MLP: FiM Subpages Cleanup:

Just going to do a point by point entry of the Radar subpage so we can clean it up:

• In the first episode, Twilight is seen pouring herself something in something that looks like a wine glass. Even though it turns out to be hot sauce, the bottles around it look even more like wine bottles.
  • Later, Spike is seen wearing a lampshade after coming from the party, suggesting the old gag of a drunk guy staggering from a wild one that has just ended.

Again, this depends entirely on is mentioning alcohol existing counts a bonus. And considering we often see punch bowls (which generally contain alcohol) in the open in this show, I would say that no.

• "Look Before You Sleep" features a book called Slumber 101: All You've Ever Wanted to Know About Slumber Parties (But Were Afraid to Ask).

I am not even sure what the reference is here? Seriously, what's the "crap" being snuck past the radar???? Slumber Parties?

• Twilight Sparkle's horn goes limp and she becomes unable to perform something she normally takes great pride in her prowess and endurance with in ''Bridle Gossip''.

Fair enough

• "A Dog and Pony Show as having two types of Rape Subtext
  • First: there's the rest of the Mane Six, minus rarity, attempting to get into the holes plugged up by the Diamond Dogs and the dogs eventually start tripping and pulling the tails of the ponies and leaving them on the ground exhausted.

Not sure I see the rape subtext here.

• Second: About 13 and a half minutes in there's the Diamond Dogs' gleeful expressions of I Have You Now, My Pretty with Rarity acting like a scared little filly. Her line "Whatever do you want from me" does not help matters. From this it makes her whining a simple metaphor for rape aversion with regards to women everyone will drool over. The very fact that this episode got past the radar makes the clip from the page quote look harmless by comparison.

Hrrrm, sure.

• "Over a Barrel" has Pinkie Pie's dance number, which features her dressed as a dancehall girl (who were almost universally prostitutes; the dancing thing was by way of advertising).

While thats true, plenty of children's cartoons set in westerns feature those, without the prostitute angle. So I'd say not an example as this is pretty much a trope of its own. (Someone should YKTTW this)

• In "Owl's Well that Ends Well" Spike uses ketchup to make it look like a toy mouse has been mauled to death.

Yes... And it's pretty apparent that's what his plan is. There's no subtext. Only text.

• "Lesson Zero" has Fluttershy twisting and (seemingly) snapping the neck of a bear and the insane Twilight apparently impales a bird with her horn.

Again, whats the subtext? The whole point of the scene is this. There's no getting crap past the radar. The scene's entire point is to do this, and it is blatant about it

• In "Luna Eclipsed", Twilight lures Pinkie Pie into an alley with a trail of candy and then covers her mouth and tells her to stay quiet. Pinkie Pie's reaction didn't help at all.
  • This is immediately followed by Pinkie Pie being scared, running away, and getting tackled and pinned down by Twilight when she tries to escape.

I'd leave it. God knows it's stronger than most examples so far.

• In "The Cutie Pox", Twilight lists off a bunch of various punny diseases, trying to find what Apple Bloom is suffering from. One of the diseases she mentions is "the trots," which is slang for diarrhea.

Fair enough

• In "Sweet And Elite", Rarity asks Opal if her outfit is too much. Opal, serving as an Empathy Pet in the episode, reacts by lifting her leg and licking herself.

Meh. Weak. Also, Opal's a cat, not a Funny Animal cat like the ponies but a cat-cat. So this literally says talking to your cat and it doing cat things in response somehow counts as Getting Crap Past the Radar

• Later, when the rest of the Mane 6 crash the Garden Party, Rarity downs a glass in one anxiety-filled gulp.

See previous point on booze

• There's also the female unicorn constantly draping herself around Fancypants, who gives off distinct vibes of being some kind of prostitute, Gold Digger, or trophy girlfriend/wife, depending on your perspective.

Don't remember that character. I'd take the writer's words for it, but reading the rest of the page, I'd expect overreaction again.

• In "Secret of My Excess", where Spike is going through what can only be described as "dragon puberty", what is the most common description Twilight provides for his behavior?

Weak, but I'd let it slide.

• In Baby Cakes, in the beginning of the episode Carrot Cake lengthily explains why Pound Cake is a Pegasus and Pumpkin Cake is a Unicorn. Then he looks nervously at the audience and says, "That made sense, right?!"

Sounds more how he's lampshading the show's LEGO Genetics and Art Major Biology. Not an example

• The name of the episode shares the name of a Neil Gaiman story that is, essentially, about eating babies.

It's also a common expression used to talk about something cute. Coincidence unless Word of God says otherwise. Not an example.

• The Windigos from Hearth's Warming Eve being burned to death by the Fires of Friendship. We even see them flailing and trying to escape their fate.

I rewatched the scene, not nearly as graphic as the entry makes it look like. It looks like the (pink) fire is blasting them away or swallowing the while they flail. Team Rocket getting blasted in Pokemon is gory by comparison.

• When the pony leaders thaw out, the Earth Ponies and Pegasi share hugs and high fives. In the meantime, Princess Platinum and Clover the Clever spend their time nuzzling.

Actually PP has an arm (well, leg, hoof, whatever) around Clover's shoulder. Ya know, a gesture of friendship?

• Cherry Jubilee looks like an old western "madam" stereotype, and she can always use a pony with "quick hooves and a strong back..."

I'd say she looks like any foppish high society woman of a certain age◊. The line is also kind of weak.

• To say nothing of the whole "popping cherries" aspect of working on her ranch.

I guess? More context would be nice. Does the line actually appear? In what context?

• The "Cherry Ranch" is one of the most famous brothels in Nevada.

If you say so.

• Which may explain why Pinkie was telling Applejack to "drink sarsaparilla" early on (details here).

Sarsaparilla is not even alcoholic... Or really brothel related.

Continuing in the next post.

slumber parties would be a reference to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068555/

• In the Cold Open for The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000, Rainbow Dash barges straight into Fluttershy's bedroom to wake her up, and rips the covers off. Flutters's reaction? She blushes and covers herself with her forelegs.

Considering they are always naked, that kind of the point of the whole joke. Not really subtext.

• One pony, upon tasting the low-quality rushed cider the Flim-Flam brothers made, exclaims "I wouldn't pay one cent for this drek!" It may have just been him saying "drink" with an odd accent... but in various languages, "drek" means "shit."

Fine

• The Show Within a Show aspect of "Read It and Weep" lets them gets away with a lot more violence than usual.

Such as? Therefore? But?

• Not to mention the possible cancer implication with the bald-headed pony (or a military buzzcut) in the hospital bed, and the insane pony in what looks to be a straight jacket.

Straight jackets are getting crap past the radar now?

• For "Hearts & Hooves Day", we have Sweetie Belle interrupting what looks like a funeral during her song. We also have Cheerilee & Big Macintosh drinking out of shot glasses, and later on grinding on a cherry to the point where it looks like it's about to pop.

Wow that last bit is REALLY reaching. Especially when you realize that this only makes sense when you read about the scene like this. When you see it, it looks nothing like this.

• Not to mention the stallion "strangely obsessed with tubs of jelly".

...k? I guess? Kinda reaching.

• None of that beats Sweetie Belle briefly pole-dancing during her song!

Sure I suppose

• Then there is the backstory to Hearts and Hooves Day, which is essentially a glorified royal drug rape. Since the prince seems to have also have taken the potion he must have been using it for more than just making people fall in love.

Feels kinda weak again.

• The two love potion victims finally snap out of it...while laying on a mattress in a dark pit with Cheerilee wearing a bridal veil and she honestly doesn't seem all that taken aback by it.

Well she does immediately ask about it. So .... no?

• In "Putting Your Hoof Down", Fluttershy doesn't give a flying feather.

Good example! Hurray!

• In the episode "It's About Time", we meet Cerberus, the giant three-headed dog that guards Tartarus, the prison of all that is evil. The problem? They actually, specifically refer to it as Tartarus, which is, to be blunt, the Greek equivalent of Hell.

Yes. And this is a problem because???? What? Would this offend all the ancient greeks watching? Still I guess could keep it as a Unusual Euphemism for hell, but this fairly weak.

edited 13th Mar '12 9:02:32 AM by Ghilz

slumber parties would be a reference to this: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068555/

Or all the "Everything you wanted to know about X but were afraid to ask" stuff. It's a common line, and I am not sure the movie coined the line. If it did, yeah, that works as a reference. Otherwise, no. Its just a coincidence.

On further reading, I'll give that one is probably good.

edited 13th Mar '12 9:10:29 AM by Ghilz

I'm also not sure if the movie coined the snowclone, but for some people (like me) it'll always remind me of the movie. Still... Adult Bonus and not "Radar"

People adding those examples seem to be living in an Orwellian country where everything is forbidden for kids. I'll be no surprised if Pinkie trying to use a bathroom in "last roundup" is added.

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edited 23rd Jul '17 2:55:40 PM by Jicragg

Gonna leave them here for now, see if anyone can defend some of the lammer examples. I do plan to take a chainsaw to the page and remove the non-example. It won't leave much behind, but there is at least a few good examples.

edited 13th Mar '12 10:01:01 AM by Ghilz

On the whole thing with the alcohol bits, I feel it doesn't matter if alcohol actually exists in Equestria. Pretty much any older viewer who sees either scene mentioned in the pilot or "Sweet and Elite" is going to understand the overall feel of the scenes.

As would most kids really. Unless kids in the USA really don't know that alcohol exists and don't see adults drink.

Alcohol being depicted as Alcohol doesn't make for Getting Crap Past the Radar. Hell, characters in _Disney_ films drink alcohol openly. How Orwellian do editors think a show must be for mentions of alcohol to be examples of Getting Crap Past the Radar?

edited 13th Mar '12 3:21:00 PM by Ghilz

Alcohol as alcohol only matters if the target demographic is under the age of 3. It's appropriate for G rated films.

as promised I took a chainsaw to Radar.My Little Pony Friendship Is Magic

I'd like to come up with something however to prevent the return of non-examples.

I don't think that's possible.

Leave a commented-out note in the source.

I did, but considering that there already WAS one... and well, we saw how much good that did.

Try making it bigger. See if that works.

'Scuse me but right now how the heck is allusion to alcohol not Getting Crap Past the Radar when Frothy Mugs of Water is an mentioned as a specific example there of. Actually following the advice of the current note directly contradicts the note. And well there's a lot of alcohol references, Berry Punch even has Word of God on the matter and The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 is built around it. Unless you think cider foams like the head on beer and is traditionally served in wooden mugs.

Seems to a better solution would be something like corraling the booze references in a folder on the page so it can at least be neater.

Also because inevitably it will show up... Applejack is a also type of hard liqour. Actual example or coincidence it should probably have some kind of mention explaining which ever is gone with.

edited 15th Mar '12 7:15:07 AM by gs

Because alcohol isn't under the radar of the target audience. It has to be ages three and under before standards kick in for that one. Ponies is for children older than that.

Umm MLP:Fi M is consistently rated TV-Y I thought. The lowest you can go and supposed to be suitable for 2 year olds.

Season 1 even more so with the "e/i" label since they apparently had trouble getting "egghead" on air.

EDIT: Yeah, its TV-Y rated so quite literally this would mean alcohol is never flying under the radar and considered wholesomely acceptable or such down to two year olds.

edited 15th Mar '12 7:38:20 AM by gs

Yep, even so, the radar isn't as high as you think it is. Alcohol in general does not trigger the radar. Alcohol abuse does, but that's a whole different issue and one that never shows up in Fi M.

edited 15th Mar '12 7:39:00 AM by shimaspawn

Ahem:

"It has to be ages three and under before standards kick in for that one"

TV-Y is officially under that so by your own statement it qualifies in you opinion. And for one I would seriously challenge even three year olds being considered an acceptable demographic for alcohol to be brought up around, so therefore its allusion to is sneaking past the radar.

Removing the alcohol note its a valid example of getting past the radar. That's why its censored in say anime, because its not acceptable practice

edited 15th Mar '12 7:45:07 AM by gs

Yet alcohol features in movies rated G

Also one of the TV-Y series on that IMDB page you linked (The 6th one down)? One of the main character is an alcoholic who is constantly seen drinking. So yeah, TV-Y allows the depiction of alcohol. Making it NOT Forbidden Material. Making it NOT Getting Crap Past the Radar.

edited 15th Mar '12 11:19:21 AM by Ghilz

It's largely censored in anime because the companies doing the conversion censor it. Not because they have to.

I've also put the notice back, since the edit reason for it's removal "Alcohol is not going to be acceptable for a TV-Y show so its allusion to is getting crap past the radar." is provably false by the mere existence of TV-Y shows with alcohol in it.

Yes, things that are explicitly alcohol are fine in that rating. There's no reason things that are even more vague should not be.