During the investigation of recent hollers in the Complete Monster thread, it's become apparent to the staff that an insular, unfriendly culture has evolved in the Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard threads that is causing problems.
Specific issues include:
- Overzealous hollers on tropers who come into the threads without being familiar with all the rules and traditions of the tropes. And when they are familiar with said rules and traditions, they get accused (with little evidence) of being ban evaders.
- A few tropers in the thread habitually engage in snotty, impolite mini-modding. There are also regular complaints about excessive, offtopic "socializing" posts.
- Many many thread regulars barely post/edit anywhere else, making the threads look like they are divorced from the rest of TV Tropes.
- Following that, there are often complaints about the threads and their regulars violating wiki rules, such as on indexing, crosswicking, example context and example categorization. Some folks are working on resolving the issues, but...
- Often moderator action against thread regulars leads to a lot of participants suddenly showing up in the moderation threads to protest and speak on their behalf, like a clique.
It is not a super high level problem, but it has been going on for years and we cannot ignore it any longer. There will be a thread in Wiki Talk
to discuss the problem; in the meantime there is a moratorium on further Complete Monster and Magnificent Bastard example discussion until we have gotten this sorted out.
Update: The new threads have been made and can be found here:
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to everyone I missed").
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Who is the Candidate and What have they Done?
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Edited by GastonRabbit on Aug 31st 2023 at 4:14:10 AM
![[tup]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Thumbs_up_emoticon_3268.png "[thumb up]"){kind=small}
to everyone i’ve missed. Man I never expected an version of SLENDERMAN to count. Also, as for surprising C Ms, not sure if I know one, but it does lead me to an interesting question... Has Jim Carrey played an CM before? Crazy question I know, but I don’t think it’s impossible.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
The most surprising to me the time Bender voiced the Joker. And did a bang up job.
Edited by Bullman on Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:29:17 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Goku Black
The closest Carrey has had to a villainous role like tht is Film Count Olaf.
We shot him down for being a bit too.....uh goofy is the word.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
to Kifus.
I know it might be cliché to say this, but for me, one of the most surprising CM actors was Heath Ledger as the Joker.
Edited by ImperialMajestyXO on Apr 22nd 2019 at 7:36:35 AM
to Kifus.
Showtime!
Should Jack Slash be moved from Web Original to Literature M To Z? Worm is in the literature namespace, after all
Edited by Libraryseraph on Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:46:45 AM
Absolute destiny... apeachalypse?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
DiMaggio was also Faceless Hunter.
EDIT: ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
I think it's fine. Many Web Originals have the Lit namespace (The Neverkind Saga; NES Godzilla Creepypasta, etc.).
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:49:32 AM
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Goku Black
Well we have cm's by odd chocies for playing a villain in David Koechner, Paul Reubens (Pewee Herman himself) and Nick Jonas. So hey never understaimate someones acting ability.
Edit: Dimaggo is also Agrregor
Edited by miraculous on Apr 22nd 2019 at 7:50:36 AM
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Showtime!
Sorry, but do you mean it's fine to request a move, or fine to leave it where it is?
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Fine as is, I think anyway.
Who did Koechner play?
We also have Chris Hemsworth, Thor himself, in Bad Times at the El Royale.
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:56:27 AM
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Showtime!
Okay
Goku Black
I think it's not so much just Olaf being goofy since he has his very humourless moments, but that the world is so dumb that it all makes it hard to take him entirely seriously.
Like, his Paper-Thin Disguise is treated as the Running Gag it is and everything together just makes him a bit too silly to add.
But other than him? Uh... no one. He played the Riddler once, but not only is he maybe legit crazy with his worship of Bruce Wayne, he is also silly - hell, I think he puts Olaf to shame with his hamminess. He might have some other mitigating factors I've forgotten. And let's not forget his plan is fairly standard cartoon nonsense - not only does Mr Freeze and Poison Ivy outdo him but he has to compete with The Joker and let's not forget when the Penguin tried to kill all the first borns in Gotham.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
DeVito's Penguin too sympathetic despite that?
And don't get me started on what that movie did to Bane. He's a Genius Bruiser, a Magnificent Bastard even; not Dumb Muscle.
Edited by ACW on Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:29:20 AM
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Goku Black
He gets a somewhat touching send-off.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
@ACW
That wasn't the same movie as bane.
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Penguin is as sympathetic as Burton villains get: abandoned by his parents, loves his penguins etc etc.
I don't blame Shcumacher - he wanted to make more Lost Boys movies and when WB roped him into Batman, he wanted to make a Year One adaptation. Apparently his two Batman movies had more to do with meddling.
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
EDIT: Never mind.
Edited by falcontalons on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:52:06 AM
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Kylo: Penguin wasn't; Freeze and Ivy were though.
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Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
A minor note, but didn't Jim also have a villainous role in the Cable Guy?
Things are really about to get Fun around here
Edited by Beast on Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:17:55 AM
"It's like...a cliff, and if I do it, I'm just gonna...fall." "I think we're already falling."
Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression)
So... Anybody got a new EP on or rewrites?
"Making screw-ups and mistakes was I ever really good at. Because everything I touch went to hell."
Goku Black
Got Nuthin.
I already did Loki and Agrona who I've been sitttig for months.
Today has been slow.
"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Huh, I didn't even know there WERE Stargate novels.
And for most surprising, when you think about it, even though he's played a lot: Luke Skywalker becoming the Joker. Hell, Heath Ledger as the Joker too.
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