Examples Bordering on Testosterone Poisoning? NEW CLOCK: Rated M For Manly

Has anyone done a wick check for both tropes? I'll do the M For Manly one. I'll put it up next post.

Now the description makes it clear this is about works, but a lot of the wicks so far seem to assume this is anything masculine. Now perhaps there is a Missing Super Trope, which the name could be moved to.

This is just 10 so far. I'll put more in the next post.

• TriumphantExample.A: Does a name fall under this trope? If not, it's misuse.
• Acceptable Hobby Targets: Misused for M-rated video games.
• AC/DC: Correct
• A Deadly Game Of Magic: Misuse for just being masculine.
• Characters.A Game Of Gods NP Cs: Used as though it was interchangeable with Testosterone Poisoning.
• Bash Brothers: Guess it's correct, if we count scenes.
• Bastard: Correct.
• Characters.Batman The Brave And The Bold: If characters don't fall under this, it's misuse.
• SoYouWantTo.Be A Booker: Not sure if pursuits count.
• Beastie Boys: Correct

Any I mark with "Correct (z)" are {zero context example}}s (as are a few in my previous post, but I forgot to mark), so I'm just assuming they are correct.

• Camp Gay: Correct
• AwesomeMusic.Capcom Vs Whatever: Used for a character.
• Captain America: The First Avenger: Correct (z)
• Captain Ger Bear: Used for being muscular.
• Captain Harlock: Correct (z)
• Carmen: Used for a character.
• Dante's Inferno: Correct (z)
• Darksiders: Correct (z)
• David Gemmell: One use seems to be correct (z), but another is used for a character.
• David Mitchell: Don't think a sponsor counts.
• Characters.Dawn Of War: Used for a character.

EDIT: I know this is just 20 so far, but I have to go help my roommates before I check more of these. But so far it does look like many are assuming the name is anything many, not just manly works.

edited 11th Mar '12 5:46:05 PM by DragonQuestZ

That contributes a lot to the decay, yeah.

I'll do a wick check for Testosterone Poisoning tomorrow. If it turns out the tropes are used interchangeably, then we may need to rename both.

Slicing out the advertising examples of Rated M for Manly and seeing if it'll be redundant on Testosterone Poisoning, since those commercials are all about being the latter.

Since Endless Frontier has been listed, does the franchise it's spun off from fit in here or Testosterone Poisoning?

edited 21st Mar '12 12:43:04 PM by CluelessColleague

Should have done this a while ago: Testosterone Poisoning wick check.

So both this and Rated M for Manly are full of misuse. This also includes some masculinity tropes that we should have (like a more general trope about putting on a masculine facade).

• Ad Of Win Archive 2010
• Funny.Advertising
• Characters.A Game Of Gods NP Cs: But misuses Rated M for Manly.
• Billy Connolly: And actually made me chuckle.
• BLAM Episode
• Chuck Norris Facts: But was zero context, which I just corrected.
• Darkest Of Days
• Darwin Awards: And might be the closest thing to this in Real Life.
• Dave Barry: At least looks like it's correct.
• Characters.Eyeshield 21
• "Facing the Bullets" One-Liner
• Gnomeo And Juliet: But was zero context, which I just corrected.
• Indecisive Parody
• Ink-Suit Actor
• Insult Backfire: Although in a Natter comment.
• Joy Electric: Just barely.

Misuse

• Adorkable: Assumes this is manliness that is straight, but unrealistic.
• A Farewell to Arms: Assumes this is manliness that is straight, but unrealistic.
• Bishie Sparkle: Being filthy?
• Blah, Blah, Blah: It's parody, but of guy attitudes, not extreme manliness.
• Clark Kenting: If it's a Take That!, it's not this trope. This is a Played for Laughs trope.
• Characters.Codename Kids Next Door: Okay, the use might be correct, but being 10 doesn't justify this trope.
• PlayingWith.Compensating For Something: Assumes it's being too manly, not spoof manly. Also misuses Rated M for Manly for being manly.
• Deadliest Warrior: Merely including certain people on the show doesn't make this trope.
• George Carlin: He's mocking stupid manly attitudes. Only a couple parts mention this trope, and that is assuming the word "poisoning" in the title is actually about a form of poison.
• Grandia II: A jerk, but not a masculinity spoof.
• Handshake Substitute: Triple misuse: 1. Ben-Hur is not a comedy. 2. Looking manly is not spoofing manliness. 3. It's just a troper assuming it might be this trope.
• Harley Davidson And The Marlboro Man: Bases the wick just on the trope title, not the definition.
• Infernal Paradise: Used for a troper opinion on what is awesome.
• Jackie Chan Adventures: The trope can't happen to you before you do something. That seems to assume that testosterone is actually poison.
• Characters.Katawa Shoujo: A jerk about being masculine isn't really a parody.

Hard To Tell (includes no context)

• Black Lagoon
• Cloudy With A Chance Of Meatballs
• Characters.Dark Fates Foretold
• TheCulture.Excession
• Characters.Fairy Tail Guilds
• Characters.Fallout 3
• Government Crime Investigation Agent Zaizen Jotaro
• Characters.Grand Theft Auto
• Hark! A Vagrant
• FanficRecs.Harry Potter So Bad Its Good
• Has Two Mommies
• Inhumanoids
• JAM Project
• Josip Broz Tito

edited 24th Mar '12 7:24:28 PM by DragonQuestZ

Black Lagoon is filled with straight examples (some of which involve female characters, hence the meaning of the almost-zero-context example). It might also have some comedic examples, but AFAIK the only comedy to be found is pure black.

I was under the impression that the distinction at work here is that Rated M for Manly applies only to works, while Testosterone Poisoning can also apply to, for instance, the macho guy comic relief character in a Rom Com or a shoujo manga or something. Of course, if that's the case it would raise the question of whether that's a valid distinction to draw between tropes.

Bump for Clarification: So Avoid the Dreaded G Rating is when Rated M for Manly is invoked?

It actually has nothing to do with ratings. It's about appealing to guys.

Crowner has been hooked.

Bump for votes.

Another bump.

Calling crowner.

Was anything done here?

Not that I heard of.

At this point I don't see a difference between Rated M for Manly and Testosterone Poisoning. We should get rid of the first one.

The difference is that the former deals with works that are seen as masculine or macho (such as Rambo, Conan, etc.), while Testosterone Poisoning is when an author deliberately parodies the concept in his work.

edited 22nd Sep '12 9:28:13 AM by supergod

Exactly.

For example, Saxton Hale is latter because his whole existence parodies the idea of manliness. Extreme Dinosaurs however belongs to the former because it plays straight the Totally Radical muscle-bound dinosaur men concept without making it a parody or satire.

The catch should be that the latter trope should always notify how it is a parody or satire in order to avoid confusion.

edited 25th Sep '12 11:27:17 AM by Ookamikun

The primary problem always comes down to Poe's Law, anything sufficiently analyzed could be interpreted as either serious or a parody. I think that, by and large, it is not a good idea to divide a trope by how it is played with (ie "this is trope X only subverted."). Otherwise we start getting "subversions" of the subverted trope and come back around to "played straight."

But the idea is that it's easy to tell something is deliberate. Usually Poe's Law only comes in place in certain subjects, and I doubt this one would be one of them.

Even ignoring Poe's Law (which is very much evident here, what is "easy" to spot for some might be mistaken for the real thing), it is still the matter that under any other circumstance when a trope is parodied it is at most a separate example list such as in Limited Wardrobe. All that has happened here is that two identical tropes were created and some people are desperately trying to make it work somehow.

The difference is more than just 'parody'. The two tropes fall in the classic split of drama vs comedy. No one would argue that James Bond, for instance, is a comedy. It's all about the action and fighting and hot babes that inevitably fall for him. Seto No Hanayome, on the other hand, is about the comedy. It has fighting and action and hot girls etc, but it's all in the service of humor.

edited 27th Sep '12 7:58:53 PM by ChaoticNovelist

Some James Bond films verge on self-parody. At the least, it's impossible to watch them without some detachment. Diamonds are Forever in particular.

Off-topic: do we have Distaff Counterpart to this?