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SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4126: Jul 12th 2017 at 2:47:04 AM

Just want to add my two cents, as I'm on the other side of the debate - Blood Bowl's a game that parodies NFL, American college football, and rugby culture, controversies, and play (the God worshiped is called "Nuffle", a lot of the team names reference existing NFL ones, like "Blood Bay Hackers", player names getting similar treatment like "Rhett Carve", after Brett Favre, "Tomolandy the Undying" named after jokes about Tom Landry being a coach forever, et cetera).

I'm arguing the example's valid, since it's based on various NFL controversies about "bounties", wherein players get paid to injure opposing players, through the year.

Do you have any evidence that is based on that though. This is a Warhammer Gaiden Game we are talking about, it might be Lighter and Softer but it wouldn't be Warhammer if people weren't being maimed and killed. The other examples are directly referencing things, this one isn't.

edited 12th Jul '17 2:48:29 AM by SebastianGray

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#4127: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:18:26 AM

[up] Sounds like it belongs under Parody Satire Pastiche, as it's clearly intended as satire. That is more specific than Shout-Out.

With respect to the Ghostbusters (2016) example, oh, gods no kill it. "The main characters are female" is only an Audience-Alienating Premise for the truly committed misogynists out there. I find that the film makes a really great asshole filter — as in, anyone who dislikes it for that reason is conclusively proven to be an asshole.

edited 12th Jul '17 5:19:59 AM by Fighteer

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SebastianGray (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4128: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:45:43 AM

[up] Sounds like it belongs under Parody Satire Pastiche, as it's clearly intended as satire. That is more specific than Shout-Out.

I have no problem with listing it as a Parody (I believe the games developers have specifically stated that it is a parody of contact sports), I was only questioning the specific example that CHLORINEGARGOYLE was giving.

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#4129: Jul 12th 2017 at 6:44:36 AM

Yes, I'm saying that it is not a shout-out if it is already a parody. "This thing, which is intended as a parody of contact sports, also contains shout-outs to contact sports," is an utterly redundant statement.

edited 12th Jul '17 6:44:43 AM by Fighteer

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#4130: Jul 12th 2017 at 7:03:56 AM

Yeah, absolutely not a Shout-Out. Parody, Ripped from the Headlines, sure, but not Shout-Out.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#4131: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:26:38 PM

Are the following examples from Digimon: The Movie being used correctly?:

  • Unintentional Period Piece:
    • Both this movie's soundtrack and the one for Pokémon: The First Movie serve as nice little late '90s music time capsules, but whereas Pokemon leans more towards bubblegum pop, Digimon is more on the alternative/pop-rock side, which much of the movie (and 02)'s music being in a skate punk style.
    • The movie itself as well, showcasing the latest in turn of the millennium consumer tech like bulky laptops, brick cellphones, PDAs, dial-up internet, low-res plasma monitors, VCRs...
    • It's also worth noting that the plot of Our War Game could never take place past the year 2005, largely courtesy of infrastructural improvements in Internet connectivity and the explosive propagation of cell phones.

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#4132: Jul 12th 2017 at 1:35:23 PM

Definitely an example, since the US version's soundtrack alone is basically a Top 40 list for its release. The plot, too, is definitely a product of its time, given the whole "oooh scary computer viruses" thing so prevalent around then.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#4133: Jul 12th 2017 at 2:01:18 PM

Does a Surprisingly Improved Sequel have to be a sequel, or can Continuity Reboots qualify, because the following has been recently added to Spider-Man: Homecoming:

ADrago Since: Dec, 2015
#4134: Jul 12th 2017 at 3:26:32 PM

This example was just added to YMMV.ARMS:

  • Unintentional Period Piece: Kid Cobra could easily be summed up as this. He's an internet celebrity who does livestreams and his ending shows him taking a selfie with fans.

Other than it being on the wrong page (it belongs in Trivia), I don't feel this is a proper example, and the trope description for Unintentional Period Piece advises against adding examples for works less than 10 years old unless the situation is especially unusual.

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#4135: Jul 12th 2017 at 5:56:06 PM

That's not an example. It's too recent. and so far, the era of "livestreams and selfies" is still going ion.

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#4136: Jul 13th 2017 at 12:46:37 PM

From One-Punch Man:

  • Decon-Recon Switch: Although there's still a lot of humor and deconstruction going on, many of the later characters (like Zombieman) play their roles entirely straight.
    • The story begins as a Deconstruction of superheroes and Story-Breaker Power, but also works as a traditional superhero story with solid morals.
    • Saitama, when push comes to shove, is heroic. The deconstruction lies in putting heroes through a "system" which has lower-ranking heroes meet quotas to even maintain their status as a hero. S-class heroes might not be sent in to a real trouble spot because the higher ups don't see the situation below for what it really is. The politics one has to go through to maintain your status is also examined. Despite being the strongest man on the planet, people can still manipulate the system to make you look like a jackass. The sheer improbability of his strength leads people to question if Saitama's the real deal to begin with. The reconstruction lies in Saitama stepping up despite these hurdles, stating that you don't need any of that to be a real hero.

I don't think there's really a lot of "deconstruction" going on here. Saitama himself could be a deconstruction of shonen protagonists who strive to become stronger but then reach the top and have nowhere to go, but that's not even what the entry is claiming.

It's a blatant parody of superheroes, but not a deconstruction, in my opinion.

And the second bullet point is... it deconstructing its own unique system? That can't be right.

edited 13th Jul '17 12:47:02 PM by Larkmarn

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Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#4137: Jul 13th 2017 at 2:36:54 PM

So, does this example fit Translation Convention, even though in its description, it prevents Translator Microbes examples?

From the Description:

This is not a case of Translator Microbes, in which an in-universe device is performing actual translation: We are meant to assume that the characters are really speaking their own native tongue, and it is being translated purely for our benefit (or the benefit of the casting director who is then free to hire English-speaking actors), like the dubbing of English dialogue onto foreign-made films.

The Example in Question:

* Justified in The Familiar Of Zero, where Saito receives a magical translation effect as part of his summoning, allowing him to perceive all the other characters' speech as Japanese from the beginning. In the anime version this isn't present, though, so Saito isn't able to understand anything they say until she accidentally uses a translation spell. In the dub, they meet and ask each other what language the other is speaking in...in perfect English. The Japanese version had Saito speak with an echo effect applied to his voice until Louise spelled him.

Also in the PlayingWith.Translation Convention, it has Translator Microbes as a Justification:

Justified:
  • The setting uses either a magical or technological translation device that renders everything spoken into a language that the viewpoint character (and the audience) understands.

edited 13th Jul '17 2:37:31 PM by Malady

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Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#4138: Jul 13th 2017 at 3:06:23 PM

It is a passive spell that gives him the ability so it would count as Translator Microbes.

In the anime it was Translation Convention before the Translator Microbes spell was cast.

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#4139: Jul 13th 2017 at 4:17:23 PM

I got a question regarding the Chekhov's Gun entries I got for the Crisis (2017) article I made.

I'm not sure that if some of them are maybe better placed in the foreshadowing trope.

Also I realized that spelling and punctuation mistakes. That's what I get for making an article at one sitting at night. I won't be around for a while to make necessary edits since I need to be somewhere for the entire morning as part of my intern job.

edited 13th Jul '17 4:17:50 PM by Ominae

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#4140: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:42:15 AM

Is this a ZCE 'cause there's no proof from the text? Or does this fit? ... Presumably, at least the "this world included" should be removed, right?

Literature.Codex Alera

  • Can't Argue with Elves: Somewhat of an odd one. The "elves" (Marat) in this case are less technologically advanced than the humans and can't use the elementals. They do however, seem to have a much better understanding of philosophy and basic reason than most humans (this world included). They take for granted things that seem to elude the highest of all Alerans like killing and fighting until an entire walk of life is dead is insane and love will be love and you can either kill everyone or else stand aside.

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#4141: Jul 14th 2017 at 7:43:26 AM

[up] What the example fails to show is that the "elves" smugly declare their superiority to humans at every opportunity. That is, after all, the core requirement of the trope.

edited 14th Jul '17 7:43:45 AM by Fighteer

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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#4142: Jul 14th 2017 at 3:17:43 PM

the following Faux Action Girl example:

Mai of the original series fell mostly into Designated Victim territory - quite skilled, with impressive strategies and many victories offscreen, but her onscreen duels are almost all against either main heroes or main villains, who are invariably stronger and more plot-relevant than she is. She's clearly a powerful duelist, but her long string of bad luck gives her precious few wins to her name.

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jameygamer Since: May, 2014
#4143: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:17:11 PM

I'd like to ask, but do you think The Rat from Lady And The Tramp would count as a Knight of Cerebus? Every time that thing is onscreen, there is NO comedy whatsoever, especially since it kicks off a rather tense climax.

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#4144: Jul 14th 2017 at 8:49:37 PM

I think Knight of Cerebus only really makes sense when applied to serial works.

Malady (Not-So-Newbie)
#4145: Jul 16th 2017 at 9:11:40 AM

Are these Off-Model or some kind of Continuity Trope or what?

From Yu-Gi-Oh!: Main Characters:

    Examples 
* Kaleidoscope Eyes: Not as prevalent as Bakura, but his eye colour also varies between art. In the Toei anime the colour was red, which changed to purple in the second series. They've also been green, but it seems red is his most standard color in his official arts.
  • Kaleidoscope Eyes: His eye color (and hair color) is never consistent across adaptations. They're blue or turquoise in the manga, green in the Toei anime, blue, purple or silver in the video games, brown in the second-series anime, and magenta red in The Darkside of Dimensions.
  • Kaleidoscope Eyes: His eye color changes across adaptations, from purple in the manga and Toei anime to brown in the second-series anime. They've also been turquoise in cover art, varying shades of purple and pink in the video games, and are blood-red in Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Links.

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Anddrix Since: Oct, 2014
#4146: Jul 16th 2017 at 11:30:36 AM

It's been 4 days, so is there any chance someone could take a look at the example I posted above [up]x13

MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#4147: Jul 17th 2017 at 4:11:40 AM

[up]Well, the third paragraph of the description mentions continuity reboots... as sequels.

TheNerfGuy Since: Mar, 2011
#4148: Jul 17th 2017 at 9:23:38 AM

Would this actually be a a played with example of Amazon Brigade? Going by its definitions and even PlayingWith.Amazon Brigade, I'm still on the fence about this one.

  • Played with for the female-exclusive Morgana's Kin, an ancient organization dedicated to exploration and dimensional travel. They're less warriors and more like scientists, but will fight if the need arises.

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#4149: Jul 17th 2017 at 10:40:54 AM

Not as-written, no. An Amazon Brigade is a fighting force of females. This is, at most, a female force that may fight. There's a difference.

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MagBas Mag Bas from In my house Since: Jun, 2009
#4150: Jul 17th 2017 at 11:48:09 AM

{{4146}}I questioned in the trope description improvement drive thread. Considering that they removed the bit mentioning Continuity Reboot, the answer probably is "no"(about continuity reboots qualifying).

edited 17th Jul '17 12:28:44 PM by MagBas


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