During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
for the earliest date a work can be discussed, (usually two weeks from the US release), as well as who's reserved discussion.
- Why do a cleanup?: This trope definitely exists and has a well documented history of use. That being said, it frequently gets misused to a character who meets one of the components, namely that they are smart, charming while not necessarily even being a villain, or create good plans. While these are components, there is also a certain personality required, not to mention that all of the above are required to be present for a character to be a true Magnificent Bastard. As the trope attracts interest, it unfortunately brings in a lot of misuse and I thought the best way to rectify this would be a Perpetual Cleanup Thread, as is being done and has seen success with Complete Monster.
- What makes a Magnificent Bastard: Below is a list of the individual components to make this character. Note that they must all be present, not just some, which has lead to frequent misuse:
- Must be intelligent: Goes without saying, to be a Magnificent Bastard, the character has to be smart in the first place and use their brain to work towards whatever their end goal may be;
- Must be a Bastard: While going overboard in how vile the character is can be detrimental, a key aspect is the Bastard part of the trope, whether the character is an out-and-out antagonist in the work, some manner of Villain Protagonist, or something in between, they at least have some unscrupulous qualities to qualify for this trope;
- Must not be too detestable: Again, there is a ceiling on how bad the character can be before they just become too nefarious, blocking out the Magnificent part of the trope. A genocidal racist or child-raping Sadist aren't going to make the cut;
- Think on their feet: In addition to being a Chessmaster, a Magnificent Bastard, if the character deals with situations in which their initial plan is ruined, has to be able to pull a Xanatos Speed Chess and at least come up with a competent strategy to make up for lost time, otherwise they fail for being unable to think in tough spots;
- Have charm: Even if they don't necessarily make every character they meet fall in love with them and can even be detested by others, the audience has to find an amicable social relation to the character, or they are failing to make the impact required for this trope.
- What to do if a character is listed on a page but has not been approved?: They need to be removed, all candidates need to come through the cleanup thread first. The character could well count but they need to be analyzed properly and voted on first.
- Do we list Playing With this trope?: No; as a YMMV trope, this cannot be Played With, so we only want examples that are Played Straight.
- What do I do if I want a character to be listed as a Magnificent Bastard?: The greatest success Complete Monster saw for its cleanup effort was from the invention of the effort post format, so, borrowing from that, a troper wishing to propose a Magnificent Bastard will create such a post in the following format:
- Begin by describing The work, this will help establish the setting the character is in and for the reader to understand what kind of a scenario they are in;
- Summarize The character's actions, this will provide a listing for readers to understand what they do and how it applies to this trope because charm and lack of smugness are so crucial, this is a good time to be incorporating exactly the flavor of how they operate to explain this;
- List circumstances in which the character must Think on their feet, these are times where a wrench might be thrown in their initial plan and they have to adapt on the spot or even come up with a new scheme all together, this is also a good time to explain how the villain reacts to defeat when they have to face it, a true Magnificent Bastard won't break down into tears at the thought of death, they should have known such a possibility could occur and be able to handle it with more dignity;
- The competition, similar to the Heinous Standard dealt with for a Complete Monster, this section is to deal with how successful the character is in carrying out their plans compared to other characters. While, as a villain, they probably are going to lose in the end, it is good to explain how other characters handle the same situation. There is no exceptionalism case to be made for this trope but explaining the variety helps the reader have a better understanding of the proposal.
- How do you know when the character's arc is done so they can be proposed? When their tenure as a villain or antagonist finishes. This could happen in a single Story Arc in an entire work, a single work of a franchise, or the whole series in general. We'll show lenience to Long-Runners with constantly recurring candidates or series with outstanding continuities (ex. comic books), and it's entirely possible to count in a work or two but not in general for a reason like Depending on the Writer.
- What about candidates evil because of external sources? Those Made of Evil can qualify if they show enough individuality and tactical acumen — in other words, they have the personality to fulfill the magnificence requirement. Conversely, those brainwashed, especially if they're a better person without it, may fail the individuality aspect and cannot count.
- What if they are under orders from a higher-up? Depends. If the boss created the plans down to the letter and the candidate is just following them, sounds like we should discuss the boss instead. However, if the candidate takes creative liberties with the orders, adds their own charm and flair to them, fills in holes in the orders, and/or actively deals with obstacles their boss did not talk about, the candidate shows enough individual thinking to qualify.
- What about Character Development? An MB is something a character can develop into... a nice person who plots well might become more morally gray as the work goes on and hits the "Bastard" criteria, thus making them viable. Likewise, a Smug Snake might shed their ego, become more understanding of the threat others pose and gain the personality or "Magnificent" criteria, likewise making them viable. Conversely, a character who looks like this trope might suffer from a Sanity Slippage or just get outed as not being as smart as they thought they were and become incompatible with MB.
- Can an MB be a good guy? Not in the conventional sense... it is required they have at least some dubious traits lest they fail the "Bastard" criteria. That being said, a character who pulls a Heel–Face Turn or eventually stops taking villainous actions is still fair game: as there was a point in time where they were both "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and they've merely adapted as time goes on. Now... if such a character begins showing other issues (i.e.: becomes prone to freak outs or starts getting outwitted) then they're compromising their Magnificence and will probably be deemed a cut. What's important is stylishly operating while at least for some time being willing to take at best underhanded methods to see a job done. A Heel–Face Turn in itself isn't a disqualifier but they do have to have been "Magnificent" and a "Bastard" at the same time and afterwards can't start slipping on the former front.
- What about characters whose stories can take different routes?: When proposing a character in a form of media that has them in multiple story routes. Said character must be consistent with their characteristics in all routes. (ex.: Can't have an example who shows promise on one route yet fails in another.) The only exception is if a later installment of the series confirms the character's actions which made them worth proposing are the canon route.
- Is there a timeframe rule like with Complete Monster?: Yes, please wait two weeks until after the work has concluded before proposing a character (again, usually using the North American air date). As is the case with CM, we want to give a reasonable time frame so that everyone interested in seeing the work has done so and can participate in the discussion without having anything spoiled.
- What about groups like with Complete Monster?: This is a point of divergence between the two tropes. While CM does not allow for a single entry encompassing more than three characters lest their heinousness for crimes becomes too watered down, with MB as long as they are treated as one "unit" it is acceptable to lump all characters provided they share acts of charm and intelligence.
- Can I propose my own work's character as a Magnificent Bastard?: No, this is a YMMV subject and the creator of a content is way too biased to be able to evaluate the criteria we're looking for without a second opinion taking over. That being said, you are more than welcome to encourage someone to consume your creation and if they feel a character counts, are more than welcome to suggest them.
- My example/edit has been approved, but the example subpage is locked! How do I get it added?: The moderators do not add examples to locked example subpages in the MagnificentBastard/ namespace directly. Rather, you need to do the edit to a sandbox page that follows the format Sandbox.MagnificentBastard<Name of the example subpage> (e.g for MagnificentBastard.Fullmetal Alchemist it's Sandbox.Magnificent Bastard Fullmetal Alchemist) and on a Friday, ask in the locked pages edit requests thread for the content to be swapped in.
Thread rules
When voting a troper must specify the effort post they're voting on and cannot merely vote on "Everything I missed" as in the past it has indicated the poster didn't read the effort post and is guessing instead of analyzing.
Resolved items
In general, a character listed on this trope is considered "settled". This means they should not be challenged unless information used to list them was incorrect or information was missed in the initial discussion.
However, when re-litigating a candidate, the same rules apply for when they were originally proposed. If they do not have five or more upvotes than downvotes for approval upon a re-litigation, including votes from the initial discussion if they do not change, then they are a cut.
This especially applies to the characters listed below, who have been discussed excessively and repeated attempts to get them listed/cut may result in punitive action for bogging down the thread.
Definitely an MB
- Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers: Any sadism Darkrai displays is limited in effect thanks to the game's nature and any cowardice which can be inferred about him is Alternative Character Interpretation about his tactical retreats.
- Avatar: The Last Airbender: Azula's Villainous Breakdown is undone in the sequel comic Smoke & Shadow where she regains her composure and ends up stable and in control enough to count.
Definitely not an MB
- South Park: The show's frequent use of vulgar comedy and mean-spirited humor leaves any potential candidates devoid of the dignity or charm to qualify.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:15:22 AM
Definite yes to Reginald. He's always been one villains in the show I wish had gotten away.
Are you going to do an EP for the Fallen Hero FBI psychic?
The Draftsman of Doom
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I was thinking about it, but IIRC she tries to pull a gun on Shawn in front of the cops once he exposes her. Not really a smart move
Edited by magnumtropus on Jan 2nd 2022 at 8:48:18 PM
Yes to Regnaida and Silva. No to Dabura because of how he was defeated.
Edited by YobabyColin on Jan 2nd 2022 at 12:59:29 PM
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for Lyrus, Bobo, Sushi Girl, Doug, Reginald, and Silva.
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for Dabura.
Lies and Violence!
Silva.
Continuing with Five Kingdoms, and I should probably explain the Myth Arc for this one. So, the High King of the Outskirts had five daughters, each one a prodigy in the different branches of magic (convenient, but whatever). The King's friends weren't exactly good influences, and convinced him to stage his daughters' deaths so he could steal their powers for himself. The daughters eventually escaped and, in the present, the King is losing his control over their powers. His aforementioned friends, being such kind and considerate individuals, are taking advantage of this growing weakness to siphon the powers into controllable weapons. Unfortunately, because magic hates being useful, these weapons tend to develop sapience and betray their masters.
The series follows Cole as he helps one of the daughters, Mira, reunite with her sisters and reclaim their powers, with the intent to overthrow pretty much just ignore their father and instead punch Satan in the face. I'm exaggerating, of course, but that's the basic plot. Oh, and Cole has SPECIAL MAGIC PROTAGONIST POWERS!!, because of course he does.
The second book in the series, Rogue Knight, is set in the kingdom of Elloweer as they search for the princess Honor. Their branch of magic is centered around illusions, and if an enchanter is powerful enough, they can actually alter someone's entire being.
For who knows what reason, Elloweer is governed by an "only the strongest may rule" mentality; each town has a champion that defends the citizens and determines how taxes and stuff are spent. If you kill the champion, you become the new champion, and all his knights must now follow you. It's great for settling wars without much bloodshed, but obviously still leads to some problems.
The Rogue Knight
The titular Knight was a dwarf servant in the employ of the High King's aforementioned friends, chosen to be the vessel for Honor's power. However, he quickly rebelled from their machinations and set out to undo their work, growing a small collection of loyal knights whom he enhanced into unstoppable killing machines with his newfound magic.
The newly-dubbed Rogue Knight traveled across the countryside, unseating any champion he came across and abolishing all taxes whenever he took over a city. He quickly became a... uh, champion among the common people, but also pissed off a lot of nobles. By the time Cole comes to Elloweer the Rogue Knight has conquered twelve towns and challenged the champion of the kingdom's capitol city, Rustin Sage; Sage has refused to acknowledge him as a proper champion, partially out of fear of fighting the so far undefeatable Knight and partially to avoid the chaos that would ensue from him abolishing all taxes.
Taking umbrage with this, the Rogue Knight has been robbing any travelers to and from the capitol city. Cole and friends first meet him when he holds up a caravan they're currently traveling on; he's pretty nice about the whole situation, leaving his victims with enough money that they won't be left completely broke and making it clear that no one will be harmed if they simply comply with his demands. Although Sage sent one of his knights to defend it from RK, he quickly gets him to surrender without a fight through a brutal "Reason You Suck" Speech and informs his victims that they'll get their stuff back when Sage accepts his challenge. Before he leaves, however, he subconsciously recognizes Mira and kidnaps her.
Fast forward a little, and Cole reunites with Mira during the Knight's duel with the legendary "Dreadknight," whom he unsuccessfully tries to convince to simply forfeit the fight before effortlessly executing him. Mira tells Cole that, besides the whole kidnapping thing, the Rogue Knight and his crew have been absolute gentlemen, and that they're sort of working together now; he challenged the Dreadknight specifically so he could gain control of the prison Honor is supposedly being kept in.
Shenanigans ensue, and the Rogue Knight finally meets Honor... who's rightfully a little annoyed that he's using the power that belongs to her. He initially refuses to return it, citing it would undue his knights, and it quickly becomes clear that his previous interest in finding Honor was motivated by the desire to get her to surrender her claim to the magic, even threatening to kill her friends. However, after seeing her bravery against an evil, Eldritch Abomination school teacher (please don't ask), he concedes that she's worthy of the power and realizes he has no right to keep it if he doesn't want to forsake everything he believes in, giving her the magic back and pledging his knights' support to her cause.
Is he Magnificent?
The series is pretty meh in my opinion, but the Rogue Knight is easily the best part. He's an honorable badass who always tries to resolve his conflicts through words, and if that fails he's not afraid to whip out his sword and cut down anyone in his way. Although he's initially antagonistic to Honor, he genuinely believes he's using the power for the greater good and that it would be wasted in her hands, yet gives it up without hesitation when he's proven wrong.
Is he a Bastard?
The Knight's honorable, but also quite destructive. On top of the robberies and threats of murder to the princess, his abolishment of taxes in every city he claims quickly creates anarchy, since... you know, you need that for the government to work. Not that he really cares, since he leaves the moment he takes charge. It mostly seems to be a way to fuck with the King's friends whenever he doesn't have a specific mission in mind, though the popularity among the common folk doesn't hurt either.
Yes to the Rogue Knight.
Edited by YobabyColin on Jan 2nd 2022 at 1:20:45 PM
Yes to Reginald, Silva, and the Rogue Knight. No to Dabura. Fixed Paragus on the sandbox.
Also yes to Reginald, Silva, the Rogue Knight, no to Dabura. Thanks Guma!
Goku Black
rogue knight
She/Her
to Reginald, Silva, and Rogue Knight
to Dabura
Lies and Violence!
Okay, fourth book... and more magic mechanics. Oh boy, how exciting.
The kingdom of Necronum (gee, I wonder what their shtick is?) is split between two realms: the real world and the "echolands," which sort of acts like purgatory. Whenever someone dies, they become an echo, which is basically just a ghost but technically still alive. I guess it's sort of a way to get closure and say your goodbyes before you move on to the actual afterlife. The magic of this kingdom is centered around still-living people moving between their physical body in the real world and their echo in the echolands (whichever one you're not currently in is basically just a comatose shell).
While echoes can still be killed if they take enough damage, water is pretty much insta-death for them, and the longer they stick around the more they may feel the pull of the afterlife — Cole saves a guy who was about to sleepwalk into a river, only to turn around and see that he immediately fell back into a trance and jumped in.
Pretty sure this is for kids, but... uh, yay for witnessing suicides?
Anyway, the aforementioned friends of the High King work for an Eldritch Abomination named Nazeem, who is currently imprisoned and has his two Co-Dragons lead in his stead. One of them is a bit more impressive than the other.
Sando
Sando is an echo with the appearance of an elderly beggar, who first appears to Cole when he's searching for the princess Tessa. The two strike up a rapport, and Sando agrees to trade Cole information in exchange for a favor: Cole must hold on to a coin, and will receive warnings and directions until he delivers it to whomever Sando decides should have it. Cole will not be allowed to tell anyone about the deal, as Sando fears someone could use their connection to bind him, and the echo will serve only Cole until the bargain is complete.
It's obviously a bit weird, but Sando explains that making deals like this protects him from the call of the afterlife, and Cole accepts. Sando proves to pretty helpful, giving them a few genuine leads and saving them from some soldiers, before directing them to what appears to be a member of the resistance against the High King. Suddenly, however, Cole is told to give away the coin, fulfilling their bargain and releasing Sando from his promise to do no harm. The "resistance member" works for him, and forces them all into the echolands were there are a bunch of armed guards ready to capture their echoes (Cole escapes because of SPECIAL MAGIC PROTAGONIST POWERS!!). His previous efforts to save them were to manipulate Mira into a location where he could easily capture her without risking damage to her physical body.
Sando captures Honor and offers to deliver a message to Tessa for her. He finds another prisoner he knows Cole will try to rescue and strikes a deal: have Cole deliver the message when they inevitably meet up in exchange for Sando placing Honor in a prison she has a greater chance of escaping. It's obviously a bit too good to be true, but the prisoner risks it and Sando is able to track Cole through the message, finding and capturing Tessa.
Cole escapes again thanks to SPECIAL MAGIC PROTAGONIST POWERS!!, gets an upgrade, confronts Sando at the prison the princesses are being kept at, and kills him.
Is he Magnificent?
Easily one of the second best parts of an entire, okay-at-best series. Sando never lets up his polite demeanor (although it admittedly starts to fall into Faux Affably Evil after the reveal), and while his deals are always obviously too good to be true they're so plain and reasonable that you're willing to take on the risk. And in the end, he's only beaten by bullshit protagonist powers he had no way of seeing coming.
Is he a Bastard?
Works for Satan.
Got one more for this work, give me a bit to finish him up.
Yes to Sando.
Goku Black
Sando
The Moron
Yep to the Rogue Knight and Sando
Now, I just finished season one of The Purge, and I have as many as three potentials, so to prevent the pending from getting too huge, Imma knock the other show off my list real quick:
- 1-800-Missing: "Mr. Nobody": The imposter is a mysterious hitman who works to ensure he won't go down for his crimes. Hired to assassinate Seth Peters, the imposter kidnaps Martin Hallenbeck, a nobody, and begins a weeks-long effort to frame him for Peters' murder, planting incriminating evidence on forums in Martin's name and legally buying a rifle in Martin's name. When seen by Rebecca Flynn, he kills her to cover his tracks before hiding her body, staying ahead of the FBI even when the murder sets them on his trail. Later on planting evidence pointing towards a false target to buy himself some time, the FBI play along until the last moment, leading to the imposter almost succeeding in his plan.
Lies and Violence!
Trillian
Hailing from a race of Eldritch Abominations called torivors, Trillian grew bored of living in eternity and departed from his home universe with another torivor, Nazeem. The two ended up in the Outskirts and, faced with new and exciting concepts such as death and finite time, decided to take over. Unfortunately, before they could get used to their new physical forms, the two were imprisoned, becoming mythical boogeymen as the centuries went on.
Unfortunately, that wasn't quite enough to completely remove their influence. Within his prison, the Lost Palace, Trillian rules as an absolute god. Many who seek knowledge from the torivor pledge themselves to his loyal Red Guard, and every Grand Shaper ("governor" of the kingdom of Elloweer) or enchanter of any consequence throughout history has been personally trained by him at some point in their lives.
Making his debut in the second book with our friend the Rogue Knight, Trillian has his Red Guard kidnap Honor and bring her to the Lost Palace. Cole and friends go to save her... which is a bit difficult because of, you know, the whole "absolute god" thing. While he's cut off from the outside world, anyone who steps inside his prison opens their mind to Trillian. He and Cole have a pleasant and surprisingly forthright conversation, with the torivor providing a bit of worldbuilding and explaining his origins. Learning of the threat of the evil school teacher (again, please don't ask), Trillian agrees to give them a chance to save Honor if they succeed in a trial (dude's bored I guess, if you have to help the brat tweens who barge into your house might as well make them work for the help).
He places them in three illusions from their pasts, with Honor disguised as a sentient creature in the simulation. They must identify her before getting killed by a giant monster... which, unbeknownst to them, is actually the princess (who thinks she's in a completely different simulation and doesn't even realize someone's here to rescue her). They eventually figure it out and Trillian lets them go, sending them to find a former Grand Shaper who can help stop the evil teacher.
He pops up again in the final book, when Cole and friends are looking for ways to defeat Nazeem. He confirms that sending a torivor to Earth would completely depower it, and since Nazeem can also reads minds, erases their knowledge of this. Since they have a pathway to Earth ready, he reconstructs their memories so that Cole's allies want to offer this new world to Nazeem in the vain hope he'll just leave them alone. It begins to work, but Cole brings too much attention to himself and Nazeem reads his mind, discovering the blocked memories.
Fortunately he uses SPECIAL MAGIC PROTAGONIST POWERS!! and the sky castles (oh my god, they were relevant again!) to kill the other torivor.
Is he Magnificent?
Torivors can't lie, partially because they'd literally die and partially because they just don't see any point in it, but where Nazeem turns that trait into gloating smugness Trillian uses it to add to his charm. He's incredibly forthright and will explain the mechanics of magic in-depth if the person he's talking to is curious. The only times he's ever obstructive are when he kidnaps Honor and does the weird simulation stuff; every other interaction he's nothing but helpful and supportive. All of this, of course, is to subtly manipulate events to his benefit, and while we never see the outcome of it it's clear he's taken advantage of the fight against Nazeem to set up some sort of long-term plan.
...Either that or he was just getting Cole in the right mindset needed to win, hard to tell.
His plan to stop Nazeem admittedly falls apart within seconds, but at the same time it was within seconds of succeeding and some of his dialogue before the climax indicates he'd already figured out their backup plan before they even knew they'd need one, so I'd say it's fine.
Is he a Bastard?
Coinciding with his inability to lie, Trillian doesn't even attempt to hide his intention to conquer the world should he escape his prison, with little reasoning other than "fuck it, why not?" He admits he doesn't really know whether people would like his rule (it would be demanding in some respects but easier in others), and makes it perfectly clear that he's only helping stop Nazeem so there's less competition when he inevitably gets loose.
Goku Black
Trillian
Yes to Trillian.
Rogue Knight, Sando, Trillian.
You seem like you have an enduring love for this series Emerald...
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid
Lies and Violence!
Yeah, it's... something. I enjoyed it well enough when I was 13, but looking back now all the flaws are very noticeable. It's definitely not the author's best work, though I'll probably be giving those a reread too in a few months.
Yes to Sando and Trillian.
Professor Gigachad
I just noticed that RuneScape has a Complete Monster pothole to "Lowerniel's brutality". Lowerniel is approved but last I checked YMMV potholes aren't allowed.
CM Sandboxes, MB Sandboxes
Yes to our Five Kingdoms guys.
- Inside Job:
- "Ghost Protocol": Dr. Skullfinger is Rafe Masters' hammy but Affably Evil archnemesis, a criminal mastermind with a mind-control plan so good that Incognito Inc. sees him as a rival to be removed. When Incognito teams up with Rafe to arrest Skullfinger, Skullfinger reveals that he can break out of prison whenever he wants, engaging in a sincere conversation with Reagan Ridley that nevertheless ends with him successfully convincing her to essentially become a supervillain to break up with Rafe Masters. Skullfinger breaks out at the end and renews his rivalry with Rafe Masters, realizing for as suffocating as Rafe is, they're soulmates.
- Sushi Girl: The eponymous sushi girl used to be a nameless young woman whose husband was brutally murdered by a gangster named Duke during a botched diamond robbery. The woman manages to abscond with their diamonds and uses her funds to plan an elaborate revenge for six years, setting up a reunion with Duke's gang and posing herself as a sushi girl to ensure she's right at the heart of the meeting. The sushi girl manages to play the entire gang against each other and have them wipe each other all out, before finally revealing to Duke that she paid off the chef to screw up the fugu to give her an avenue to paralyze, torture, and finally kill Duke for what he did to her husband.
- The Great Muppet Caper: Nicky Holiday, masquerading as an irresponsible, parasitic playboy by day, is actually a sneaky, devious master thief. Nicky makes off with the jewels of his own sister Lady Holiday, pinning the deed on Miss Piggy to walk off scot-free. Later, he stages an elaborate, near-successful robbery to steal the Baseball Diamond, an effort only thwarted by the Muppets catching onto his schemes. Despite being a total Card-Carrying Villain, Nicky sincerely falls for Miss Piggy, takes his defeat with grace and ends the film with an apology to her.
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Reginald and Silva.
You can only write so much in your forum signature. It's not fair that I want to write a piece of writing yet it will cut me off in the mid