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Well, I don't watch many dark drama series', so I don't know much about the heinous standard of that genre. I guess cut him after all

Cut Lyndon and any opinions regarding Gemini rewrite here:

• Original: Gemini, from the first game, is a wicked FM-ian who despises all other forms of life, both organic and EM-based. A destruction-loving sadist and advisor to King Cepheus, he took advantage of the king’s paranoia by convincing him to destroy Planet AM, their neighboring world. When they discover Omega-Xis stole the key to activating Andromeda, their planet-destroying superweapon, to Earth, Gemini was among the FM-ians sent to reclaim it, secretly plotting to destroy Earth and take down Cepheus. He finds a compatible human in Patrick Sprigs, a boy abandoned as a baby who suffers from a violent split personality named "Rey." He takes advantage of this, manipulating Pat’s feelings and other half, convincing him to destroy humanity by merging with him to form Gemini Spark and use Andromeda themselves while using their powers to make humans attack each other. When one of his allies, Queen Ophiuca, is defeated by Mega Man and begs him for help, Gemini responds by killing her on the spot. He’s eventually defeated, but his manipulations of Pat and Geo convince the latter to abandon everyone in his life for a time. He’s later revived when Cepheus decides to use Andromeda, putting Gemini in charge of stopping Mega Man. He attempts to destroy the machinery needed to help Mega Man reach Cepheus, suggesting he’s fine getting himself killed to destroy the Earth. Upon his defeat, he asks Cepheus to destroy the planet to avenge him. Loyal only to himself and his love of destruction, Gemini is Star Force’s poster child for Aliens Are Bastards.

• Rewrite: Gemini, from the first game, is a wicked FM-ian who despises all other forms of life. A treacherous advisor to King Cepheus who secretly plotting to take him down and destroy the Earth, he then took advantage of the king’s paranoia by convincing him to destroy Planet AM. When they discover Omega-Xis stole the key to activating the FM-Ian superweapon Andromeda, Gemini was among the FM-ians sent to reclaim it. To this end, he manipulate a boy with a split personality, Patrick Springs, by merging with him while using their powers to make humans attack each other. When one of his allies, Queen Ophiuca, is defeated by Mega Man and begs him for help, Gemini responds by killing her on the spot. After he got revived when Cepheus decides to use Andromeda, he attempts to destroy the machinery needed to help Mega Man reach Cepheus, suggesting he’s fine getting himself killed to destroy the Earth. Upon his defeat, he asks Cepheus to destroy the planet to avenge him. Loyal only to himself and his love of destruction, Gemini is Star Force’s poster child for Aliens Are Bastards.

If Scraggle or Fried are the person who was originally writing the entry. I'm fine with leaving it as it is unless if they want to trim Gemini ofc.

You know, I hadn't thought of that, but you may have a point (though I don't know if I'd include Scream with the others).

Looks good to me, though I don't know the game that well.

And, with a thanks to Lighty for looking over it, here's Merva:

• "The Messiah", Benjamin David Merva, born David James Merva, from the season finale "Believer" and the season 14 premiere "300", is possibly the most prolific serial killer ever faced by the BAU. Merva, aka "the Strangler", a survivor of the Liberty Ranch hostage crisis, eventually founded the Believers. The Believers kidnap people from all over the country—protector types according to the BAU—and Merva kills them, giving the hyoid bones to the Believers. Just as 300 angels protected the Garden of Eden, Merva aims to collect 300 hyoid bones. He has killed 299 people so far, and plans to make Spencer Reid the 300th victim.

Edited by ACW on Oct 20th 2018 at 1:39:56 PM

Here's the pic of knull

Thank you. So:

• Knull◊ from Donny Cates' Venom.

@Beast, Yes. Like I said Monty is my go to example. Very, very nasty Hate Sink with several heinous acts on his rapsheet, yet still didn't count. Dramas made for teens typically have a high heinous standard in general since they aren't bound to a PG rating and can tackle controversal matters that most adult shows can.

Raio and Joko

Okay, about Monty, I think it should be taken into account that his resources are lower. Bryce is charismatic, wealthy, manipulative, and steals all the spotlight. Monty, on the other hand, comes from a poor environment, is presented as Obviously Evil, and didn't have a lot of screentime leading up to his reveal. He is on a different tier, and he does enough in his own way. Plus, Bryce doesn't do anything other than raping girls (he definitely still qualifies, because, well, rape is not cool). Monty's rap sheet is so long that I flat-out can't even remember some of his crimes. Battery, attempted murder, assault, sexual harassment... and these are just on the top of my head.

Edited by Looperreallyreallyrocks on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:33:22 PM

There both high school student Jerk Jocks. Whats the big difference in resources your talking about ?

Edit: Delted since that was out of line by accident and I apologise.

Edited by miraculous on Oct 20th 2018 at 12:51:12 PM

Um, Monty comes from an extremely poor and abusive environment (this doesn't excuse any of his actions, though). Bryce, on the other side, is so rich and wealthy that he can easily get away with his crimes (just watch the ending of season 2). Also, Bryce is MUCH better at manipulation. Name ONE moment where you were convinced that Monty is a nice (or at least decent) person. Before the ending of season 1, I actually had a feeling that Bryce really isn't that bad. So overall, Monty simply just doesn't have enough resources.

Edited by Looperreallyreallyrocks on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:40:37 PM

Writeup and a rewrite for Novel!Asakura with additional information.

• Kamen Rider Kuuga novel, written by Naruhisa Arakawa: Go-Raio-Da, the Lion Gurongi is the most successful player of the Gegeru, possessing the highest number of intended victims: 1,600,000. Posing as a young amnesiac, Raio was adopted by an important figure in Japan and quickly became a beloved politician, using his connections to invent a drink called Lionel, tainting it with his own secretions, which he could telephatically control to damage the human brain. Disposing of his foster father as a way to increase the sales of Lionel across the country, Raio had over a thousand people killed in his "little side-show", gleefully mocking an airplane pilot who had plunged into a building.
• Kamen Rider Ryuki novel, written by Toshiki Inoue: Takeshi Asakura/Kamen Keiyakusha Ouja is even more depraved than his original counterpart. Killing his mother when he was still an infant, Asakura graduated into a Serial Killer by the age of six, killing two other children specifically on their birthdays and two counselors. Living in a homeless colony where he was idolized by the people, Asakura repeatedly stabbed the village's elder in the head and committed a killing spree targeting those who loved him, mutilating a man even after the latter had hugged him. While hiding, Asakura attacked a group of children with an ax and hung the bodies of five police officers from tree branches. Arrested for killing countless victims, two of which were Miho's parents, Asakura accepted the offer of becoming a Contractor merely because it gave him an opportunity to torment people without having to worry about consequences, going as far as to remove Raia's intestines. After barricading himself inside a convenience store, Asakura brutally murdered the staff members and customers, dismembering their bodies afterwards. Destroying lives simply because people smelled horrible to him, Asakura was a heartless savage who wished to fight for eternity.

Okay, just... No. Just no. We can't go "Monty only committed one rape and one attempted murder." First of, Monty actually committed two attempted murders, one of which he attempted to force Alex (who recently survived a SUICIDE ATTEMPT) to kill himself. That was beyond cruel. It was unimaginable. I can't believe Monty would actually try to kill Alex in such a personal way. The only reason he didn't go further is because he doesn't have supernatural abilities. If he had Kilgrave resources, I honestly can't imagine what he would have done in that scene. And the way he beat up, suffocated, and assaulted Tyler could have easily killed him. The way he beat Clay up also could have killed him (internal bleeding, loss of blood, etc.) But he clearly didn't care and possibly even enjoyed the idea of it. I'm sorry, but Monty's rap sheet stretches over a mile long. Several of his other crimes can qualify as ME Hs. This "single rape" argument shows just how overrated a scene with a broomstick and bathroom can become. Enough to override his other crimes.

This reminds me of a scenario where a guy decides to commit mass genocide, torture children, burn down schools and orphanages etc. But in the climax of the story, he commits a gruesome rape. Immediately, people start saying that he's not heinous enough because he only committed one rape, and a single rape isn't nearly enough to make him qualify.

Edited by Looperreallyreallyrocks on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:53:15 PM

I'm with Mir here, i really don't see the BIG difference in resources that you're talking about. Furthermore, it has been already decided that Monty doesn't count.

Edited by TheMadCr0w on Oct 20th 2018 at 5:02:31 AM

LOL, I like how I never mentioned the words "big difference." I literally just said that Monty's resources are a step lower. That's all.

Not quite sure where the "if he had supernatural powers" argument is coming from, since it's irrelevant to the setting of the show and it's been a while since we debated Monty but IIRC what made Bryce stand out was his position as the ring leader encouraging the behaviour amongst the others and while Monty might be a bit nastier than his other minions, he doesn't quite stand out enough. Also, the resources difference doesn't sound like the show plays their class differences for all it can be and manipulative skills or no, they both seem like dickish teenagers, Bryce is worse.

Dial it back, man.

Edited by 43110 on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:01:46 AM

Monty is pretty much just an above average, slighlty nastier goon of bryce's. Thats about it.

Also where is this if he had supernatural powers argument coming from. He doesnt, he's not going to get any and it doesnt matter for the setting.

I'm just sayin'. Monty attempted to force Alex to kill himself. I'm just sayin' that if Monty had supernatural resources, he most likely would have done something MUCH worse. Also, "he doesn't stand out enough." People say that he's worse than Bryce...

EDIT: To be more specific, people like to downplay his attempt to kill Alex. Nowadays, all people are willing to talk about is the rape scene. So I would just like to point out that Monty obviously intended to do more. He made a worthy attempt to kill Alex in a disturbingly personal way. To see where I got the "supernatural ability" argument from, read this discussion. Someone mentioned that at some point.

Edited by Looperreallyreallyrocks on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:10:27 AM

Kuuga dude goes to the beginning of the Literature section?

Also, I'd be SHOCKED if the Ultra Series didn't have more candidates. It's been around since the 60s, and the first candidate is from 2004.

Yup.

if he had supernatural resoucres

Well he isnt going to get any, so why are you saying if he did and speculating like that.

LOL! Speculating! 😂😂😂

Okay, sarcasm aside, I honestly find it hard to explain at this point. My main point is that his attempt to kill Alex should definitely also be highlighted. That attempted murder was just pure cruelty. Plus, I gave you the link, so...

"He isn't going to get any?" That's exactly what I'm talking about. He could have done more if he had more resources.

Edited by Looperreallyreallyrocks on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:20:13 AM

The Dark Horse Comics incarnation of Syndrome listed as a CM on Monster.Comic Books I To Z, but the entry fails to explain how he's more heinous than his movie incarnation, which is on the "never again" list for being "insufficiently heinous".

Also, for what I think is the fifth or sixth time, I have some minor changes to propose on Junko Enoshima's entry that the discussion kept forgetting about. It's mostly the same, just with a few more potholes, explaining what she blackmailed Juzo about, and clarifying that she didn't personally lobotomize Chisa. I also took 43100's suggestion to include a sentence about the AI she created, even if it's not an example due to lack of agency:

• Junko Enoshima is the despair-obsessed teenager who desired nothing less than the destruction of hope. Superior analytic abilities led to her growing intolerantly bored with life, so she devoted herself to hedonistic despair. Forcing the student council into a brutal killing game, she used the aftermath of that tragedy to brainwash the entire reserve course student body using the talents of a coerced Ryota Mitarai. She kidnaps the goodhearted teacher Chisa Yukizome and has her lobotomized into becoming her servant before converting the 77th class into Ultimate Despair by executing the beloved Chiaki Nanami. She humiliates and blackmails Juzo Sakakura, the head of Hope's Peak Academy security, over his love for his (male and presumably straight) best friend to escape punishment and traumatizes Ryota by thanking him for helping cause the world's end. After she kills her lover, she commands the reserve students to commit murder-suicides of nearly every Hope's Peak Academy student. She erases the memory of her classmates and manipulates them into betraying and murdering each other to escape a situation they placed themselves into to completely destroy hope. When discovered, she brags about killing her own sister to excite herself and almost succeeds in throwing the survivors into despair until Makoto Naegi rebukes her. Rejecting offers to turn back, she executes herself to revel in the despair of her own death. She also creates an Artificial Intelligence in her likeness to continue tormenting her classmates in the name of the despair she sought. Extreme sadomasochism and a ruthless intelligence define Junko; and, in the end, friends, family, love, and even life itself were sacrifices to satiate her boredom.

Edited by rjd1922 on Oct 20th 2018 at 3:18:31 AM

43, mind seeing if that Junko entry can be trimmed (also, the consecutive potholes for her name are a no-no)?

For Syndrome, it was decided his comic version did JUST enough, what with targeting innocents.

Alright, ignoring the borderline hostile attitude claiming we're downplaying Monty's crimes I thank you for the introduction of a new topic, rjd and ACW and I'd be happy to take a stab at truncating the awesome insanity that is Junko Enoshima.

I think so, she's got crimes in both mediums and it was the anime that ultimately proved she was lucid enough to know what's up.

Edited by 43110 on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:27:41 AM

BTW, speaking of Junko, I assume it's fine having her on both the Visual Novels page and the AniManga page?

Cool.

BTW, I just submitted that image and requested the PLL cut so I don't forget.

Edited by ACW on Oct 20th 2018 at 4:29:51 AM