Regarding the Trivia namespace (crowner switched 20th Jan 2020)

I guess the way I look at it is, Tim Burton *is* Famous, and a sizable number of people would know of him (even though it's kind of a nondescript name in itself, and you might not make the connection automatically.)

I am a huge gundam fan and I didnt even know that.... nor would I have ever have put that together... Thats the reason I love TV Tropes lol lets try not to screw it up by doing this badly

edited 24th Jan '11 5:43:40 PM by Raso

But most of them aren't even half that famous. Did you read through the page examples?

• The three recurring old geezers on Cowboy Bebop had thematic names — Antonio, Carlos and Jobim. Put them together and you get the name of a famous musician.

So if you put three character's names together in the right order, you get someone else's name, who is marginally famous, if you listen to the right type of music. There are a lot of them like that. They're famous, kind of, but you're unlikely to have heard a lot of the names.

edited 24th Jan '11 5:23:31 PM by shimaspawn

That's the guy who created Bossa Nova music hmm explains a bit about choices of music for the series.

I see your point though.

edited 24th Jan '11 5:26:35 PM by Raso

It does, and he was one of the composer's influences, but I bet you had to Google him.

I basically scanned Comic Books, Film, and Live Action TV, and didn't see any standout Non-Famous Person in those. But I agree, the Bossa Nova Guy's a bit obscure....

edited 24th Jan '11 5:28:04 PM by suedenim

I knew the name from somewhere but yes I did have to google it.

It does have some in series effect but I see your point on that one is more of a Shout-Out and such but we should be really careful on what tropes go in the trivia space

Notable examples of a few of these tropes though really don't fit in there as they affected the series as a whole. But I suppose its all or nothing.

(still very much against Expy going in there)

edited 24th Jan '11 5:32:13 PM by Raso

I'm against Word of God because the huge central argument about cases of Word of God is whether they count as something in work and people take them as being another way authors may make a work be using a particular fact or the author's intention changes the trope or at the very least the author has told you of the intent to try and create a trope or use one to a particular effect. They are normally direct comments on what we do here.

I just pulled the first example on the page.

This would only be examples on work pages that start:

• Word of God: Blah.

Otherwise it just seems to be used as a Justifying Edit or Natter.

edited 24th Jan '11 5:35:02 PM by shimaspawn

As I said when I suggested Word of God and Word of Dante for the Trivia page is that it's only when they are used as a stand-alone "trope", not when used to support or add more information to another trope.

EDIT: For example, this from Tangled is perfectly fine:

• All Animals Are Dogs: Maximus the horse. For example, he tracks Flynn by his scent and can be also be seen wagging his tail when Rapunzel scratches him, for which horses simply lack the tail bones. Flynn doesn't believe it. The filmmakers even admit it.

This from Wild ARMs is pretty much trivia:

• Word of God - According to the companion volume for the series (never released outside of Japan, of course), the planet Filgaia is the same planet in every game. Apparently, it's just really unlucky.
  • Flip-Flop of God - This is in contrast to an earlier companion volume for the series released during the third game which said that they were different Filgaias that generally followed the same rules. Either different people are now in charge of the mythos or the people behind the mythos simply decided that the one Filgaia version was cooler.

edited 24th Jan '11 5:39:16 PM by ccoa

If we go by those lines for Word of God wouldnt All There in the Manual be the same thing?

EDIT: nvm those could describe game books or companion novels and such.

EDIT 2: owned

edited 24th Jan '11 5:40:28 PM by Raso

ccoa made my point better than me.

No Export for You is probably trivia.

If they haven't been mentioned yet, Banned in China and Germans Love David Hasselhoff should probably count as Trivia.

edited 25th Jan '11 6:16:53 AM by Meeble

Fan Translation?

Fan Translation is a bit more in media since they tend to not just be "it exists" but "it exists and this is how it effects the media". I added the other proposed tropes to the crowner though.

Germans Love David Hasselhoff and Americans Hate Tingle are already YMMV, and I think they fit better there — they're textbook fan reaction tropes (just localized).

Good point. I think that Banned in China would still be a good candidate for trivia, though, since it doesn't really have to do with fan reaction.

Shouldn't Ascended Meme be considered Fan Reaction, and thus YMMV?

I'm a little uncomfortable with moving all the Fake Nationality tropes to Trivia. There's often (though admittedly not necessarily) a large element of the trope that's "on the screen" - e.g., the actor has a terrible and unconvincing Russian accent.

edited 25th Jan '11 11:03:36 AM by suedenim

In which case my claim is that the actual trope is one of the Accent Tropes (Ooh, Me Accent's Slipping / Not Even Bothering with the Accent / Unexplained Accent / What the Hell Is That Accent?), sort of like the way Hey Its That Guy is trivia except when it's a Casting Gag.

edited 25th Jan '11 11:33:01 AM by Micah

Yeah, the nationality of the actor(s) compared to their characters is Trivia because it doesn't impact the narrative or the production. Accent failures are in-work.

Ascended Meme is something that affects in series so something fans did got put into the show. So it should probably stay.

• Fan Nickname Miwiki for Miyuki got said by Konota in the Lucky Star OA Vs

edited 25th Jan '11 12:50:45 PM by Raso

Looking over the list again... I think The Pete Best definitely belongs in Main, not Trivia. Admittedly, sometimes The Pete Best is gone before any actual Work is made, but a significant majority are of the sort that fans would or could have seen - e.g., "This guy was on the first season of the show, but lots of people have forgotten about him, since his replacement was more popular."

The Other Darrin too, for similar reasons.

Directed by Cast Member might be more of a stretch, but it's also "visible" to the audience - i.e., the audience knows Amanda Tapping is one of the stars of Stargate SG-1, so when an episode credit says "Directed by Amanda Tapping," they'll make the connection.

edited 25th Jan '11 1:35:30 PM by suedenim

The Other Darrin is probably the same thing since they were both in the work. The Other Marty on the other hand is pure trivia because he has to be gone and out of the released work, or at least in so little that he can't be told to be there if you dont' know.

I agree, The Other Marty is clearly Trivia.