Real Life People Cleanup Project

James Spader's page has some troping of the man on it, along with a few Zero Context Examples. Commenting out the ZCEs.

I'm also still waiting for info on Warren Ellis and John Keston.

edited 29th Dec '17 2:19:36 AM by jameygamer

Creator.Jordann William Edwards is primarily troping himself, honestly the thing should probably be moved to the Tropers/ namespace. All his pages have a litany of problems, mind you.

Bumping to note that I have concerns about Spader, Ellis and Keston .

edited 6th Jan '18 7:17:51 PM by jameygamer

Okay, I've managed to find Laurence Olivier, and his page has a lot of tropes, some of which have the "misplaced trope" scales next to them.

Does this require any action?

Edit: Wrong thread.

edited 21st Apr '18 1:42:38 PM by Pichu-kun

I found this in Horrible.Other:

• The U.S. version of Kitchen Nightmares reached almost memetic status when it featured Amy's Baking Company, a bistro in Scottsdale, Arizona. The restaurant is a perfect example of how not to run a business in nearly every way possible. The owners are spiteful egomaniacs who believe everyone is conspiring against them and have no respect for their staff or customers. They've picked fights with customers who complained about the awful service they received, to the point where the police had to be called in. Over 100 staff members have been hired and fired since the restaurant's opening, many of whom were culinary school graduates who had more cooking experience than the owner. One girl was fired in front of the camera because she dared to question Amy (she was actually asking Amy to confirm the table the meal was suppose to go to). Samy tried to defuse the situation by telling her that she isn't fired (which makes it the only nice thing he did in the episode).
  
  They've also employed deceptive tactics such as stealing pictures of food off the internet to put in their menus and filling their shelves with desserts bought from other bakeries. Husband Samy even confessed to pocketing every tip meant for the waitresses, an action that is illegal in the U.S. To top it all off, Amy herself is an incredibly incompetent chef, taking hours to poorly cook a meal for a single customer. To date, it remains the only episode in the history of the US version where Gordon Ramsay called it quits and left before he could even begin to fix the place. If you're wondering how they manage to get customers at all, it's because they are right next to a movie theater.
  
  Since the episode aired, some customers have become curious if it's actually that bad. It is. In fact, due to the nearly memetic response, the show went back to the bakery at the start of the following season. Keep in mind that they dedicated an entire episode to revisiting Amy; this has never happened before as revisit episodes feature multiple restaurants. In this case, however, Ramsay did not come along, which was probably for the best... because it looks like nothing changed at all. In July 2015, Amy's finally closed, but the owners intend to go into other cooking-related ventures...

Most of the comments are about the staff of the restaurant rather than the restaurant itself. How could this be rewritten?

edited 10th May '18 3:48:18 PM by N1KF

Honestly? I'd say cut it entirely.

I've never liked that entry because I'm 100% convinced that the tropers who contributed to it (and anyone who talked about Amy's Baking Company online for that matter) have ever actually been to this restaurant. There's a reason the entry focuses on stuff shown on Kitchen Nightmares or on articles that followed, and never says anything regarding, you know, the fucking food: nobody's actually tried it.

The expert opinion of a Michelin-starred chef such as Ramsay should count for a little more than that of Joe Q. Blogs. Especially considering the fact that the owners were doing things like stealing menu pics and buying other bakeries' merchandise and then selling it at a markup as their own, which I'm fairly sure is at least actionable if not outright criminal.

edited 11th May '18 3:09:59 PM by Theatre_Maven_3695

Over on YMMV.Voltron Legendary Defender and its history a lot of people are troping heartwarming moments or connections with the fanbase by way of the real-life actors, IE "** Katie / Pidge's gender reveal scene, more specifically Shiro's reaction to it ("Owning who you are will make you a better Paladin"), takes on a new light when we find out that Shiro is gay. It's even more heartwarming as Pidge's VA came out as a lesbian after season 1 and later non-binary after season 6." Is stuff like that allowed or is it more like the 'no troping real life musicians' thing?

I can't speak with authority, but personally it sounds like troping RL to me.

Found a similar kind of entry on Trivia.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic.

"* Reclusive Artist: Little is known about the current life of Madeleine Peters, the voice of Scootaloo, other than that she currently lives in Baltimore and is trying to pursue a career in animation. Not helping matters is the fact that she's not as active online as her two partners Claire Corlett and Michelle Creber (her last Twitter post as of this writing was in December 2015) and that she doesn't attend conventions as often."

Reclusive Artist is supposed to be a Trivia trope. I don't see any real issues with that entry, as it seems to be following the requirements of the trope.

Maybe the trope itself could use a look-at, then—a lot of it feels kinda stalker-ish in terms of depth or 'when exactly was their last appearance' or 'why are they reclusive' instead of 'not much is known about this person.'

Creator.Doug Walker seems unusually long for a Creator page. Some of it seems to be troping his real life, instead of his work, and a lot of it seems really gushy.

FreudianTrio.Real Life is mostly troping Real Life people, plus the occasional shoehorn (while the bit about Plato is interesting, a Freudian Trio is a trio of characters, not concepts or groups).

The only entry that might be valid is Eminem, since his various personae are arguably fictional characters expressed through his songs. If valid, though, that would go under Music, not Real Life. That entry is a Zero-Context Example in any case.

Motion to cutlist the page.

Edited by HighCrate on Feb 1st 2019 at 5:02:47 AM

I support the cut. It's horrible. Agree about moving the Eminem example to music.

OOCIsSeriousBusiness.Real Life was recently brought up on this ATT thread.

I think it's an easy cut. It's pretty clearly troping Real Life people, and Real Life people aren't "characters." It's also showing ROCEJ problems.

My biggest issue is that it basically treats people as characters, which is a problem. It also brings up the issue of "what is 'serious business' in real life."

That said, the first example (the Colbert one) and a few others like the magician William Ellsworth Robinson where someone drops a stage persona to demonstrate something of importance" seem fine.

I'd be down with cutting the page but not (yet) making the trope NRLEP, moving examples of personas being dropped to the main page, and keeping an eye on it. If it flares up again (and honestly, it probably will) we can make it NRLEP.

Hm, true, we probably need to distinguish between comedy (stand-up comedy, sketches etc.) and troping real life.

People dropping stage personae to talk about serious issues (or getting shot) can go under whatever medium the stage persona is from (Live-Action TV, Standup Comedy, etc.).

There may be more examples like that which can be salvaged, but that's because they shouldn't have been under Real Life in the first place, not because the trope shouldn't be NRLEP.

I took an axe on Creator.Jaime Murray. Much gushing, much troping her as a person, much ZCE, much listing tropes relating to her single roles.

The NeverLiveItDown.Real Life page has a lot of what appears to be troping Real Life people. A lot of what's left is just plain shoehorning, like the idea that the entire nation of Canada is best known for residential schools.

I'm not seeing a lot to salvage here.

Edited by HighCrate on Mar 11th 2019 at 12:07:39 PM

Honestly, IMO, that trope should be IUEO and NRLEP because of complaining, cases where I see the word "probably" or something to that effect, Discredited Meme being a factor, and being redundant in many cases with Memetic Mutation. YMMV.The Emoji Movie is my favorite example of this.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/relatedsearch.php?term=Main/HeterosexualLifePartners

Heterosexual Life-Partners has over 120 links on the creator namespace. Usually these are used to trope actors as best pals with other actors. This violates the rule about troping people as if they were characters in works of fiction.

I'm deleting them (or trying to), but any help would be appreciated.

I can think of one acceptable usage on creator namespace: If the creator is a writer and it's a trope for work that doesn't have a separate page.

Can a real person be Ambiguously Brown or is that incorrectly troping real people? I've seen it listed on a few pages.