Ambiguous Name: The Other Marty

Reason for proposal: Character-Named Trope (coming from Back To The Future), and hence all issues associated with Character-Named Tropes would apply here. As "Marty" is a very common name, the trope title is non-indicative.

EDIT for some Evidence I can plate:

• A Google search using "Marty" yields 99,700,000 hits.
• Using "Marty 'Back to the future'" yields 3,110,000 hits, approximately at 3%.
• "Marty" is the diminutive of the boys' name "Martin", which based on SSA data, fluctuates between rank 113-258 in baby names, with no less than 1,000 per year (peaked at 1990, with 3,079).

SECOND EDIT: Wick Check has shown confusion between this trope and the similar The Other Darrin; out of the 129 wicks, 54 were clearly wrong (such as Firefly) or unclear (such as Trivia.Home Improvement). In here I define wrong or unclear as the aspect that the scenes by the old actor was reshot by the new actor was not included. Most of them involved a character used in pilot was recast.

THIRD EDIT: I have identified 10 more fictional characters having that name on TV Tropes. That, and we have a big trope called Marty Stu.

FOURTH EDIT: Wick Check at reply #13.

Proposed Page Action: Rename to Orwellian Recasting. I see this as somehow similar to Orwellian Retcon.

edited 29th Apr '12 4:35:09 PM by SamCurt

Redirects Are Free

Oh, and naming it after Orwell is somehow better?

I think George Orwell and Nineteen Eighty Four is more well-known to the general population. That said, I'm open to other names.

edited 29th Apr '12 2:13:18 PM by SamCurt

Unless there's under-use or misuse, what problem is the name causing?

Quoteth tha rulez:

You mean "substantial evidence" of actual confusion, or "substantial evidence" of a likelihood of confusion?

What I can give is:

• A Google search using "Marty" yields 99,700,000 hits.
• Using "Marty 'Back to the future'" yields 3,110,000 hits, approximately at 3%.
• "Marty" is the diminutive of the boys' name "Martin", which based on SSA data, fluctuates between rank 113-258 in baby names, with no less than 1,000 per year (peaked at 1990, with 3,079).

Out of this, I don't consider the word "Marty" is indicative of a certain Back To The Future character and can be recognized as anyone named "Martin"—not few in number—and hence I consider that an issue.

As described by the Trope Renaming Guidelines article, which should probably be read before suggesting a rename: substantial evidence of actual confusion, such as that the name is causing misuse, which is the most common problem associated with an unclear name.

Orwellian Recasting is a fine redirect but there's no need to change the primary name.

PS: Even if that comparison were relevant, the "control" search should be restricted to fictional characters named Marty, not all people named Marty. It's not, though.

v The similarity is intentional, and: what statistics?

edited 29th Apr '12 3:00:09 PM by rodneyAnonymous

I will give actual statistics later; but what I can see now is confusion between this and The Other Darrin.

EDIT: Added.

edited 29th Apr '12 3:22:26 PM by SamCurt

I have added the following information as evidence on the original post:

• Wick Check for Misuse
• The amount of "Marty" used as a fictional character's name.

If you group together wrong examples and unclear examples, the wick check doesn't say much. Could you make a list of those 54?

edit: Wikipedia says Rebecca Gayheart's scenes weren't used, so Firefly is correct.

edited 29th Apr '12 3:44:18 PM by abk0100

Have you read the Trope Renaming Guidelines article? Because it seems like the answer is "no". Also, "misuse" and "unclear" are two different categories. Also also, a good wick check is enumerated. (Not much difference between "There is a problem, take my word for it" and "I did a wick check, take my word for it.") Here is an example of a good wc: https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=1330174976020600100

edited 29th Apr '12 4:10:04 PM by rodneyAnonymous

@ 11 & 12: Full wiki check follows:

Wrong examples: (Defined to be example clearly said it's not reshot, or show format makes it unlikely.)

• Series.A For Andromeda: Wrong, as original actor was not even signed for.
• Theatre.Amadeus: Actor replaced before shooting.
• Characters.Bakugan: Clearly changes for the voice actor did not cause re-shooting.
• Trivia.Buffy The Vampire Slayer / Characters.Buffy The Vampire Slayer Regulars: Actor in pilot was never intended for the main series.
• Series.Charlies Angels: Planned actor did not act due to schedule conflicts.
• Disney.Chicken Little: Voice actor replaced after the script was re-written.
• Film.Dead Men Dont Wear Plaid: Body doubles Is Not An Example.
• Trivia.Gosei Sentai Dairanger: Seiyuu switched post-trailer, but the trailer was not reshot.
• Trivia.Neon Genesis Evangelion: Anime seldom has "reshot" in the usual sense; any voice actor change mid-series is The Other Darrin.
• Trivia.Oswald The Lucky Rabbit: "Oswald's voice actor would occasionally change in the middle of the cartoons."
• Series.Seinfeld: Replaced after pilot. Unlike films, this is unlikely.
• Disney.The Black Cauldron: Voice actor was suddenly changed mid-movie.
• The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus: Cause was The Nth Doctor and does not belong to this trope.
• Main.The Late Late Show: A live TV show is unlike to be reshot.
• Film.The Lord Of The Rings: Actor replaced before filming.
• Trivia.The Phantom Of The Opera: All examples involved actor.singer change beforehand.
• Film.The Toxic Avenger: No re-shooting.
• AvatarTheLastAirbender.TropesI-P: Previous voice actor only voiced in un-aired pilot.
• Main.Undercovers: TV show and no clear discussion on unshooting; unlikely.
• Trivia.VR Troopers: As above
• Film.Were Back A Dinosaurs Story: No indication John Malkovich done any voice acting.
• Series.Whitney: Post-pilot, pre-airing cast change. Given it's a TV show, this trope is not likely.

Unclear examples: (Zero Context, or Cast change is mentioned but gave no further details.)

• Trivia.Alien and Film.Alien : it was unclear if there are reshooting.
• Main.Annie Get Your Gun : Only actor replacement referred to.
• Trivia.Batman The Animated Series :Only actor replacement referred to.
• Series.Being Human: Only recast referred to.
• Trivia.Brave As above.
• Film.Bride Of The Monster as above.
• Main.Carousel as above.
• Main.Dirty Dancing as above.
• Series.Full House as above.
• Series.Growing Pains : Zero Context.
• Trivia.Home Improvement : only referred to actor change.
• Mighty Morphin Power Rangers : as above.
• Trivia.Mighty Morphin Power Rangers : as above.
• Main.Music Of The Heart : as above.
• Neighbours: as above.
• Series.Reaper : as above.
• Film.Return Of The Jedi : Zero context.
• Trivia.Revenge: only recasting mentioned.
• Anime.Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann : Anime dub distributor change.
• Trivia.The Fugitive: Only recasting referred to.
• Characters.The Godfather : as above.
• Characters.The Hobbit : as above.
• Trivia.The Hunt For Red October : as above.
• The Truman Show: as above.
• Trivia.The Wizard Of Oz : As above.
• Series.Thirty Rock: As above. Also unlikely due to the nature of TV dramas.
• V: Zero Context.
• Trivia.You Only Live Twice: Only recasting referred to.

edited 29th Apr '12 4:34:18 PM by SamCurt

22/129 = ~17% (but not sure the "post-pilot" wicks are wrong, excluding: 19/129 = ~15%)

Also, use # instead of * for a numbered list.

edited 29th Apr '12 4:28:38 PM by rodneyAnonymous

OP failed to state a fully thought OP. No large scale misuse shown. Locking.