Is this an example?

Anddrix: If it's inverted, then it's Deader Than Disco.

Are you sure because I could have sworn I'd read somewhere that Deader Than Disco wasn't just inverted Vindicated by History and that tropers think that was what was causing the large amount of misuse necessitating a clean-up thread?

Deader Than Disco definitely ISN'T just an inversion of Vindicated by History. DTD requires a degree of backlash against not just the work, but also against those who like it. Inverting VBH wouldn't require that, just a change in opinion from positive to negative over time.

In reference to the specific example, it simply isn't an example of any trope that I can find. For it to be an inversion of VBH the current reaction would have to be "Hmm, it actually wasn't all that great", when what we have is "Hey, something even better came along".

Are the following examples being used correctly?:

Iron Fist:

• Vindicated by History: The show makes a lot more sense after you've seen The Defenders, as it presents the full backstory of K'un-Lun and The Hand, plus making clear that Danny was supposed to be pretty unlikable.

Batman Returns:

• Unintentional Period Piece: The script mentions murderer Ted Bundy (who had been executed just a few years earlier), Alfred suggests that Bruce Wayne switch the TV channel to Love Connection, and in one crowd scene the camera briefly passes over a young man wearing a jacket with a picture of Gogo Dodo from Tiny Toon Adventures, as if the filmmakers were daring us: "Betcha can't catch us trying to date this film!"

Deadpool 2:

• Overshadowed by Controversy: The death of stunt woman Joi Harris on a motorcycle stunt, as it was revealed her injury would have likely been survivable if she'd been wearing a helmet, with many questioning whether the crew couldn't simply have CG'd a helmet away in post-production.

The last one: no. Overshadowed by Controversy requires a long-term situation, not a momentary blip.

One question- Is Power Up Letdown inherently about the metagame? (I am questioning this because the Pokemon character pages explicitly forbid metagame examples.)

I suppose it depends on how you define "metagame". In Pokémon, for example, there's the process of beating the various single-player campaigns in the video games, and there's the process of battling against other players. The latter is what we say you can't trope. So if there are useless powerups in the single-player portion, those would be fair game.

Okay, thanks.

I've been going through John The Mancunian Man - listed on Other Sites, but are these actually examples of the tropes stated:

• A Day in the Limelight: For a guest author in November 2004, who wrote about the attraction of British men and American women (which itself, had a Family-Unfriendly Aesop).
• An Aesop: This site had many, namely:
  • "Don't label someone an Internet troll just because you think it's cool. Not everyone is even a troll, anyway. Some people are different.
  • "Obesity is unhealthy, but fat-shaming is wrong."
  • Plus, considered progressive by some (for 2003), Slut-Shaming is ethically wrong and will get you nowhere.
  • "Social media is good, but it's better to Know When to Fold 'Em".
  • "Being one of the cool kids does not pay, Be Yourself" (and partly referencing "Billy Elliot" Plot).
  • "Reporting bullying is not being a tattle-tale, it saves lives and may prevent suicides".
• Artifact Title: By 2003, the title was less relevant, with Mancunian issues being discussed less and less.
• Continuity Reboot: Returning in late 2015, a mere 11 years since the site disappeared. The old site is Canon Discontinuity. Well, it should have, but now it may not return until November 2017.
• Deconstruction: The rise of Internet trolls was deconstructed during 2002-2003, with a Burn the Witch! discussion on one website being deconstructed, and the supposedly guilty individual being someone with neurological issues.
• Genre-Busting: Doesn't quite fit any specific genre.
• Loophole Abuse: There were five posts on lifehacks between 2007 and 2009.
• Missing Episode: The entire site is gone, and not even on the Internet Archive.
• No Antagonist: No villain at all, just life issues.
• Non-Indicative Name: John is actually from Bolton, not Manchester (Word of God confirms this)
• Slice of Life: Possibly one of the few sites like this.
• Something Completely Different: As a website. It was fairly different, to be honest.
• Straight Gay: Not the author (he's married with children), but a Discussed Trope. He goes to great lengths to point out that not all gays are flamboyant.
• The Spook: Officially, not much is known on the author other than he is called John and from Manchester.
• Webcomic Time: He backdates the posts to when the guest author wants them published, making this a strange example for a Real Life website. Yet, in Real Time they were posted to the server on another day.

Sorry if it's too many examples, but I'm giving this article a clean-up and want to make sure the tropes mean what is stated.

Is it actually tropeworthy? I mean, it seems to be a blog, and we don't trope blogs.

Some Web Original pages mention blogs though, so I'm not sure.

Then again, there's list of blogs at Blog that we do trope.

edited 21st Aug '17 11:02:04 AM by Merseyuser1

Other question: I noted a pothole to Principles Zealot in Broken Pedestal, in the following paragraph:

Defied: Bob is highly disillusioned by the Crapsack World, but decides keeping his principles is more important, especially with all the people he influenced over his life looking up to him.

Is the pothole correct?

edited 21st Aug '17 3:54:46 PM by MagBas

Is this A Rare Sentence? It doesn't seem to be a statement of rare sentence-ness. More sarcastic disbelief.

• From PS238, when Victor refers to Satori as Zodon's girlfriend.
  Zodon: I want her to ionize the area with the help of the ghost of an Indian who almost electrocuted me about two hundred years ago, not go with me to the Harvest Ball!
  Victor: Ah, well. That makes sense.

No. Similar idea, but definitely not.

Hello. I have recently added these two examples of Greeting Gesture Confusion to the latest MLP:FIM episode, but now I'm having doubt they fit, since Greeting Gesture Confusion seems to be narrower a trope than I thought. Is it nevertheless correct, or would it fall in another trope?

• Greeting Gesture Confusion: Ember stumbles into this trope when visiting Ponyville.
  • First, when unicorn trumpeters welcome her with a fanfare, she covers her ears in pain and gets into a hostile stance in response, until Spike distracts her.
  • Later, as part of a bombastic dragon-style greeting, she breathes fire toward the sky, which scares all the ponies around. She says that usually, when she does this other dragons are eager to meet her.

I'm wondering if For Happiness can fit Emu Hojo from Kamen Rider Ex-Aid. One of the reason why he helps people is so he can "bring back their smiles". Because smiling is often associated with happiness, I thought it would carry the same meaning.

Found on Griffith's page for Berserk

• Knight of Cerebus: We knew this bastard was playing for keeps after what he did at the Eclipse.

The main issue I have with this is that Berserk was already a very dark work before the Eclipse, mostly with the apostles such as Wyald and The Count and rape and murder was everywhere in the manga. I'm personally believing this is a case of Not An Example.

It also has very little context, so would be grounds for a cut on that alone.

Not an example as far as I can remember it. Too much darkness from too many characters.

I don't think you can Knight of Cerebus an already Crapsack World.

Agreed, even though the Eclipse was a case of Darkest Hour, the world itself was already messed up before hand so I don't think you can Knight of Cerebus that. Knight of Cerebus is mostly for shows that are somewhat lighthearted anyway. I have cut it.

The following Protagonist-Centered Morality example:

• In Dragonlance, this is largely what makes Kender The Scrappy. Dungeons & Dragons is has many "small, nimble, thieving" races to choose from - halflings, gnomes, goblins, kobolds. The game at least rightly treats their thieving tendencies as bad, rightly making these characters evil, or neutral at best. Kender are treated as Always Lawful Good. Indeed there's a blurb that makes out how only Always Chaotic Evil races hate the Kender, that the Kender's penchant for sticky-fingers is akin to mere childish curiousity and the elder races know that the world would be much worse off without a race of pilfering, lying, mentally-damaged little shits with no functional society of their own. That's right: if you hate a Kender for rifling through your bags while you sleep and pilfering your magic items, then you are the one in the objectively wrong. Is it any wonder on most tables, saying that you want to play as a Kender is either met with a stern and resounding "no" or with the other players trying to lynch you?

Is this an example?

Beyond this, reposting the question:

I noted a pothole to Principles Zealot in Broken Pedestal, in the following paragraph:

Defied: Bob is highly disillusioned by the Crapsack World, but decides keeping his principles is more important, especially with all the people he influenced over his life looking up to him.

Is the pothole correct?

edited 24th Aug '17 3:05:21 PM by MagBas

Alliterative Title, or Alliterative Name, or something else?

Princesses of the Pizza Parlor:

• Cynthia's wanted spell, "All-out Animal Apocalypse".

Chromosome Casting:

• All the players of the game that's being played, are girls, except for the Gamemaster, who's male.

Speech-Bubbles Interruption or Speech-Bubble Censoring?

Latter's description on the former's page is "When the speech bubble blocks something else,", but its Laconic is "When a nude character's naughty bits are covered by a speech bubble."

Is the Laconic too narrow?

• In The Wotch, all information about a Noodle Incident is censored by the results of an Education Through Pyrotechnics class.

edited 24th Aug '17 4:02:10 PM by Malady

In YMMV.A Centaurs Life, I noticed this entry:

• What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?: The world of Centaur, which is ruled by Political Correctness Gone Mad and points out many problems with "absolute equality" as well as excessive political correctness hurts freedom of expression and individuality, is thought by many to be Take Thats at countries such as the UK, Canada, or several European Union countries, who have made the news in years prior and during the manga's publication for increasingly draconian "hate crime" laws. However, Word of God has never confirmed it's supposed to be an attack on any specific country, so it's best assumed it's just a criticism of the way of thinking to begin with. And it's hardly even a new topic to begin with...Harrison Bergeron addressed many of the same issues all the way back in 1961.

I first brought this up in Ask The Tropers, because as a Canadian I don't agree with referring to Canada's hate crime laws as "increasingly draconian" or with putting scare quotes around "hate crime", and also have a suspicion that the troper that added the entry was shoehorning their political view as "the norm" in it (but that might be due to my own political bias), but since it's a YMMV entry I was unsure if changing it was allowed, even though the parts in question are not (directly) related to the work. A couple of tropers agreed that something should be done about the entry (it's full of natter and could use trimming) but I don't really know how to use What Do You Mean, It's Not Political?, so I brought it here.

The only thing I'm confidant in is changing "world of" to "country of Japan in", because the work mainly centres around its version of Japan and the laws of other In-Universe countries aren't really brought up.

I'd unequivocally cut that. Honestly, it made my skin crawl when I read it in ATT.