Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Hmm. Scraggle does have a point. Maybe we should just cut the Desperate Housewives and Nikita entries and link to the thread.

edited 29th Sep '14 9:24:26 PM by TVRulezAgain

Like I suggested

Alright. Does anyone object to that?

No, I don't object to it, and I also meant that if the Dark Princess is disqualified we could put her in the Vile Villain, Saccharine Show trope. Sorry for the confusion.

I would also like to state that I'm keeping a watch on the Annabelle film.

edited 29th Sep '14 11:39:46 PM by AustinDR

I'll do the tweaks for the ones in my sig hopefully today, this weekend the latest. BTW, the Anime subpages and Doc. Who ones to be swapped tomorrow.

Hey, you may remember my earlier proposal for Felix from Red Vs Blue. Well, it's the end of the season. So tell me, does he count as a Complete Monster? What he has done so far is manipulate an entire civil war on , and get enjoyment out of killing people. He absolutely has no quelms with murdering people get a paycheck.

Odd that a character from Rainbow Brite has been propoed and so far there have been o objections. In fairness, the princess is a major case od Stupid Evil since she too would diamond planet from its foundation. Her other biggest act of evil is when this robotic flying horse comes to save Rainbow Brite, and the princess threatens to throw Rainbow Brite and a boy she captured off her balcony to there deaths if the robot does not surrender.

I guess it depends on the era in which the show was released. Many children's shows were either very dark, or had tried to subvert the Animation Age Ghetto that was established at the time. An example of this has to be Tirek from Generation 1 of MLP. He is shown torturing ponies on screen in order to turn them into his winged abominations, and he also makes constant death threats, and is perfectly willing to cut a young boy's head off if he didn't get his way.

The special that he appeared in was surprisingly violent for a girl's show, to say at least. Heck, at the end, he gets cut in half by a rainbow, of all things. So what exactly did the Dark Princess do, since I never watched Rainbow Brite?

edited 30th Sep '14 5:16:53 AM by AustinDR

And the TV Sandbox is cutlisted

Nice work everyone

edited 30th Sep '14 8:46:08 AM by ACW

I'll lean yea to Bavmorda....since evil duos are all the rage these days, I've got a pair, from Mark Smylie's The Barrow named Gilgwyr and Leigh

Who Are They?

It's best to explain some background. The Barrow is set in a fantasy land called The Known World with a really long history, and multiple lands and cultures. In the past, there were sorcerous tyrants called The Worm Kings who were overthrown and destroyed by the Dragon Kings- ancient kings and heroes chosen by the gods. In the present, the Dragon Kings are extinct and the kingdoms are ruled by the Seated Kings- chosen by the Sun Court to create new lines (think a powerful priesthood). OF the gods, however, there are Gods known as the Forbidden Gods who are the darker sort. Their worship is forbidden and those who do follow them are known as the Nameless Cults.

The hero of the story is Stjepan Black-Heart, an adventurer and rogue who is questing to the mysterious barrow and the treasure within along with his companions. His companions at the start are Lovable Rogue Gilgwyr, a group of warriors and a woman pretending to be a male warrior named Erim with issues...okay, everyone has issues. So they find the barrow, get inside aaaaand...something kills and eats everyone but Stjepan, Gilgwyr and Erim. Stjepan seals the barrow and gets the hell out of dodge. Circumstances lead to him assembling a new team to go back and find the lost treasure.

Which leads us to our candidates: the sorcerer Leigh and not-so-lovable-after-all rogue Gilgwyr. Both are members of the Nameless Cults who have a hidden agenda: to revive the dead monster hidden in the Barrow, an Evil Sorcerer named Azharad: worshipper of the forbidden Gods who carved out a nice swath of territory back in the day, though also feared for his cannibalism and cruelty. Stjepan and team, consisting of Erim, a band of mercenaries and a young woman named Annwyn (also with serious issues) return, at which point Gilgwyr and Leigh betray the team and kill most of the party. It's revealed their goal is to resurrect Azharad and unleash him on the world. The end result will be the total annihilation and subjugation of the world in an orgy of blood, death, despair, cannibalism and rape. Leigh is in this entirely for petty greed and revenge against the magicians for kicking him out of their club. Gilgwyr is in it for kicks.

What Do They Do?

Besides waking up the undead genocide-machine to destroy and eat everyone it can? Gilgwyr murders every merc he can get his hands on when he double-crosses Stjepan and the others. He and Leigh also awaken and control the ghouls hidden in the Barrow in a bit of a three part atrocity. They kidnap Annwyn's maid and torture her horribly to death (including by cutting off her eyelids so she's forced to watch their enjoyment). The two leave Erim and a luckless squire to be eaten alive by the ghouls (Erim mercy-kills the poor guy when they begin chowing down and escapes). The ritualistic sacrifices are pretty horrible ends, too.

Gilgwyr is also something of a sexual extortionist. He runs a brothel and gambling den where his favorite activity is letting young men get in over their heads for debt to the point where they're begging him to do anything to lower the debt (he makes it a point of pride that they're the ones who suggest things instead of him). He also runs particularly twisted parties where a priestess of the goddess of perversion abuses and violates one of his girls with a unicorn's horn (though he does have her fixed up later, more on this after). Leigh is the more intelligent and far-thinking of the thing. When they corrupt Annwyn, they have Stjepan held captive and prepare for Azharad's revival in three parts: flesh to feed him, a bride to be bedded and a heroic spirit to be corrupted. Stjepan's soul is to be offered for the third. Annwyn for the second. Of course, Leigh neglects to inform Gilgwyr he's the first part of that little ritual and Azharad proceeds to eat him alive before fornicating with Annwyn. Annwyn, however, tricks him and uses a spell to consume Azharad's soul and power into herself. Leigh attempts to intervene but Stejpan strangles him to dead.

Overall, the two of them commit murder, torture, rape and unleashing the demonic genocide king to obliterate all it can.

Heinous Standard, Freudian Excuse and Redeeming Qualities?

Neither has any real excuse. Sure, Leigh's pissy about getting thrown out of the mages, but this is entirely his own fault to begin with, and he's taking it far beyond proportion just for a "who's laughing now?!" which is quite subordinate to his desires for power. Gilgwyr has no excuse. As for redeeming qualities?

Well, none really. Remember the unicorn horn bit? Gilgwyr does her given a tonic to turn pain into pleasure and has her fixed up, but it's not out of niceness. He finds perversion fascinating and incredible and is putting on a good show. Having the girl fixed up is...well, he's a brothel owner and she's a great acquisition, so best not to damage the merchandise. He does treat the girls decently enough, but this is solely because of ego stroking for himself: Gilgwyr considers himself 'above' low class pimps and prefers it when people willingly submit as it gives him a bigger thrill. His concern for the girls as people is nonexistent, considering they're all going to die when Azharad is coming.

Now the heinous standard...the Known World is dark. Very dark. Life is cheap, and death comes quick. However? There isn't much of a heinous standard about. Most of the worst deeds are in the myths of the past. The heroes are a rather dysfunctional lot, but rarely get up to much nastiness. Stjepan can be manipulative, but despite his nickname Black Heart he's a pretty good person and a remarkably compassionate and understanding one. Erim, again, has serious issues, but that's internal. Annwyn, when she gets Azharad's power doesn't do anything evil with it and promises she doesn't plan to affect the world overmuch.

The Nameless Cults are pretty nasty, but Gilgwyr and Leigh are the only ones we really see, so nobody really rivals them for it. Theres Azharad, but everything he did is in the past. True, he'd gladly burn everything that lives, but Leigh and Gilgwyr are using him as a weapon to do so.

Conclusion? Pass, I think

I'll give a to both. Why was Leigh kicked out? And just out of curiosity, what happens to Annwyn?

Annwyn ends up taking Azharad's powers. Stjepan is reluctant of letting her leave the Barrow (through the novel the two have been lovers and friends, though Annwyn practically rapes him to keep up her charade that she's been corrupted, which Gilgwyr finds hilariously entertaining). Stejpan has no way to stop her though. Annwyn leaves the Barrow to do whatever she wants (though she has no intention of doing anything evil, or being a great mover in the world even in a benevolent manner...she intends to live as she wants to for once in her life.) It's probably better given she has the ghouls as her slaves, meaning they can't do any damage while she controls them.

Leigh was kicked out for the whole 'worship the Forbidden Gods and being more of a nutbag than your average Planters product.'

edited 30th Sep '14 10:46:29 AM by Lightysnake

Does Annwyn become corrupted, or just take the powers but none of the evil?

They do corrupt Annwyn, but she regains her mind (and puts on a convincing acting job before consuming Azharad). She remains herself after. Probably. Stjepan asks how he can be certain it's really her. She says he can't.

for Gilgwyr and Leigh (by the way, is that the same Known World as the D&D setting Mystara?).

Nope, no connection there. From interviews, I know Smylie has done an original comic called Artesia and Stjepan is the brother of the titular heroine. I haven't read it yet, though. I know that it's a larger-scale story than The Barrow though, as it follows Artesia and her campaigns against an enemy empire and her attempts to become a queen in her own right. And sex. Lots of sex. Smylie seems to love pushing limits there. Stjepan sleeps with several men before he meets Annwyn in the book.

Compare: Gundam CM vs. Mobile Suit Gundam SEED:

BTW, I'm de-spoiling everything at Gundam CM unless there's a good reason not to.

~24 hours+ until I request swapping of Doctor Who and the Anime subpages.

edited 30th Sep '14 11:57:27 AM by ACW

Oh, it's connected to Artesia, I've actually read that comic. Well, carry on.

edited 30th Sep '14 12:38:41 PM by LordXavius

Can I split Anime And Manga Monsters into 2?

Septimus had a good idea. Done.

edited 30th Sep '14 1:02:59 PM by ACW

@ Austin DR, the dark princess is a greedy, Spoiled Brat of a womanchild who wants to have the diamond planet Spectra as her treasure. All light in the universe must pass through the planet or all life in the universe will freeze to death. She plans to move the planet out of its foundation and bring it to her castle so she can have it added to her treasure. In a MAJOR case of Stupid Evil, she plans to do this despite knowing that she will freeze to death along with everyone else. She has giant ropes tied around the planet to pull it towards her castle. Throuought the movie, we see Earth getting dark and cold, the effects of the Spectra slowly being pulled out of its foundation. By the climax, the Earth has frozen over in an ice age. We are told that the effects will eventually spread to the rest of the universe. When Rainbow Brite and a boy named Krys try to reason with her, she has them both locked in a dungeon. When a robit horse comes to rescue Rainbow Brite and Krys, the princess says that if it does not surrender, she will have the two thrown off a balcony. After her plan is foiled, she takes the "if I can't have it no one can" route, and tries to fly a spaceship into the planet Spectra and destroy it. In the end, her spaceship explodes with her inside it.

The princess returns, alive and well with no explanation, in the episode "queen of the sprites". In the episode, she enslaves a bunch of sprites, and forces them to dig diamonds for her, threatning to turn them into frogs if they don't. When Murky and Lurky stumble into the cave, she tries to have them both thrown into a river and drowned. Murky convinces her they can help her deal with Rainbow Brite, so she spares them. At the end of the episode, she tries to turn Rainbow Brite into a diamond with her magic (which would either kill her or leave her in an And I Must Scream state). Rainbow Brite defeats her and the episode ends.

@ACW

If other people agree that Azrael's entry needs work I'll provide the rewrite. Both the versions are mine—or altered versions of mine—so if there's a consensus that they need fixing I can do it. That said his crimes are many and varied, which is why the entries are what they are.

I've already cut that bit about his Freudian Excuse that had been added as a second bullet point. It really isn't relevant, and since the appropriate response to "I got slapped around once" is not, in point of fact, "genocide" it doesn't even provide a rationalization.

I am also entirely unsure why a personal dislike of slighty large entries is coming up yet again against approved entries.

The Dark Princess does sound pretty bad. What does it for me is that she stole the diamond despite knowing that it could kill everything in existence if it was removed. However, what does the main villain of the series do, since I never watched this show?

@Lightysnake: I guess some people like the entries to be to the point and to not be too boring to read.

edited 30th Sep '14 2:35:12 PM by AustinDR

I'll give a thumbs-up to Bavmorda.

Anyone else want to cast votes on the dark princess?