Removing Gushing from the Wiki

I think it's trying to say that people dismiss the book as quirky nonsense, but it actually discusses serious issues. I feel like this could be said in a more concise manner.

• Misaimed Fandom: As the book and film were reduced to "quirky (pretentious) introvert" stuff, the massive backlash tends to ignore that Perks actually discusses issues like sexual abuse and post traumatic stress.

What I mean is that tackling serious issues is not at all exclusive with being pretentious. Only if people actively do not know the point of the book would it really work.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

I found this example from the page for The Clash:

"The band's reputation of not being total assholes in interviews and their strong respect for their audience only adds to the vast amount of richly deserved respect directed at the group."

That seems like a example of Creator Worship bleeding into the trope pages. That is not something we need on a trope page in general.

I think it's more bashing by implication most groups in whatever their genre is than actual praise. Still needs to go obviously.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

Found this on the page for Grunge:

""Grunge" is a form of Alternative Rock. A very popular one, at that. Without this genre the vast majority of us wouldn't know the Alternative Rock bands we listen to today, since Grunge broke it out of its niche/underground status and into the public eye."

Did the troper who wrote the description ever hear of R.E.M.? They had hits such as "Stand" before Grunge even invaded the mainstream!

Literally half the page is gushing (with a little bit of bashing of other genres' artists too).

Creator.Rare is very gushy, especially in its second and third paragraphs.

If a tree falls in the forest and nobody remembers it, who else will you have ice cream with?

Remove the gushing from those paragraphs.

I tried.

I found these on YMMV.iDubbbzTV

• Memetic Badass: He's built up a reputation of being one to mainstream Youtube channels thanks to his Content Cop series. When you see a popular YouTuber that is particularly bad or controversial, Ian is frequently cited as someone to tear them a new one because his series is just that detailed and well-researched and utterly scathing, often crippling the viewerbase and reputation of his subjects.
  • In addition, Ian always knows how the YouTubers he is doing a Content Cop on will react and notes it in his videos how they will respond before the YouTuber in question responds EXACTLY as he predicted they would. Bonus points if he ends up doing a second The Reason You Suck video afterwards because the response to his Content Cop was just that poorly thought out.
• Moment of Awesome: Pretty much all the Content Cop content is this: Ian critiques YouTubers he feels are either being assholes/making the community bad/did something incredibly bad that they try to pretend didn't happen. Examples include:
  • His slam towards Tana Mongeau after she said some rather rude and spiteful things to him and said he should lose his fans/break his legs all for saying the N-Word in an argumentative context along her own hypocrisy.
  • Utterly ripping Keemstar apart for his attacks to other YouTubers for petty things, saying he doesn't use his platform to attack others but doing it and overall being a very cruel person to the YouTube community.
    • As a matter of fact, when the video was uploaded, the biggest YouTubers (including Game Grumps, Jack Septic Eye, PewDiePie, and h3h3productions) were all together in a hotel and happily huddled around the laptop to watch the Keemstar Content Cop over and over again. Ethan of h3h3 compared the experience to watching Star Wars with friends for the first time.
  • His video on Leafy and calling him out on bullying other YouTubers after the TOMMYNC2010 incident.
  • The RiceGum video after he made some very hypocritical comments such as not recording people on his streams when he does and then asking for the same after smashing someone's phone at a YouTube party. It ends with a RiceGum-style diss track that includes a cameo from PewDiePie.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 12th 2021 at 5:39:43 AM

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

Cut it all.

I think it just needs to be rewritten, not cut entirely. At least the Awesome Moments could stay — Memetic Badass seems to be gushing without much of the "memetic" aspect.

Edited by mightymewtron on Oct 12th 2021 at 9:55:12 AM

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Well, that's assuming the page doesn't get cut as "non tropeworthy".

Current Project: Incorruptible Pure Pureness

I'm not sure about the Awesome Moments, because they serve as backhanded complaining to the subjects in question. There's even a meta moment in the Keemstar one.

I might need to bring iDubbbz page to ATT to see if I can get more of a consensus on what to do.

Edited by PlasmaPower on Oct 12th 2021 at 12:59:38 PM

Thomas fans needed! Come join me in the the show's cleanup thread!

From Mascot with Attitude.

• Splatoon's Inklings are a very deliberate modern attempt at one of these: squid-kids with attitude who participate in heated Turf War games, listen to rock music, liberally slather their dialogue with early '90s slang, and are rarely seen without some variation of the Dreamworks Face... and in between all of that, they still have the capacity to look absolutely adorable. They're about 20 years late to the party, but we love 'em anyway.

We leave it as that, or change it to "They're about 20 years late to the party, but became really popular!"?

Edited by Tomodachi on Oct 15th 2021 at 6:44:01 AM

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.

Yeah changed it to "became quite popular."

Edited by Cutegirl920fire on Oct 15th 2021 at 6:54:54 AM

Victor of HGS S320 | "There's rosemary, that's for remembrance. Pray you, love, remember."

Found this on the page for Arcade Fire:

"The band's third album, The Suburbs was awarded the 2011 Grammy for Album of the Year, which many music writers claim is a Moment of Awesome for the band, their label Merge Records, and independent music as a whole."

I doubt it ended up being a "moment of awesome" in the long run, as their music became slowly more commercialized and ended in Everything Now being a polarizing affair. Should I cut this section?

It doesn't matter if they got worse after time or whatever. The issue there is that it's a meta example.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Okay then, we'll cut it.

This from Cliché Storm:

• Detention — however, the characters are memorable enough that it's worth checking out.

Gushing and no context? Comment this out or delete it?

I say remove the Justifying Edit part, comment out the work name.

I stumbled across Mutant Ninja Turtles Gaiden, the last non-maintenance edit was in 2016 and the page has issues:

-Praise in the description.

-ZCEs.

-The hosting website is gone, but it is still on the artist's DeviantArt account.

I can make some cleanup, however I have not read it, so I'd like to know if I can ask for help from those who have.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

I have cleaned up as much as I could, and I am contacting old contributors to the page for help.

Stories don't tell us monsters exist; we knew that already. They show us that monsters can be trademarked and milked for years.

On Danger & Eggs, in the main description:

I believe there's a policy of no reception on the main page, but this one also seems to be comparing it somewhat favorably to other shoes of its time, which seems arguable. Cut or change?

Edited by PacificGreen on Oct 25th 2021 at 9:12:06 AM

Just cut the wicks to other shows so it's less of a targeted "we're better than you" and more just explaining the context of its creation, which I think is fair game.

I do some cleanup and then I enjoy shows you probably think are cringe.

Done.