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I think it's trying to say that people dismiss the book as quirky nonsense, but it actually discusses serious issues. I feel like this could be said in a more concise manner.
What I mean is that tackling serious issues is not at all exclusive with being pretentious. Only if people actively do not know the point of the book would it really work.
I found this example from the page for The Clash:
"The band's reputation of not being total assholes in interviews and their strong respect for their audience only adds to the vast amount of richly deserved respect directed at the group."
That seems like a example of Creator Worship bleeding into the trope pages. That is not something we need on a trope page in general.
I think it's more bashing by implication most groups in whatever their genre is than actual praise. Still needs to go obviously.
Found this on the page for Grunge:
""Grunge" is a form of Alternative Rock. A very popular one, at that. Without this genre the vast majority of us wouldn't know the Alternative Rock bands we listen to today, since Grunge broke it out of its niche/underground status and into the public eye."
Did the troper who wrote the description ever hear of R.E.M.? They had hits such as "Stand" before Grunge even invaded the mainstream!
Literally half the page is gushing (with a little bit of bashing of other genres' artists too).
Creator.Rare is very gushy, especially in its second and third paragraphs.
Remove the gushing from those paragraphs.
I found these on YMMV.iDubbbzTV
Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 12th 2021 at 5:39:43 AM
Cut it all.
I think it just needs to be rewritten, not cut entirely. At least the Awesome Moments could stay — Memetic Badass seems to be gushing without much of the "memetic" aspect.
Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 12th 2021 at 9:55:12 AM
Well, that's assuming the page doesn't get cut as "non tropeworthy".
I'm not sure about the Awesome Moments, because they serve as backhanded complaining to the subjects in question. There's even a meta moment in the Keemstar one.
I might need to bring iDubbbz page to ATT to see if I can get more of a consensus on what to do.
Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 12th 2021 at 12:59:38 PM
From Mascot with Attitude.
We leave it as that, or change it to "They're about 20 years late to the party, but became really popular!"?
Edited by Tomodachi on Oct 15th 2021 at 6:44:01 AM
Yeah changed it to "became quite popular."
Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Oct 15th 2021 at 6:54:54 AM
Found this on the page for Arcade Fire:
"The band's third album, The Suburbs was awarded the 2011 Grammy for Album of the Year, which many music writers claim is a Moment of Awesome for the band, their label Merge Records, and independent music as a whole."
I doubt it ended up being a "moment of awesome" in the long run, as their music became slowly more commercialized and ended in Everything Now being a polarizing affair. Should I cut this section?
It doesn't matter if they got worse after time or whatever. The issue there is that it's a meta example.
Okay then, we'll cut it.
This from Cliché Storm:
I say remove the Justifying Edit part, comment out the work name.
I stumbled across Mutant Ninja Turtles Gaiden, the last non-maintenance edit was in 2016 and the page has issues:
-Praise in the description.
-The hosting website is gone, but it is still on the artist's DeviantArt account.
I can make some cleanup, however I have not read it, so I'd like to know if I can ask for help from those who have.
I have cleaned up as much as I could, and I am contacting old contributors to the page for help.
On Danger & Eggs, in the main description:
The show is notable for being the first animated series ever (co-)created by a trans person (trans woman Shadi Petosky) and featuring a significant amount of explicit and unambiguous LGBTQ representation in a family-friendly cartoon series with the primary demographic of kids ages 6-11, even more directly than its contemporaries.
I believe there's a policy of no reception on the main page, but this one also seems to be comparing it somewhat favorably to other shoes of its time, which seems arguable. Cut or change?
Edited by PacificGreen on Oct 25th 2021 at 9:12:06 AM
Just cut the wicks to other shows so it's less of a targeted "we're better than you" and more just explaining the context of its creation, which I think is fair game.
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How well does it match the trope?