Subpages cleanup: Complete Monster

Hm okay.

@ACW Unfortunately, yes.

Okay. Having watched letsplay of "Scarface: The World Is Yours" i understand why the entry is so short and nothing elaborated upon. The reason is because "beating women to death and dumping their bodies to the sharks" stuff are example of "Offscreen Villainy".

Here's part of Let's Play where Sandman's ex-girlfriend tell about this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luBywdcWU7U (starts on 2:40)

And here's a mission where you meet him for first and only time - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYMb8o8VqVQ&t=77s

Aside from that you can attack one of his places where he runs drug operations and that's pretty much it. Considering that his only notible crime (beating and raping women then feeding them to the sharks) is "Offscreen Villainy" and his other actions are pretty generic for drug lord, can i suggest we cut him?

If it is entirely offscreen, I'm perfectly fine with cutting him.

Here's a de-potholed Bulba and the Gargoyles trio:

• Darkwing Duck: Taurus Bulba, Darkwing's smartest and most-feared adversary, is introduced serving a 99-year sentence at a high-security prison for several crimes, including the murder of Gosalyn's grandfather. Once he breaks out and destroys the prison he was contained in, Taurus schemes to activate the Waddlemeyer Ramrod in order to destroy buildings and rob banks. To gain the code, Taurus threatens to drop Gosalyn off a building if Darkwing didn't activate the Ramrod, remarking that she'd "make a nasty stain on the street". Once Darkwing activates the Ramrod in desperation, Taurus drops Gosalyn anyways for little reason at all, looking over it with a smug grin. After he was resurrected by F.O.W.L. as a cyborg, Taurus shows his gratitude by destroying their base and going to work on his own. With no comedic quirks and with no regard to who he hurt, Taurus Bulba was Darkwing's most feared adversary for a reason.
• Gargoyles, for the most part, has a well-deserved reputation for sympathetic and three-dimensional villains. There are, however, a few unrepentantly horrible ones:
  • Jackal is a sadistic and violent member of the Pack who gleefully participates in hunting the gargoyles for sport and abandons his humanity to become a cyborg killing machine, seeming only to take pleasure in violence and cruelty. While Jackal is often kept in check by his colleagues, season 2's "Grief" reveals what he is truly capable of. When the Egyptian god Anubis is captured by an Emir seeking to bring his dead son back to life, Jackal seizes power from the Jackal god and makes himself the god of death, torturing his enemies by aging them to the point they are almost too infirm to move and transforming his own teammates into children. Jackal proceeds to attempt to wipe out every living thing on the planet simply because he can, destroying an entire city before he is stopped.
  • Thailog is a clone of Goliath, created by Anton Sevarius on David Xanatos's orders. An Evil Genius whose only drive is his ambition to dominate, enrich himself, and control what he could, Thailog is introduced enacting a plan to steal $20 million from Xanatos, then trying to murder his three "fathers", by burning them alive. Later seducing Demona, Thailog attempted to trick her and Macbeth into killing one another so he could steal their fortunes and seize control of their assets for his own gain. Going on to clone the Manhattan clan as a prelude to killing them, Thailog betrays and tries to kill Demona when she stops him from killing her daughter, revealing that he had cloned Demona as well. Presumed dead for a time, Thailog later resurfaces, trying to force the clones to re-enter his service, then stabbing Goliath with a knife to collect his DNA and potentially murder him. Combining Goliath's brute strength with Xanatos's cunning and Sevarius's flair for the dramatic, Thailog stands out as one of the Manhattan clan's most malevolent foes a creature that even Xanatos regards as a monster.
  • Proteus of the New Olympians, from "The New Olympians" and "Seeing Isn't Believing", is a shape-shifting Serial Killer who was imprisoned after murdering the previous captain of the guard. He consistently assumes the form of his victim to mock the man's son Taurus. When he tricks his way to freedom, Proteus delights in sowing the seeds of chaos all through the city, using people's emotions against them with his powers for a sick thrill and trying to destroy his city and commit genocide on his own people.

Edited by ACW on Dec 7th 2018 at 12:45:00 PM

I regret not suggesting cutting El Gordo before. I’m glad someone else beat me to the punch.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Oct 29th 2019 at 9:40:12 AM

El Gordo

I'll file that cut tomorrow when I submit the Disney stuff.

to Stravos and General Warhawk.

@acw:

• Taurus Bulba has a weird error as a Parr of his entry reads as base]an
• For Thailog wouldn't Evil Doppelgänger work better than Evil Twin

Edited by miraculous on Dec 7th 2018 at 9:36:12 AM

Bulba should be fixed; I'm honestly not sure which one's more accurate for Thailog.

Does Thailog have moral agency?

Why wouldn’t he? The answer is yes, absolutely.

Yeah....

He was just created by combing DNA from Xanatos and Goliath. They don't have Agency issues. So why would he ?

I specifically remember one of Thailog's lines towards Goliath being "I decided to hate you too."

Also wasn't there a plot where the throws the other clones under the bus when they get a degenerative disease ? You'd think that might be important to add.

A little off topic but Percival C. McLeach has this under his character sheet.

• Villainous Valour: It should be noted that he fights a large pack of crocodiles in a quite fearless way. Granted that they retreat just because they were approaching a waterfall but even before that McLeach was strong enough to handle'em.

Unless I'm wrong, doesn't Villainous Valour count as a redeeming trait?

I wouldn't think so. It just doesn't make him a Dirty Coward.

He’s trapped in the water swarmed by crocodiles. He’s fighting them off because it’s literally all he can do to survive.

Yeah, that's hardly redeeming (by hardly, I mean definitely not actually). If anything, I would have been mad at the crocodiles if they'd successfully denied us McLeach's glorious drop off the waterfall that he 100% deserved.

@ACW You doing this week's batch tomorrow?

Also, does Big Boy Caprice from Dick Tracy not count because of heinousness, he's too standard or is he too Laughably Evil?

If a vote is kind of split down the middle but never resolved, that mean discussion can be reopened?

Yeah, that's not even a question.

Edited by futuremoviewriter on Dec 7th 2018 at 10:22:12 AM

Not being a Dirty Coward, while it MIGHT make the villain less pathetic it dosent count as much of a redeeming factor.

For example Amon Goeth famously(like in real life) chose to Face Death with Dignity. But Is ANYONE gonna say HE should he cut?

I don't think being Defiant to the End like that would count as a redeeming quality. It simply means a bad guy is confident enough in their own abilities and ad fine with going out on there own terms.

Then I guess it just stops a villain from being a complete Hate Sink.

Future: Nah, this week's regular batch goes Monday; the Disney de-potholes go tomorrow (I usually do the de-potholes separately).

Here's something else I want to know: which mindset to you dislike more?

• I hate this character; therefore, (s)he must be a Complete Monster.
• I love this character; therefore, (s)he is not a Complete Monster.

Former. By far. Speaking from experience, it's caused a lot more strife.

I honestly think that Villainous Valour can actually sometimes make a Monster even worse.

The less cowardly a villain is, the more likely they are to be willing to do unspeakable evil, even if it hurts them.

I see both sides as annoying.

I do like the character of 154, but, I only thought he was worth effortposting because of his high body count and lack of empathy. That said, I don't think he is worth bringing up again as a candidate, as he was already downvoted.

Edited by SkyCat32 on Dec 7th 2018 at 1:53:50 PM