Is this an example?

Recently added to Dated History:

• Science Marches On has a subpage for the Walking with... series, including some related to changes in our understanding of human evolution.

Since human evolution is (obviously) prehistory, I don't think this counts?

It did have a bit of an overarching threat from the Board of Shadowy Figures alongside the Love Triangle drama. The season finale ended on a cliffhanger for both of these plots. It didn't take itself too seriously but it did set up stuff that was never explored.

I recently added this to the Quotes page for Popularity Polynomial but I'm starting to wonder if it fits the Vindicated by History trope better, let me know where you think it belongs

Edited by Mariofan99 on Mar 12th 2023 at 11:42:10 AM

I know the trope is in TRS up but I have seen an example of the Lucky Translation trope. Since I havent written the example I have in mind I am going to contrast it with an existing example from Lost in Translation.

The Example is from Spongebob Squarepants.

• During the climax of "Can You Spare A Dime", Sponge Bob constantly emphasizes on the words "work" and "job" in order to convince the unemployed Squidward to get a new job. Many translations, such as Brazilian Portuguese, have completely different idioms that don't correlate with neither of these words (such as the "Two things in this house that don't work" line), thus making it seem like Sponge Bob has lost his mind from being mooched off and was sprouting non-sequiturs.

In Spanish job and work DO correlate, sure the pun where Spongebob says "Two things in this house that don't work" but otherwise this translates much better in Spanish.

Found this example in Men Act, Women Are.

• Kotori from Yu-Gi-Oh! ZEXAL counts because she only duels once, while possessed, and the rest of the time her role is literally cheering Yuma on. Granted, most of Yuma's friends are only capable of cheering him on in duels since most of them lack hyper-advanced quasi-magical technology, strange psychic powers due to being a reincarnated alien, or a magical artifact, but Kotori is the only one who never holds her own plotline, never has an episode dedicated to her, and generally just tags along to shout Yuma's name and get kidnapped.

I found this They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character on YMMV.Scream VI:

• Mindy, a divisive character coming off five, witnesses the brutal and emotional murder of her girlfriend by Ghostface. This would, potentially, have been a stellar opportunity to give her a character arc of becoming more sensitive and less callous, introducing more depth to Mindy. Instead, she forgets about her girlfriend entirely by the end of her next scene and simply returns to cracking jokes and making quips as if she did not watch a loved one die horribly.

This doesn't really sound like an interesting character who the film sets up but fails to properly explore. Like the trope is supposed to be. Unless I missed something. This isn't about the a character but a plot.

Is this close enough to Weld the Lock?

• The Palaververse: In Treaures, when Daring needs to stop her pursuers, she welds the hinges of a trapdoor to keep it from opening:
  That wouldn’t be enough, though, and she glanced around for its hinges, found them, and lurched over as she fumbled a multitool out of her saddlebags. She yanked out the blowtorch attachment, making her much-abused teeth ache anew, and laid it down upon the hinges before pressed down on the button that made the little magical flame shoot out from the side.
  It was dicey work, quickly passing it over the hinges to get them properly melted and beyond any hope of raising,

Sounds like an example to me.

From Umbridge's section in Characters.Harry Potter Ministry Of Magic:

• Berserk Button: Challenging Umbridge's authority in any way is enough to fill her with rage, becoming purple with fury when she discovers that Harry did an interview in which he talked about Voldemort's return despite her attempts to silence him and when Dumbledore casually tells her and Fudge that he isn't going to go to Azkaban, or when McGonagall tells Harry that he can become an Auror and tells him that she will help him even if it's the last thing she'll do despite Umbridge's objections.

Does this fit?

Does a Propaganda Piece have to be factually incorrect or negative? I'm sandboxing my first actual work page for the 1943 film Don't Be A Sucker. The film was produced by the United States Department of War and was definitely made to influence people's opinions during wartime, but I'm a little nervous about calling it a Propaganda Piece since the message is both anti-Nazi and anti-racism.

Would a film like this count, or no?

Edited by themayorofsimpleton on Mar 12th 2023 at 8:01:47 AM

It's possible for a Propaganda Piece to still have a good message, so I'd say it fits. As the main page itself points out the term "propaganda" is fundamentally neutral and it's more about unity of message. For a similar example, I'm in agreement with anti-smoking PS As but they would fall under the category of propaganda too.

Edited by AlleyOop on Mar 12th 2023 at 5:03:55 AM

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

Agreed. Why We Fight, another allied WWII film, is already on there (and I should probably add The First of the Few, now that this has reminded me of the trope).

Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 12th 2023 at 12:05:11 PM

From Fanfic.Raise:

• Nice Job Breaking It, Hero: Ironwood and the Arc-Ops immediately get Jaune out of Vacuo when he's attacked by the Crown, meaning they don't stay long enough to find out who's responsible. As a result of this, Gillian Asturias, one of the masterminds of the attack, is able to play on the public's outrage to lawfully insert herself into power, giving Jax an in into the government; by chapter 33, she's legally gotten Carmine out of Atlas custody, meaning she also now has her top ally back.

This is a very weak argument for this trope. The story doesn't indicate that anything will change if they stay. It operates under the mindset that because they is the protagonist they can solve anything, which sounds very meta to me.

Edited by SoyValdo7 on Mar 12th 2023 at 7:35:46 AM

Reposting

Trivia.Osomatsu San has this:

• Artist Disillusionment: Reiji Yamada speculated that the change of tone in the second season was intentional in order to push away that Fujoshi fanbase that the show had built up. Whether or not they succeeded too well is up for debate among viewers.

I'm pretty sure this is just Speculative Troping as, as far as I'm aware, there is no official conformation on the teams part regarding it. Any thoughts?

Can't find anything linking Reiji Yamada to Osomatsu-san. So I could only assume that he doesn't work in the production of the show, so yes, this will be Speculative Troping. I say cut it

@Bull Aside from Anika's death effecting how Mindy acts toward Ethan for the rest of the movie, I agree that that's more a Plot thing than Character thing.

ALSO on the YMMV for Scream VI, ~impracticaltroper deleted my They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character entry:

• While it didn't end up being surprising that Laura Crane (Samara Weaving) would be axed off almost immediately—to the point of indeed being the first victim as that implication would've come because of the minimal use of her in the trailer, the setup of her being a professor having studied Horror films and teaching the different things they've done over the years could've been a highly valuable asset to the group throughout the movie. Instead, her being tricked into the secluded, dark alley to be killed by a total Ghostface amateur indicates that she's not only not as clever as she seemed to be, but only ultimately just there as a glorified cameo due to both the particular actress and her previous film with the directors as well—same for Henry Czerny above.

The reasons they gave was that her being intended as the first victim trumps this and Mindy and Kirby already fill the role she could've played. I disagree because aside from perception that she could've been bigger in the story being reasonable, the intention with the writing is irrelevant when it comes to what the audience perceives. Rather than add it again, I wanted to bring it here to get the proper discussion to determine whether or not it goes back up—which is reasonable because it's based on opinion.

Moving for it to go back up. Will wait for approval first though. What say everyone?

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 12th 2023 at 7:16:14 AM

I would keep that cut, and cut the example brought up earlier on this page about Mindy.

Any particular reason on the Laura one? You mean have it stay cut or undo the cut? I'm confused.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Mar 12th 2023 at 8:10:32 AM

I mean it should not be put back.

Thank you clarifying. Why may I ask?

I thought about the Laura example and does it actually fit the "interesting character they failed to properly develop".

I wouldn't say so, no.

Everything "interesting" about her is already spelled out in her one scene: she's a giggly, fun film professor who is new to NYC and looking for a fun night out. She's also rather gullible.

The fact that she's likable while also being a bit dim is the whole point.

Edited by ArthurEld on Mar 12th 2023 at 8:44:56 AM

Those things making her more endearing beyond just a One-Scene Wonder. Her character is promising and that allows the desire for her to be expanded beyond just being a glorified cameo to be a more than reasonable request. That promise was not met.

It's also an opinion trope too.

Nobody's discounting your opinon.

At the moment, it just looks like consensus isn't with you.