of B-Negative) makes the fourth series warriors look like fan favorites in comparison! Snowflake and Safespace especially stand out, being reviled by nearly everyone on the internet for effectively being caricatures of the LGBT spectrum.
- Snark Bait: The 2020 New Warriors became almost instantly universally despised all over the internet by basically everyone who ever saw them. If you didn't see them as an embarrassingly out-of-touch and tasteless insult to the very demographics it was allegedly intended to empower, you saw them as the latest piece of evidence that Marvel Comics has become so wrapped up in its own politics that it no longer has any idea how to make anything cool.
- Tainted by the Preview: The 2020 New Warriors line-up hadn't even debuted properly, but the teaser reveals of the new line resulted in a frenzy of rage, disgust, hostility and criticism from comic fans on both sides of the political spectrum, lampooning everything from their art style to their designs to their backstories. In fact, the hatedom has even managed to bridge the normally irreconcilable political divide amongst American comic fans, with Rightwingers rejecting the team as "The Woke Warriors", and Leftwingers denouncing them as exploitative, badly crafted, and generally tasteless.
- Unfortunate Implications:
- As this article puts it
, Snowflake and Safespace seem like satirical caricatures of who they're trying to positively represent. Even though their co-creators are supportive of representing minority groups (Luciano Vecchio himself, who illustrated the 2020 line-up, is a gay man), just about everything about Snowflake and Safespace is rather tonedeaf towards what the nonbinary community actually wants from a nonbinary superhero. For one, their names are attempts at Appropriated Appellations, except it's too on the nose to be taken seriously, especially since their simplistic power-sets are based exactly off of their names and the duo don't seem to have any other traits that define them outside of "non-binary".
- Not only that, but Trailblazer also has her own issues. An Ambiguously Brown woman, her name is evocative of adventure and she has a magic backpack - like a certain well-known Latina girl from a preschooler's cartoon. Alternatively, she may be of indigenous descent, which means she has an Unfortunate Name as it is reminiscent of American colonization forcing out indigenous populations from their homes (see: the Trail of Tears).
- As this article puts it
- Were Still Relevant Dammit: The 2020 line-up. Other criticisms aside, most of them are Totally Radical, and seem for all the world like an attempt to cash in on someone's idea of what's "hip" and "current".
Edited by Anddrix on Apr 3rd 2020 at 6:43:47 PM
FF7R's street date has hit. Currently there might be a worry about some backlash to FF7R being in an Alternate Universe to the Compilation. Should the main page stay locked?
Edited by Albert3105 on Apr 9th 2020 at 9:27:03 AM
Yes. As Fighteer mentioned in the locked pages thread, there are shipping war sites updated to this day. I'm surprised the Characters/ and YMMV/ pages are still open tbh.
Those two subpages were not locked because the shippers never attacked those pages in the first place. The initial locking of the remake's main page had absolutely nothing to do with shipping and everything to do with people reverting speculation cleanup at the time. This can easily be verified in the edit history, where the back-and-forth was about cleanup editors hiding speculative examples in comment tags and other editors were removing them.
However, I would wait a week or two and see if the shippers and twist-bashers actually get to the remake pages before asking about changing any subpage's lock status. So far, they haven't, so I'd rather like them unlocked IMO.
Edited by Albert3105 on Apr 10th 2020 at 1:32:12 AM
A page for the newest volume of New Warriors has been created despite the work not having been released yet.
Star Wars: The High Republic was made as, in addition to be an unreleased work, as an incorrect use of the Franchise namespace.
Both are eligible for pages if they come up with three valid, non-speculative examples. (The Star Wars one should of course be in a different namespace.)
What other namespace would be appropriate?
Just saw an Ask The Tropers thread that might be of interest to this thread:
According to this thread, there's been a big leak regarding The Last of Us Part II, the details of which are making certain fans very unhappy.
Responses have re-iterated the rules about troping leaks, but I thought the thread may want to be aware if they weren't already so they could keep an eye on it. Unhappy fans on an unreleased work just stinks of potential issues.
Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 27th 2020 at 5:47:11 AM
Friends forevermore
Seems like an obvious "lock until release" situation.
The YMMV page already has had Audience-Alienating Premise, COVID-19 shoehorning, and Overshadowed by Controversy smuggled in. That subpage is not ending well.
The YMMV page should be locked, but for the rest of the subpages I'd wait and see.
Edited by Albert3105 on Apr 27th 2020 at 6:04:12 AM
[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
I think you may heard of Dreamkwami 19 because someone mentioned her to you guys on this page. Well she's back as Dreamkwami 20 and I recently found her edit about a "spoiler character" that didn't exist yet. Is there a way to stop her from putting speculating tropes?
Edited by Bubblepig on May 8th 2020 at 1:53:52 AM
“What is that? It's The Unknown!”
That's... Were they ever even suspended as Dreamkwami 19?
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[[Willy's Chocolate Experience The Unknown]
I think so but they didn't learn the lesson judging by their second account.
Lost in Space
No, they were not suspended.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
Throwing a heads up everyone's way. Going by this ATT post, VideoGame.Paper Mario The Origami King is already seeing some edit warring over YMMV reactions from a trailer that dropped literally today.
A few warnings have been added to YMMV.Paper Mario The Origami King.
Edited by Albert3105 on May 14th 2020 at 11:44:18 AM
Hey, so just to check, it's still okay to add tropes about only the trailer, right? I added this to Paper Mario: The Origami King, but someone removed it because it was troping something only in the trailer.
- Bait-and-Switch: The announcement trailer opens up with origami Peach shuffling out the castle doors, implying a change in artstyle, before she begins speaking and the camera pans out to reveal the regular paper Mario.
Definitely; scene editing is an expression of tropable creativity after all.
On YMMV.Paper Mario The Origami King, these Memetic Mutation examples look more like one-off jokes:
- Memetic Mutation:
- In the first trailer, it was revealed that Mario has an ability to use the 1,000-Fold Arms, two accordion-like arms that give him much longer reach. Since the first fighter in the second Fighters Pass of Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was stated to be coming from ARMS, jokes were made about Paper Mario being the actual new character instead of any of ARMS' own characters.
- Some have joked that since the antagonist of the game is the Origami King, if Mario defeats him in battle that would make Mario the Origami Killer.
A recurring issue with Memetic Mutation is whenever a new trailer or episode is released, tropers are quick to add examples of jokes people made from them without waiting if they become memes.
Edited by ADrago on May 16th 2020 at 7:08:15 AM
Edit: dammit, pagetopper.
Edited by Theatre_Maven_3695 on Mar 30th 2020 at 1:28:16 PM