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resolved Historically Disproven = Speculative?
Over in TLP someone mentioned that historical examples that have since been revealed to be wrong or at least inaccurate (i.e. Dated History, in this case the idea that Spartans regularly committed infanticide) is speculative troping and so shouldn't be included at all.
Is that the actual policy?
Edited by Chabal2openDeadlink example
While looking at the "I Want Grandkids" trope and finishing the job of sorting the "Fan works" examples by parent series, I found one example was for a fic that has since been deleted from fanfiction dot net:
- Six Paths of Rebellion: A variant — Nunnally is quite insistent on Lelouch getting a girlfriend and giving her lots of nieces and nephews to spoil.
I've commented it out for now. However, I searched and found that a copy of the fic is being archived on "Archive Of Our Own" by a third party. Since it's nowhere near the chapter being linked to, should I just delete the example, or replace the link with the AO 3 one and remove the commented-out status (either now or when they get that far)?
Until next time...
Anon e Mouse Jr.
openWhat do we do with a Fridge entry that gets a canonical resolution? Literature
Seen examples for both Reign of the Seven Spellblades and Trapped in a Dating Sim: The World of Otome Games is Tough for Mobs, respectively Fridge Logic and Fridge Horror, where there's a preexisting entry on a Fridge page that then got explained away in a later volume.
Should these be deleted with an edit reason to that effect, or treated like WMG where we note there's now a canonical resolution?
Edited by StarSwordopenCommon Edit Reasons
Do we have a place to suggest new checkboxes for the edit page? I often think it needs one for Examples Are Not Recent.
openCharacter page discouraging commenting out of ZCEs? Web Original
I've been commenting out ZCEs Characters.Whateley Universe Whateley Academy as per the policy, but only recently did I notice this commented-out note:
"Yes. there are a lot of Zero-Context Examples. Try and fill them. Commenting them out makes them harder to notice? The Crystalhall.wikia.com page for each character should give info on where to find quotations or whatever, to fill them in..."
Is this okay? Should I continue commenting them out despite this notice?
Edited by TroperNo9001openApparent trope missing on the "no examples" lists
The page Wiki Vandal is listed as being a trope. It has no examples, but isn't listed as No On-Page Examples or Definition-Only Pages. Would the correct course of action be to add it to one of those pages? Or is it incorrect that it's labeled as a trope at all?
resolved Daemon10 and ZCE
On this page, Daemon 10 added a few examples with zero context. After I commented them out, they un-commented them out without adding any context to them and added more ZCEs on top. So I sent them a ZCE notifier, and it seems like they listened (because when they uncommented out the examples again, they did add more context to them)...but they then created a characters page for the same work and added ZCEs to that page instead.
openExample Indentation problem in YMMv page
I found two examples in YMMV page for The Gifted (2014) where two example indentation is probably used wrongly.
- Alternate Character Interpretation:
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Alternatively Maica's and Zoe's view on Marco's reputation as a friendless outcast maybe an exaggeration as well. Nevertheless the epilogue's possible Aesop against excessive escapism still stands.
- The Stinger regarding the nature of The Gifted novel in the end portrays Marco in in a negative light. The novel portrays the unhealthy rivalry of Aica and Zoe who are actually based on in-universe real life people. In the reveal, the audience learns that the two novel characters are based on two of Marco's former classmates, Maica and Joey who are actually Fire-Forged Friends and are not okay with Marco's portrayal of their fictional counterparts in their books and mugged him in the end for it. They basically claim that the novel is an actual product of Marco's insecurities and envy of the two's academic aptitude and the embarassing incident of Aica's soiling herself and Zoe's revenge on their theology teacher was actually Marco's experience.
- Broken Aesop
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
- However films such as The Gifted also heavily relies to the female demographic with Sam Milby as its male lead. Depending on your point of view the feminist message in the epilogue might not hold water..
- Films and television series who features conventionally unattractive leads often implies a premise that Appearance Is in the Eye of the Beholder. However like in most films, the leads underwent cosmetic surgery. This was subverted in the ending where it was revealed that the events of the film is a loose adaptation of real events by The Gifted author Marco. Maica and Joey criticized Marco's book for making their fictional counterparts undergo surgery and insists they are contented with their appearances. They chastised the book as a escapist Fanservice meant to cater to men.
How do I fix it?
openShould we list former GameBreaker examples? Videogame
Should we list former examples that, due to nerf/buffs, are no longer the case?
Former Low-Tier Letdown examples can be listed under Rescued from the Scrappy Heap, but I don't know the equivalent for Game-Breaker (intentional or not).
Clarifying EDIT: I asked this because 2.5 months ago, someone added a game-breaking bug to Team Fortress 2 that was patched in 2008.
Edited by ExaskliriopenAcclaimed Flop example recency Videogame
Acclaimed Flop says no examples until the work's initial run has finished. What does this mean for a Video game that released in complete form on day one?
Edited by GoldenDarknessresolved Transference/Implementation of Appearance folders Print Comic
As dictated by an earlier ATT entry, appearance bars have been culled from character pages that are known to have them. I'd like to propose that instead of culling them full-stop, they get changed into collapsible appearance folders since the original issue was that they cluttered up the page as well as the fact that most other character pages seem to already have appearance folders anyway. The following is an example that's already implemented on a few pages (not by me, they were already present before this proposal)
- XXX Vol 1 #Y-WZ
- XXX Vol 1 #Z-XZZ
- YYY Vol 2 #YY-ZZZ
openCharacters page for Warcraft NPC species? Videogame
Wondering if it'd be reasonable to create a Characters page for NPC species in the Warcraft franchise. We of course already have pages for the playable factions, but the franchise has a number of species introduced at every expansion with their own themes, story beats and quirks. It would inevitably be a rather big page (probably big enough to be split in some way; something to think about if we decide to do it), but we honestly have similarly large pages for NPC's in other fantasy franchises (see the NPC pages for Dungeons and Dragons or Pathfinder, for example), so I don't think extent alone should be seen as a reason NOT do to it.
Should we do it, we'd also have to think about maybe reworking some already-existing pages; the page for Pandaria, for instance, alredy brings some entries on NPC races introduced in the Mists of Pandaria expansion. Those entries should maybe be moved.
Alternatively, we could create individual pages for characters introduced in each expansion, listing significant NPC's and having entries for the species there instead. "Big" characters (i.e. cosmic entities) could be kept separate, as they already are, but we add entries for every new species on their corresponding expansion page.
Edited by ZeroCCOopenAnime or Films- Animation?
While Princess Mononoke is listed as an anime sometimes its examples are listed in the Films — Animation section of some pages? Should this be corrected and moved to the anime folder?
resolved Does Mystique counts as DracoInLeatherPants Print Comic
Hey guys, a while ago I added X-Men’s Mystique to the Draco in Leather Pants Marvel page of villains who are beloved and forgiven by fans despite their heinous crimes.
Troper Cylon took issue with this as they don’t consider Mystique an abusive mother or sadistic villain even though she has had decades of written to be just that. They removed the example, I put it back, they removed it again. Que the ensuing arguments where even where I provided evidence Cylon would either ignore it or tried justify it or claim it’s bad writing that Mystique was written that way.
I believe same as Magneto, Mystique definitely counts for the trope. What do you guys think?
Edited by Yellow20openParameters of EvenTheGuysWantHim
There's an instance where Even the Guys Want Him is being used to describe just "bi guy has a male crush". I don't think that specific instance is a trope; I think it's a banal, chair-type event. I thought Even the Guys Want Him was when mostly-straight Al remarks on Bob's hotness and this is narratively used as a way to convey how unusually, remarkably hot Bob is. The person who added it is arguing no, the "bi guy has a normal crush" example is within the scope of Even the Guys Want Him as defined on the page.
So 2 questions:
- Does "bi guy has a normal crush" qualify as Even the Guys Want Him?
- If so, is Even the Guys Want Him even tropeworthy?
openQuestion about flexibility of Bloodstained Glass Windows
Since Tropes Are Flexible, does Bloodstained Glass Windows cover violence in non-Christian houses of worship? Would a gunfight in a synagogue or a mosque be as valid an example as one that happens in a church?
openNot experienced with editing here, why is this like this? Literature
So I wanted to add a trope example to https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Literature/WarriorCatsTheOriginalSeries but when I opened the editor I found it was already there, but upon closing the editor again I didn't see it. Opening the page normally on one tab and in editor in another, I discovered that the example I wanted to add as well as a bunch of others, maybe a third of the page's total examples, had "
openAnime/anime adjacent trope - Blonde with fists as weapons Anime
Anime/anime adjacent trope - Blonde with fists as weapons
Got a list of examples for anyone important enough to create a page:
https://in-birth.fandom.com/wiki/Mika
https://rwby.fandom.com/wiki/Yang_Xiao_Long
https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Hibiki_Tachibana
https://shangrila-frontier.fandom.com/wiki/Kei_Uomi (Shangri-La Frontier form), see ep12 5:03
https://mahoako.fandom.com/wiki/Tenkawa_Kaoruko (fist attack)
Edited by tempuser1283914openEdit war on "Deadpool and Wolverine"
On YMMV.Deadpool And Wolverine, bud0011 added this example on April 24, 2024:
- Crosses the Line Twice: Giant Man's Skull being used as a base on its own works as Body Horror, but if you combine it with Paul Rudd's memetic The Ageless-ness, it becomes Black Comedy that something eventually did him in.
I removed it a few days later, citing discussion here.
On May 12, bud0011 readded it, unchanged, with the edit reason being a link to a clip from the movie of Deadpool essentially making the same joke.
While I do believe the example could now stay if rewritten to be about Deadpool's quip and not a version of Fridge Brilliance, it's still an edit war, as it appears to have been readded without discussion.
Edited by MisterApes-a-lot
I want to add the bolded to the locked page Idiot Plot, asking here for thoughts before taking to the Locked Pages thread.
See also World of Dumbass for settings where (nearly) everyone is intended to be an idiot. Compare Just Eat Gilligan for when everyone's guilty of the single idiocy of ignoring something that could resolve the plot. See also Fourth Wall Myopia - when the audience fails to recognise the difference between themselves and the characters. You may have seen the Obviously Evil person twirling their mustache at the camera, but the characters who get fooled did not.
Also wondering if World of Dumbass covering intentional examples means the Idiot Plot page should be revised, and also why the page is locked while other Flame Bait pages that also disallow any on or off page examples aren't.
Thoughts?