Trope Description Improvement Drive

Re Afro Asskicker I think the second and first paragraphs should be switched as the second one is more to the point about what the trope is. I also feel like the bit about Jive Turkey is confusing it a bit with Uncle Tomfoolery — Jive Turkey is specifically about speaking in a cascade of 1950's era AAVE slang, while Uncle Tomfoolery is the general trope for "humorous Black stereotype".

I don't see how it's complainy except for the first line, which is inserted just to reference What Kind of Lame Power Is Heart, Anyway?.

Though the description is slightly repetitive, the 3rd paragraph basically repeats what the 2nd one already said.

• 2nd paragraph:

• Second line of the 3rd paragraph:

In short: it needs a trim.

Edited by selkies on Jul 16th 2021 at 10:59:28 PM

Edited.

Narcissist potholes "vanity" to Pride... While Vanity is a Narcissist redirect...

Is Vanity different from Narcissist? Or not?

No, they are synonyms. Vanity and pride (arrogance), however, are two different things, and vanity shouldn't be potholed to anything in a trope that already talks about vanity/narcissism.

Remove the pothole.

"Vanity" better belongs as a redirect to pride than narcissist, IMO. The latter has more specific exaggerated (and clinical) connotations.

EDIT: Orrrr maybe I got it mixed up? Could've sworn I'd heard "vanity" and "pride" used interchangeably.

Edited by mightymewtron on Jul 18th 2021 at 5:00:46 AM

Well, that's a tie, anyone else on what Vanity is?

Anyone against removing the bit on Our Pixies Are Different, that calls itself a Sub-Trope of Our Fairies Are Different?

Because this is all about monster naming, and nothing about that has pixies needing to be called fairies?

The description of Five-Token Band is quite complainy, mentioning multiple times the reasons this trope could be done badly.

I don't blame you for confusing them because pride — narcissism — vanity all seem like semantic synonyms.

It feels more of a thread than a trope description. For example, this paragraph should be moved to an analysis page as it's not relevant to fiction:

Vanity is entirely about appearance, and narcissism covers more than that. Pride is the same desire as narcissism, but can be used in a complimentary sense while narcissism is always pejorative. Narcissism is often thought of as pride that doesn't know where to stop.

Yes, I don't know why narcissism redirects to vanity when narcissism is way deeper amd complex than vanity. Same for pride and arrogance. Arrogance is a negative trait and a flaw while pride isn't always bad. But this is a conversation for another thread.

With regards to All There in the Script and All There in the Manual...the trope description for the latter says that it covers info revealed in "supplemental material" (which is a pretty broad term). However, later in the same description, it says that "All There in the Script is a closely related trope for when the names of characters or other things are not revealed within the work, but can be found in other materials such as production scripts, supplemental material, closed captioning, etc."

So, which one should "supplemental material" info go under? And what exactly should count as supplemental material? Spin-off books, press releases, websites, merchandise, etc.?

Edited by PacificGreen on Jul 21st 2021 at 9:37:48 AM

Screenwriting Scripts are more Production Material, I'd call it?

Vs.

A Manual as Attached Materials, like Feelies?

Night.

Yeah, "script" should be stuff like the screenplay, credits, storyboard, and other production material, while supplemental material is the stuff put out for fans to see.

Also, All There in the Script says it's only about character names, but there are entries like this:

Do you think it needs a better name?

No, I think it could stand to be broadened, much like All There in the Manual is.

Grammar Nazi needs to better reglect that it is in-universe only. It can, however, mention that the name originated as an internet term.

Is it IUEO?

It is not.

Um, I meant more that it is not meant to be an internet trope.

Edited by Delibirda on Jul 22nd 2021 at 5:42:17 PM

Oh, yeah, that's a good point. I guess it was originally meant to be in Wiki Tropes, but it can be reworked to be more about characters with this trait.

Excactly!

The thing about being "In-Universe" is that pretty much all normal tropes are In-Universe without it being outright stated. Because they're tropes, they happen within the narrative of a work, and the In-Universe distinction is intended for tropes that can also be used as audience reactions (i.e., Annoying Laugh, Hypocrite, Dude, Not Funny!, etc).

I think people keep getting it confused with NRLEP, which isn't the same thing. An In-Universe trope can technically still allow Real Life examples since the "narrative" would be reality itself.

As for Grammar Nazi, shouldn't that be discussed at the TRS thread for Wiki Tropes?

Edited by WarJay77 on Jul 22nd 2021 at 4:38:14 AM

There's a draft being made for similar characters to catch misuse in "Not So Different" Remark and Foil. And thus, I created Sandbox.Foil, where I reworded some confusing lines and removed redundancy. What do you guys think?

Much better; I am in support (as the sponsor of that new trope, hah)