Is this an example?

When a character that started out as a minor or supporting character eventually gets demoted as a main character or ends up with a series of there own. Does this fit between the Spin-Off or Breakout Character example?

edited 7th Jan '17 10:04:57 AM by brb1006

I think you mean "promoted".

Both if they get their own series, otherwise it's just Breakout Character.

Yeah that's my thinking as well. Plus the fact that it was only for a fraction of the episode means that it probably can't be called a Bizarro episode anyway.

Could someone take a look at the following examples from Emerald City to see if they're being used correctly or have enough context:

• Ax-Crazy: Lucas displays this when he kills Mombi, proceeding to beat her body to a bloody pulp.
• Bald Woman: The Witch of the East is completely hairless, making a marked contrast with her sisters of the North and West.
• Blood-Spattered Innocents: After Lucas bashes Mombi's head in, both Lucas and Dorothy have blood spray all over their faces.
• Canine Companion: Toto, though in this case, he is a police dog that gets dragged along for the ride to Oz.

Bald Woman needs to be changed to Bald Women, but otherwise it looks legit to me.

Also could these examples from the same page, be given a look at:

• Clock Punk: The technology the Wizard uses to rule the Emerald City falls within this category, having drones shaped like flying monkeys.
• Composite Character: Zigzagged. Glinda, who is the Good Witch of the South in the books, is referred to as the Witch of the North, suggesting that like in other adaptations, she's a composite of both characters; however, it turns out that there was also a Witch of the South in the show's backstory, implied to be the deceased mother of the other three witches.
• Drowning My Sorrows: West's opium addiction is the result of her wanting to suppress the memories from the Great Offscreen War.
• Elaborate Underground Base: The Temple of the Cardinal Witches. The visible part looks like a fairly modest chapel, but beneath it there is a truly massive chamber, hundreds of times larger, where the spells of all the deceased witches are kept in jars.

Does this example provide enough context for Ambiguous Situation?

Yandere no Onna no Ko does this quite a bit. The listener has to rely on the selected Yandere girl to provide exposition about each scenario.

Not in the slightest. That's pretty much a definition of a ZCE.

What could be done to correct it?

From the definition: "A trope is being played. But what trope, that depends on a premise that we cannot know for sure: Either some vital piece of information is missing, or we are left with contradicting information and no definite verification about what is correct and what is not."

At the very minimum, the example should list which tropes are being dangled in front of the audience, and what the setup is, if not the outcome. Be specific.

edited 8th Jan '17 10:51:09 AM by Fighteer

Like this or is it just as bad or worse even?

Ayase's second part has an ambiguous opening. After going over to her house to "see" what Nagisa wanted, The Protagonist is terrified of her. It's not stated if Ayase is covered in blood, thus letting him know that she might have killed his sister, or if he saw a crazed look in Ayase's eyes. Either way, Ayase isn't too happy with his sudden fear for her.

That doesn't sound like an example of the trope at all.

I'll mark it as ZCE until or if someone finds a better example.

Is this a better example of Yandere for Yandere No Onna No Ko?

Original: It is rather obvious with the title.

My modified example: Just about every track starts with the character being super lovey-dovey towards the protagonist. Depending on the character, it could result in some fond recollection of time they spent together. About halfway or so, the girl makes it clear that she's obsessed with the protagonist and can't stand seeing him with other girls. They each provide their own unique traits such as being a stalker, being delusional, and/or murderous. More often than not, there are several girls who will threaten or kill the protagonist if he won't be theirs.

edited 8th Jan '17 1:04:19 PM by kataangluvr

A ZCE example for The World Is Not Ready was added for Safehold. Since that's been the series I tend to focus on here, I wanted to try and clean up the example on the trope page, possibly confirm if it even is an example (I'm not 100%). I'll leave the crosswick on the work page alone for now to see if the troper responds to my ZCE notifier. For now though:

• The protagonists of Safehold have access to space age level technology when everyone else is somewhere roughly in the 19th century. They want to make this technology available, as their long-term goal is to prepare humanity for once again confronting the xenocidal aliens that nearly wiped out humanity earlier. Their biggest obstacle is an anti-technology mindset that would associate anything they tried to do with the equivalent of devil-worship and would require the additional revelation that the church everyone on the planet follows, and which encourages this mindset, was originally a Path of Inspiration set up by the original "archangels" perpetuating a God Guise. Due to the sheer potential for death and chaos, as well as the worldwide Crisis of Faith it would cause, the protagonists have opted for more of a "slow burn" strategy, introducing new technology incrementally and in such a way as to encourage other nations to not just mimic these advances, but try to come up with their own and whittle away at the Dystopian Edict that keeps technology and science from blossoming.

See, to me The World Is Not Ready is when the rationale for not offering up the technology is that people will mishandle it and need some unspecified experience first. Luddites and anti-technology attitudes seem like a different reason.

Hence my "not 100%" about it. The potential for misuse in the story probably lies with the Inquisition of the church, but they're essentially out of commission by the ninth book and were never a critical factor in the protagonists strategy to reveal all.

So is there any chance someone could take a look at the examples I posted above (x12)?

Your post and previous...

• Ax-Crazy: "displays this" is Word Cruft. Ax-Crazy is a characterization trope. The character should be reputed for (and regularly engage in, even if offscreen) psychotic outbursts of violence, not merely do it once.
• Bald Women: The example fails to explain how her baldness conveys that she is abnormal or "give no fucks" badass, which is the intent of the trope. The fact that a female character is bald is Not A Trope. This one may need to be checked against the appearance cleanup project thread.
• Blood-Spattered Innocents: The example fails to explain how these characters are traumatized by the event (or how the blood spatters symbolize said trauma), which is part of the trope.
• Canine Companion: This assumes the reader understands Toto's relationship with Dorothy in the original work.

• Clock Punk: Needs more explanation. "Drones shaped like flying monkeys" doesn't say anything about what type of Punk it is, or that it is Punk at all.
• Composite Character: Seems okay.
• Drowning My Sorrows: The trope is specifically about binge drinking to cope with acute depression, grief, or guilt; not drug abuse linked to long-term trauma. Drug abuse is not covered at all, in fact. Unless her opium use is intentionally made analogous to alcohol abuse, I can't see it applying.
• Elaborate Underground Base: Seems okay.

edited 9th Jan '17 1:56:33 PM by Fighteer

I have some more examples from Emerald City that need looking at:

• A Dog Named "Dog": This incarnation of Toto takes his name from the Munchkin word for "Dog."
• Aliens Speaking English: The Ozians have languages of their own, but some of them also speak English, which also seems to be the official language spoken in the Wizard's domain. This is how the dog gets its name. "Toto" is Ozian for "dog", and Dorothy figures it's as good a name as any, since she hasn't had a chance to find out the dog's real name from the cop.
• Boom, Headshot!: Dorothy manages the impressive feat of landing a bullet between the eyes of her target without even holding the gun. She tricks East into pointing the pistol at herself and pulling the trigger. When the other witches examine East's body, they wonder how someone carved a perfectly round hole into her forehead and wonder why anyone would do so.
• Fate Worse than Death: The Prison of the Abject for those who break the Wizard’s prohibition against magic. They are kept in a cast cavern inside a mountain, stuck in mud and rock, unable to move or talk. East's interaction with Dorothy and Lucas implies it's their souls that are stuck in there.

Are we now to review every single example you want to add to any work article? That's not what this topic is for.

• Aliens Speaking English: Is there some reason to expect that the denizens of Oz would not speak English?
• Boom, Headshot!: The example misses the point of the trope. It's definitely a trope, just not that one.

The other two look okay.

edited 10th Jan '17 5:02:19 AM by Fighteer

• Needs to mention that Toto is, in fact, a dog (current description works for a cat as well).
• Seems good.
• The trope itself is in TRS, but I think the example fits the current incarnation.
• Good Fit. Can't move or talk, and explains how they got there.

That's not what was I was doing, the examples weren't mine and were already on the page for Emerald City.

To further clarify I have been crosswicking examples from that work to its tropes' respective pages. I'd already done the examples that I was 100% certain were being used correctly and had enough context, the ones I was uncertain of are the ones that I have been bringing here. Since there was quite a few of them I've been bringing them here 4 at a time, so as not to bombard everyone with all of them at once.

I've still got a few more examples from that page that I'd like to bring here for a look at, but since the tropers in this thread are probably finding me bringing Emerald City examples here a bit monotonous, I have something else that also needs looking at in the meantime...

These examples have recently been added to YMMV.Shadowhunters, and I'd like to know whether they're being used/written correctly or have enough context. I've already had to remove 2 examples added at the same time by the same troper that were definitely being misused ^note (An Ensemble Dark Horse example that was about a main character, and a list of Better Than Canon examples — despite the fact that it's supposed to be for fanworks only and not adaptations):

• Estrogen Brigade: With a Cast Full of Pretty Boys on display, there are sizeable female fanbases for Jace, Alec, Luke, Magnus, Simon and even Hodge (since he got Adaptational Attractiveness).
• Growing the Beard: Fans of the show point to the fifth episode as a marked improvement. The actors settle into their characters better - especially Emeraude Tobia and Matthew Daddario, effects get a little better and the episode structure is better.
• Narm:
  • Jace and Clary's first meeting. Viewers erupted into hysterical chuckles over "you have the sight?"
  • Alec has to inexplicably strip off to use the parabati bond to track Jace.
  • Jace is a veritable fountain of Narm whenever he interacts with Simon. Particularly when they get into a fight in the third episode, and Jace calls him "Mundane" in the most forced way possible.
• Special Effect Failure: The CGI to simulate portals looks very cheap.
• Testosterone Brigade: Clary and Isabelle are gorgeous. Plenty of male fans watch the show just to stare at them. Lydia too when she shows up.
• They Changed It, Now It Sucks!: A common refrain among the fandom:
  • Luke goes from owning a bookstore to being an NYPD detective.
  • Dorothea becomes a younger character and Adaptational Badass called Dot.
  • Clary gets a portal shard necklace from Jocelyn that gives her visions.
  • The Institute is more high-tech, with computers and gadgets.
  • Maryse is far stricter than her book counterpart, and has a strained relationship with Isabelle.
• They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character: Hodge is Out of Focus for most of the first season.
• The Un-Twist: Even for those who didn't read the books, it was very obvious that Michael Weyland was Valentine in disguise.

Are these examples of Beam Me Up, Scotty!?

• Despite what the flash animation told you, DIO does not screech out "WRYYYYYYY!" in his Road Roller super. It's instead screeched by Shadow DIO in his "Charisma!!" super.
• Despite what MUGEN and Warusaki 3's conversion of him may have told you, the version of DIO with his jacket on is not a playable character, but an unusable boss form. You only get to use DIO without his jacket or Shadow DIO.

The first one maybe, but I'm not sure if Beam Me Up, Scotty! is limited strictly to spoken lines of dialogue, which may exclude the second.

I'm looking to see if these two entries count as examples of Your Costume Needs Work:

• Kakos Industries
  • One of the reasons a Zombie Apocalypse unleashed by the company gets out of control in "Wake the Dead" is because, on top of various acts of incompetence by the people that let it loose, none of the directions for any of their stored zombie viruses mention that if a virus is used on Halloween it will spread like wildfire because no one will believe it is real.
  • Another Halloween episode featured a company Halloween party with a demon theme. They even gave out a cool prize for the best costume. Then they gave it to someone who was actually wearing a costume. Corin apologizes to Balthazaar, but notes "you know how you look."

I wonder if the second one counts as an inversion, given how that trope is usually played for laughs by saying the person has a bad costume. Then again, I think a proper inversion is someone in a costume mistaken for the real thing.

Also, more while I'm at it than anything, if this is sufficient to make an entry of Be Careful What You Wish For. I'm never sure if something is that or plain ol' ironic twist.

• One instance of the Kakos Industries Ruin-A-Life Drawing had the Wheel of Misery land on the space labelled "Greatest Desire Granted" for its victim, Carl. Carl's greatest wish was to live during a Zombie Apocalypse, so Kakos Industries engineered a zombie apocalypse just for him. They even made someone a fair distance away Patient Zero to give him half a day's head start in getting his preparations in order. Then fifteen zombies bum rushed him while he was sitting on the toilet. Following that, he came back as an undead with his pants around his ankles and insufficient cleanup.

Does Evil Versus Oblivion require two specific sides? Kakos is consistent about the fact that, while not above large scale and destructive evil, they don't want to actually destroy the world, even if only because then there would be no one around to do Evil. If it does, there is a method or two to make it work by comparing them to their more chaotic enemies, though even they, far as I know weren't out to destroy the world. Not on purpose anyway.

edited 14th Jan '17 10:55:05 AM by sgamer82