Fixing Creator/ pages to remove personal tropes.

Yeah, it seems to be talking about her as a person being really nice which is not allowed to my knowledge.

Should the complainy ones be taken to the Removing bashing thread instead of here?

Edited by Bullman on Mar 23rd 2022 at 3:11:04 AM

From Heath Ledger:

• Nice Guy: Ledger seemed like a somewhat eccentrically passionate method actor but nevertheless a nice fellow who was rather considerate and generous.

This seems to be about him as a person.

From Joaquin Phoenix:

• Awesome Mc Cool Name:
  • His surname, Phoenix, is a mythological creature associated with fire and the sun. His first name, Joaquin, isn't too bad either. (It's pronounced "hwa-keen".)
  • Even his middle name, Rafael, sounds cool.
• Broken Bird: Some can see him as this (although more subdued) mainly due to his severe anxiety and obvious struggles when mentioning River.
• Cloudcuckoolander: Whether it’s due to his social anxiety or him intentionally acting this way, he’s been shown to be an oddball in public, especially in interviews.
• Nice Guy: Whilst definitely weird and very method, he has often shown himself to be a gracious, compassionate and friendly person that loves his family and friends.
• Reclusive Artist: Does do interviews occasionally but is otherwise far more content with being practically invisible to the media.

This seem to be about him about him as a person.

Yeah, I think all of those trope should be removed as they aren't talking about his roles.

Reclusive Artist can stay, that's Trivia.

I didn't think we could ever describe a creator as a Nice Guy or Nice Girl, since Nice Guy is indexed under NoRealLife.Morality Tropes.

We can't. We can only describe their roles as such, if being Nice is a common character type they play.

Francisco de Quevedo looks to be almost all ZCE Personals? I was going to scrub Long Name, then looked further.

Cut or what?

I'd say to keep the creator page, but cut all of the tropes that are explicitilly about him and comment out the ZCE.

Some of the ones from make Katie McGrath question if they fit.

• Does Not Like Shoes: She's often barefoot in her modelling shoots.
• Even the Girls Want Her: She has a very large lesbian fanbase from her appearance in Dates and roles in Dracula. This only grew due to the amount of Les Yay between Lena Luthor and Kara on Supergirl and her support of the SuperCorp ship.
• Mistaken Nationality: She's Irish, but because she works on British TV she nearly always plays British characters and her accent (noted as "Dublin Posh") isn't familiar outside Ireland, so a lot of people think she's British.
• Nice Shoes: She says she wears a lot of "skinny jeans and very high heels".
• Sibling Rivalry: On an outside scale — her older brother Sean is the guy in charge of VFX for Marvel films, and she plays a character on a TV show of rival company DC. They did work together on Irish film Tríd an Stoirm, though.

Like these seem to be about her as a person and not her roles. Though the Even the Girls Want Her does mention her roles. Opinions?

Even the Girls Want Her could be moved to an LGBT Fanbase example, albeit on-page and not a YMMV page. As for the rest, only Mistaken Nationality feels notable and properly used.

This example on Logan Lerman seems to be about him as person rather then his works?

• Prematurely Grey-Haired: His hair has started to show considerable grey even though he's only in his early thirties though it hasn't affected his fangirl following in the slightest.

Yeah, and it's got fangirl gushing too. Cut it. I'm surprised it's not NRLEP.

Edited by mightymewtron on Apr 18th 2022 at 4:50:48 AM

And it is gone.

I found this on Tara Strong:

• Older Than They Look: Tara is nearly 50, but could easly pass as 10-15 years younger.

Isn't this about her as a person as it doesn't mention any of her works. Is this good to cut?

Yeah, that's troping her as a person. I am good with cutting it.

Okay I cut it.

Good, as it also contains relative time "Tara is nearly 50," since examples aren't recent. Tara won't be nearly 50 forever.

Edited by Nen_desharu on Apr 25th 2022 at 10:05:32 AM

From Simu Liu:

• Surprisingly Good Foreign Language: Liu is fluent in English and Mandarin Chinese given that he lived in China until he moved with his parents to Canada at age 5.

This seems to be about him as a person instead of his work.

Yeah, that can go.

And it is gone.

Hey, I've done a few edits of the Todd Haberkorn page, but looking at it again it seems the whole page is kind of a mess. It seems to have been written almost entirely by one person in 2014 and hasn't really been changed to meet the current Creator page standards. It also at one point claimed he voiced Link, and took a You Tube skit at face value, which I had taken down last month.

I'm honestly thinking we should probably just wipe everything out and just leave the role list but I thought I'd ask here.

The tropes in the list that aren't about him as a person (and aren't ZCE/PCE are Colorblind Casting, Man of a Thousand Voices, and Pigeonholed Voice Actor.

Done.

Ian McDiarmid's has a lot of personal troping. The only ones that I'd leave on the page are Guttural Growler, Large Ham, Playing Gertrude and Star-Making Role, and even those probably need some rewrite because they lack context. May I cut the rest?

I could see keeping Dyeing for Your Art as well, but yes, you can probably cut the rest of the ones that you didn't single out to keep.