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- Depending on a trope (or non-trope) in question, a wick check may be determined to not be required, such as for tropes that are not thriving (per the standards for trope health listed on the Wick page). However, there is no problem if you want to do one anyway.
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Apr 24th 2024 at 1:49:19 PM
One-Track Mind (he/him)
Posting to note that Hello 83433 has requested to be pinged alongside me when the Cloning Blues thread launches, since they helped me reorganize things in the wick check.
I'm lovin' it. (My Troper Wall)
the Retromancer
I'm okay cutting Hex Sign if other mods are okay, as it's a bit of a weird loophole to skip a thread.
Edited by Amonimus on Jun 8th 2023 at 10:13:06 PM
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
One-Track Mind (he/him)
I've got the spirit but lose the feeling
That should be a nobrainer with no TRS needed.
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/thumbs_up_emote.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
Cut
I brought it up in the mod chat just in case but I am personally fine with just snipping.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Hex Sign has been cut.
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
One-Track Mind (he/him)
![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
Permission to remove it from the queue?
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I already did that.
Anyway, I moved WTH, Casting Agency?'s sandbox to Questionable Casting (its new name) because that thread had kind of stalled, and the newest Trope Report listing the move as incomplete reminded me that I forgot to go back to that one, so maybe that thread can get moving soon, especially because there are no on-page examples to worry about during example cleanup.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 8th 2023 at 2:44:05 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I think that, even by Advertising Tropes standards, Up to __ or More is not thriving; correct?
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
It's definition-only, so wick count is irrelevant because it can't have examples. The Not Thriving label can only apply to pages that aren't definition-only.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 8th 2023 at 4:18:15 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.Does it serve a purpose?
I'd like to apologize for all this.
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
I think it does, because it's describing a type of Weasel Words in advertisements. Its wick count is just lower than the new threshold because it already disallowed examples before the threshold was lowered. However, if there's an argument that it doesn't serve a purpose, that would be a reason to take any definition-only page to TRS since wick counts are irrelevant for them.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 8th 2023 at 6:03:12 AM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
I added Heroes Want Redheads to the queue but I don't know what else to do with it besides "maybe we can make a trope from the ashes of this one". Other ideas?
I think it's related to Significant Green-Eyed Redhead (a trope that has come up a lot in "is this tropeworthy" discussions) in that I think it's trying to capture the phenomenon that creators will sometimes use unique or rare phenotype combinations as a way to highlight "this character is ~*~*different~*~*/special/noteworthy in this story" (This also applies to Significant White Hair, Dark Skin). So maybe one option could be to just redirect to SGER.
Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 8th 2023 at 7:57:25 AM
As I said in the Trope Talk thread, I think it's something akin to a trope in aggregate.
I would oppose redirecting it to Significant Green-Eyed Redhead, for the record, as that extends well beyond just love interests and I do think Heroes Want Redheads is correct insofar as its description positing reasons why red hair is specifically disproportionately common for love interests.
Edited by nrjxll on Jun 8th 2023 at 7:22:38 AM
But this trope only makes sense if you ignore the many MANY other examples of heroes going for blondes, brunettes, etc.
Tropes in Aggregate walk a very fine line between being tropeworthy and not tropeworhty, given that they're a class of tropes in which we're openly acknowledging that the logic behind them is kind of obscure/varied. My personal criteria if the intention behind a TIA isn't more concrete than speculation is to evaluate each part by comparison. In this case, there's two: 1) do heroes more than other characters across all works show a propensity for redheads and 2) do heroes show a bias towards redheads more than other hair colors? If the answer to either is yes, then there's grounds for it to stand.
But I feel like you'd be hard pressed to answer either question in the affirmative with any degree of confidence given Everyone Loves Blondes and Raven Hair, Ivory Skin also being a very prominent beauty standard dating back to even the Victorian era. I genuinely think red hair being a sign of specialness / uniqueness is about as far as we can reasonably take this idea as a TIA. People notice redheaded love interests simply because redheads in general are not that common in fiction and IRL, which is evidence towards the idea that "redheaded characters are typically important to the story in some way", but not much else
Edited by amathieu13 on Jun 8th 2023 at 11:56:47 AM
As I said in the TT thread, if we were to salvage HWR then we'd have to hammer out the reason for it, which may very well be covered by other tropes (Fiery Redhead, Has a Type, etc.) There may or may not be a potential trope for dating a person because of their "exotic" looks (such as a world where redheads are super rare) but IDK and again might already be covered by another trope.
I'll wait for the thread to discuss it more deeply.
CSP Cleanup Thread | All that I ask for ... is diamonds and dance floors
I've got the spirit but lose the feeling
I am wondering if TRS may be needed to change Australian Culture to Australian Media in line with the other country indexes after all (in which case I might put it in the waitlist). Last I saw, the TLP draft had been stalled for a long time and there apparently hasn't been an answer for an old discussion within this thread.
Edited by GrafVonTirol on Jun 9th 2023 at 3:46:00 AM
1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die (all editions) progress: 436/1089 (40.04%)
Just stoic wisdom.
Fewest wicks remaining: The Heroine (531), Authority Grants Asskicking (351), What The Hell Casting Agency (211), Acceptable Target (105), Electra Complex (38)
Closable upon completion: Surprise Creepy (635), Camera Screw (631), Surprisingly Good English (629), Power Walk (579), Overprotective Dad (533)
Thoughts: A bunch of projects were cleared out since I last updated, which is fabulous. Can't Refuse the Call Anymore (two trope descriptions to write here and here; 130 wicks) and Howling To The Night (trope description to finalize here; 73 wicks) are my recommendations for anyone looking to get another couple threads finished up.
Vehicle-Based Characterization | Grief-Induced Split | Locker Mail
Sounds good on paper (he/him)
Not to toot my own horn, but I feel like I accomplished something since I was able to knock out enough wicks for Surprisingly Good English for it to appear on that list. It started out with a four-digit wick count, then I knocked out some when clearing out Surprisingly Good Foreign Language's Related page (which I finished and cut since the main page was moved to SugarWiki.Surprisingly Good Foreign Language) and that turned out to be enough to get it down to the high three-digit range, and then I started going through its own Related page after that.
Edited by GastonRabbit on Jun 9th 2023 at 1:38:49 PM
Patiently awaiting the release of Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass.
Now a lurker. Thanks for everything. | he/him
I might do Camera Screw since it was my thread.
TRS Queue | Works That Require Cleanup of Complaining | Troper Wall
Musician/Composer
As indicated in this ATT, the Hypocrite trope might need a potential TRS thread.
the Retromancer
Well, anyone can start one, if they do a wick check.
TroperWall / WikiMagic Cleanup
I support cutting it.
ETA: I found the exact revision
that proves the person who made the Hex Sign page copied it from Wikipedia.
Edited by Walkinshadows on Jun 8th 2023 at 3:12:46 PM