Character-Specific Pages (CSPs) are created when individual characters have so many trope examples that they can't reasonably be included on a shared page.
The Administrivia Character-Specific Pages policy details the rules that apply to these pages. All Character-Specific Pages must also follow the basic How to Create a Character Page policy, as well as the wiki's more general policies about spoilers and examples.
This cleanup thread handles the following tasks:
- Reviewing and approving new CSP proposals. All new potential CSPs must be reviewed and, if necessary, cleaned up before they're created.
- Agreeing on page names for new CSPs.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a new CSP is created.
- Reviewing existing CSPs if there's a concern that they need cleanup, or if it's believed that the character may no longer qualify for a page.
- Merging existing CSPs into other character pages when necessary.
- Ensuring that wicks are updated when a CSP is removed/merged.
- Creating, updating and cutting redirects, as necessary, to reflect these splits and merges.
Crowners are not normally required but, where appropriate, can be used to formalise decisions on any of these points.
If a character no longer qualifies for a CSP, it's often more practical to turn the CSP into a redirect than to cut the page entirely. This keeps the page history visible to users, and also helps to steer offsite 'inbound' traffic (search engine results) to the right place. With that in mind, cut requests for CSPs may be declined and referred to this thread if they don't have a clear consensus.
Comments linking back to this thread can be added to CSPs when needed - e.g. to confirm their creation was approved, to warn tropers that a cleanup is in progress, or to note the date and outcome of a more recent review.
We also have some more general threads for character page help -
- Character Page Cleanup
: for trope misuse, zero-context examples, spoiler tagging issues etc.
- Are these character tropes?: for queries about whether particular tropes belong on a character page or on the work's page.
This is not a policy discussion thread, it's a cleanup thread — any requests for policy changes need to be raised in Wiki Talk.
Mod update 07 Mar 2024, reflecting new CSP policy, updated again 22 Mar 2024 to mention redirects for removed CSPs
- Other options must have been tried first, like splitting pages into further groups.
- The character's folder is cleaned up beforehand, fixing any Zero-Context Examples and Wall of Text entries and removing any outdated, misused, or non-character tropes.
- A character's folder is at least 6,000 words/40,000 characters (with spaces). Here is a byte counter.note
- The current character page bypasses technical limitations and requires a split up.
- A single character takes up the majority of a page or is disproportionately bigger than other folders.
Splitting a character into their own page is a major change and needs to be run by the community before it is enacted. Even if you believe a character meets these requirements, they should be run through this thread first. Having other tropers take a look can help spot issues you may not notice or believe to be issues.
Per How to Create a Character Page, character-specific pages should only include tropes that describe the character. These tropes should fall under Characterization Tropes or one of its related indexes, unless they're recurring character traits (distinctive things that the character does repeatedly). If you're unsure what counts as a character trope, you can ask the Are these Character Tropes? thread.
If you have concerns with a general character page, they have their own separate cleanup thread, as do the self-demonstrating character pages.
Edited by Mrph1 on Mar 22nd 2024 at 10:22:03 AM
The Formatter
Regarding the Marvel Comics Section of the Comic Book Character-Specific Pages I have created a list of characters that need to be dealt with. I don't want to copy and paste it so see here. Thanks.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
The Maker can be merged fairly easily.
Shall I merge the Lich back with the other Adventure Time villains?
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Lies and Violence!
How do you cutlist a redirect? Beerus from Dragon Ball looks good to have his own page at 102,760 bytes, but trying to make Dragon Ball: Beerus just brought me to Dragon Ball Universe 7.
The Moron
You just put the redirect into the Cut List like you would any other article - just make sure you list the purpose, cause if the redirect has a high inbound count it might not get cut
You don't need to do that. Just click to edit a page, then change the address bar to get the page you want.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Okay made Ben 10: Ben Tennyson. It's 45,805 bytes and the Ben 10: Main Characters page is long enough without him (67,596 bytes).
Also did all the Avatar and Korra ones.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2021 at 12:56:54 PM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Lies and Violence!
Looked at DCEU pages:
- DCEU: Aquaman is short at 33,072.
- DCEU: The Flash is at 25,418
- DCEU: Cyborg is at 20,794
- DCEU: Harley Quinn is 31,913
- DCEU: Steppenwolf is 39,849 (personally, for already existing pages only at 39k I'm willing to give leniency)
For the MCU:
- MCU: Drax the Destroyer is at 34,945
- MCU: Iron Fist at 37,634
, please let me know if there any problems/inaccuracies with it I should know about).
The Moron
I’m cool with Steppenwolf staying because that covers both versions of him at once (and with how different they are, it actually is warranted), the rest can be merged
Edit: actually, I might say keep Harley for now, just cause she’s about to headline another movie and it might push her over the line. If she doesn’t breach it then, I’m down for merging
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 25th 2021 at 2:59:17 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Keep Steppenwolf and Harley merge everything else.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Lies and Violence!
Keep Harley because The Suicide Squad is coming up soon?
The Moron
Yeah, if she’s already at 30k from two movies, the third could push her over 40. If she doesn’t get there after that, we can merge her in, but doing it now might be too preemptive if it needs resetting.
Question: If a user's thinking about creating a page solely dedicated to a major character, how would the user know if the page is long enough or has enough bytes?
Hello, I'm the American Cinema Critic, I remember because the majors don't.
The Moron
I’d make a sandbox for the page, get it to a publishable state, then count the bytes of the sandbox. If it’s long enough, then it can get its own page, and if not it can go with others.
Also, a question for everyone - when you’re counting bytes, are you counting the source text (and thus counting potholes in the byte count) or just the text we see on the page (so potholes don’t add extra bytes)?
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 25th 2021 at 3:15:24 PM
Lies and Violence!
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I copy and paste everything from Page Source — so, the former.
Taking a quick look at MCU pages who could have their own pages:
- Leopold Fitz at goddamn 73,675
- Jemma Simmons at 40,182
- Ulysses Klaue at 41,776 (either keep him where he is or Cut List MCU Ulysses Klaues Organization. Personally, the latter seems unnecessarily complicated)
- The Infinity Stones at 45,546
Edited by EmeraldEmperor on Jul 25th 2021 at 12:31:24 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
Wait how do Fitz and Simmons not already have a page? How many people are connected to Klaue's organization to justify it being a page. I don't know about giving the Infinity Stones a page as they aren't really character.
Don't forget to add you byte counts here.
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Lies and Violence!
Klaue only has two other character folders on the page, he can stay where he is.
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I say both Fitz and Simmons can probably get their own pages or a shared one. I will let you decide there.
Edited by Bullman on Jul 25th 2021 at 3:19:11 AM
Fan-Preferred Couple cleanup thread
Infinity Stones are not really a character but they have a lot of franchise-wide tropes associated with them, so for a lack of better namespace I'd create a "character" page for them.
Ideally, these tropes should be on the franchise page, but it is long enough so the contents needs to be moved somewhere.
PS Some franchises with long character pages to check:
- Game of Thrones (I think, a lot of characters can be split off for this one)
- Mass Effect
- Dragon Age (same, I think a lot of characters need to be split off)
- Warcraft (same)
Anyone has time for it?
Edited by Asherinka on Jul 25th 2021 at 6:06:07 PM
I'll start checking Dragon Age.
TLDR: I found 11 (12?) pages to split off and 3 pages to be merged so far. Anyone wants to help with that? Also, half of the pages are to be checked yet.
Dragon Age – Recurring Party Members: Part One:
- Alistair - 7498 words, 42 781 symbols => split off
- Morrigan - 7962 words, 46 044 symbols => split off
- Leliana - 8177 words, 48 076 symbols => split off
- Zevran - 6754 words, 38 378 symbols - ok
- Loghain - 7837 words, 45 666 symbols => split off
- Isabela - 5130 words, 29 580 symbols - ok
Dragon Age – Recurring Party Members: Part Two:
- Anders - 10376 words, 59 151 symbols => split off (together with Justice, his alter ego)
- Justice - 1771 words, 10 700 symbols - Anders' Superpowered Evil Side, move to Anders' page
- Varric - 12560 words, 73 349 symbols => split off
- Cassandra - 9257 words, 54 596 symbols => split off
- and cut the page, there is nothing to keep on it
Dragon Age – Recurring Non-Playable Characters:
- Flemeth - 5255 words, 30 422 symbols - ok
- Cullen - 8313 words, 48 338 symbols => split off
- Corypheus - 5993 words, 34 235 symbols - ok
- Bodahn & Sandal - 1802 words, 10 759 symbols - ok
Dragon Age: Origins – Playable Characters – The Warden: 1 character, 16 488 words, 95 303 symbols - ok
Dragon Age: Origins – Playable Characters – The Companions:
- Dog - 1820 words, 10 615 symbols - ok
- Oghren - 2719 words, 15 434 symbols - ok
- Shale - 2823 words, 16 291 symbols - ok
- Sten - 4238 words, 24 020 symbols - ok
- Wynne - 2809 words, 15 951 symbols - ok
Dragon Age: Origins – Non-Playable Characters - Grey Wardens: 5 characters, 3189 words, 18 553 symbols - the page needs to be merged with Dragon Age II – Non-Playable Characters
Dragon Age: Origins – Non-Playable Characters - Fereldan Nobles: many characters, 18 079 words, 105 431 symbols, none of the characters has more than 25k symbols - ok
Dragon Age: Origins – Non-Playable Characters - Orzammar: many characters, 8114 words, 47760 symbols - ok
Dragon Age II – Non-Playable Characters: many characters, 17 568 words, 103 129 symbols, all character entries are short - ok
Dragon Age: Origins – Awakening: many characters, 9 498 words, 56 178 symbols - ok
Dragon Age: Origins – DLC Characters: many characters, 2 742 words, 16 926 symbols - the page needs to be merged
- Hawke - 10 982 words, 64 351 symbols => split off
- other 7 characters - 16 372 words, 93 324 symbols, none of the characters has more than 25k symbols - ok
- Merrill - 7 649 words, 44 445 symbols => split off
- Aveline - 4 920 words, 28 572 symbols - ok
- Dog - 782 words, 4 588 symbols - ok
- Fenris - 8 811 words, 50 695 symbols => split off
- Sebastian - 3 417 words, 19 814 symbols - ok
Dragon Age II – Non-Playable Characters: many characters, 28 811 words, 169 924 symbols, none of the characters has more than 25k symbols - ok, but I would split it into two parts (humans and non-humans or something)
Dragon Age II – Post-Release Characters: many characters, 4538 words, 26 442 symbols - too short, I'd move Talis to Dragon Age II – Companions and the rest to Dragon Age II – Non-Playable Characters
Ok, I got bored, I'll check the rest later 
Edited by Asherinka on Jul 25th 2021 at 6:03:19 PM
"Cool. Coolcoolcool."
I mean you do have a point. I guess we could make a character page for the Stones.
Unofficial Wiki Curator for Complete Monster
Manga Brainrot 🦋
- Amphibia: Marcy Wu (37,293 bytes)
- Merged with Amphibia: Newtopia
- Big City Greens Cricket Green (19,785 bytes)
- Merged with Big City Greens Green Family
Edited by KhunRun on Jul 26th 2021 at 4:47:04 AM
she/her
Lies and Violence!
So I should split the Stones onto their own page? Just clarifying, not sure if there's a real consensus.
The Moron
I don’t think they should be their own page, just that they can be troped as characters
Edited by STARCRUSHER99 on Jul 26th 2021 at 10:23:40 AM
I reiterate this post
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And I added Jack Bauer to the merged pages affecting CM and MB stuff.
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